How is this legal??

[Slattery_20]

Can those guys please go through the ICC line by line & de-bug it
The game is run by opportunists who have NO care for the game beyond money & winning. Changing the simple rule regarding bowling was a farce to allow a successful chucker to play the game & will matches for his team. That was the start of the obvious lack of integrity at the ICC & that, as well as the betting problem, will end up killing the game.

Amen to that.

It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of this Woolf report. Somehow I doubt it.

 

[The Passenger]

fair enough re; y2k. it's not something i've ever looked in great detail into but i remember in year 12 (2002) our software design teacher wasn't a particularly fan of the processed involved.

anyway, whatever, the point remains re; UWA and the the testing process, that there are plenty of people in the scientific field who are happy to produce results that suit the people funding things.

 

[XFactor1979]

Theres a news article at long last about this so-called "bowling" action of his

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/pakistan-clarifies-ajmal-bowling-confusion-20120208-1r97g.html

a bit of confusion has reigned

Personally my point of view:

If your arm was ****ed by an accident and you cant straighten it, you shouldnt be playing cricket

Just like me, if I worked and I filed for Workers Compensation 20 times, Im probably never going to get work ever again, not even after the FIRST instance.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

^^^^^^^^^^

Ajmal said: "Someone is telling me my action is bad because the ICC allowed me as a bowler 23.5 degrees, because my arm is not good.

What a load of frogshit.

 

[madmug]

^^^^^^^^^^

Ajmal said: "Someone is telling me my action is bad because the ICC allowed me as a bowler 23.5 degrees, because my arm is not good.

What a load of frogshit.

Who at the ICC? Do they think we are that stupid? He is a bloody chucker & that is that, 15 or 23.5

 

[Simple Jack]

Who at the ICC? Do they think we are that stupid? He is a bloody chucker & that is that, 15 or 23.5

Or 50-60

 

[YOTC]

I love how angry you are all getting about this. Maybe England should have focussed on picking spin rather than worrying about how bent and then how straight his arm was.

 

[PrideOf]

I love how angry you are all getting about this. Maybe England should have focussed on picking spin rather than worrying about how bent and then how straight his arm was.

What a cartload of horseshit. Just say we open the bowling in the next one-dayer with a baseball pitcher. Then we say 'India just need to be better at handling pace'.

Sound fair?

 

[Jimthegreat]

If your arm was ****ed by an accident and you cant straighten it, you shouldnt be playing cricket

That's the problem, he is straightening it making it a throw. Just being bent isn't the problem.

 

[ManWithNoName]

8 degrees is the difference between wicket taking brilliance and mediocrity?

Yeah, nah.

 

[Tiff]

8 degrees is the difference between wicket taking brilliance and mediocrity?

Yeah, nah.

That's all it takes to get an advantage of turn and variation, that say someone with a very traditional action like Lyon could never produce.

 

[Simple Jack]

8 degrees is the difference between wicket taking brilliance and mediocrity?

Yeah, nah.

I'm not sure if you mean 'it's only 8 degrees so it wouldn't make that much difference' or 'it's not even close to 8 degrees'

If the former, you can't be serious, if the latter, yeah, it's ridiculous.

 

[Radical Roo]

Anyone see during the Sydney Test, they had those young quick bowlers on the speed gun during the lunch break?

At least one of them came very close to throwing it.

The ICC have legitimised it, allow Murali's career to stand, I don't care, but change the laws now, before every spin bowler is a chucker.

Errr dude ave u ever tried bowling spin by throwing it, try bowling leg spin with a throwing action, do it then tell me.

 

[Radical Roo]

I'm not entirely sure what you just said. Can you speak English?

sorry man, i was to say, its much harder to bowl when u throw the ball. For legspin, throwing simply doesn't work (y? cos i bowl leggie), the only instance when throwing is useful is when u bowl fast to get extra yard.

So for someone like ajamal, throwing actually hinders him and he still destroys the poms. Some thinking to do for england time.

 

[Tiff]

Errr dude ave u ever tried bowling spin by throwing it, try bowling leg spin with a throwing action, do it then tell me.

How many leg spin bowlers have been referred??

A bent slinging arm is perfect for maximum spin for a off spin bowler.

Wrist, fingers. Difference.

 

[YOTC]

What a cartload of horseshit. Just say we open the bowling in the next one-dayer with a baseball pitcher. Then we say 'India just need to be better at handling pace'.

Sound fair?

You are implying all these 'chuckers' are unplayable. They are no harder than Warne.

 

[The Passenger]

sorry man, i was to say, its much harder to bowl when u throw the ball. For legspin, throwing simply doesn't work (y? cos i bowl leggie), the only instance when throwing is useful is when u bowl fast to get extra yard.

So for someone like ajamal, throwing actually hinders him and he still destroys the poms. Some thinking to do for england time.

what are you talking about??

1) i agree it's nearly impossible to throw a leg spinner without cause massive jarring in your elbow

but

2) ajmal bowls off spin

3) throwing off spinners allows you to gain more control, accuracy and turn.

 

[Simple Jack]

4) Is the only way to get enough forward momentum on the ball when bowling it out the back of your hand as required to bowl a 'doosra'.

 

[Radical Roo]

what are you talking about??

1) i agree it's nearly impossible to throw a leg spinner without cause massive jarring in your elbow

but

2) ajmal bowls off spin

3) throwing off spinners allows you to gain more control, accuracy and turn.

Yes you do get more turn but as an off spinner the major weapon is flight and loop, as a spinner in general, how much u spin seems important but its the flight and loop that gets the batsmen then spin factor comes in. Even if u can rip big time, at elite level you are not going to be bowling people around the leg or from wide of off stump. Also massive spin wont get u lbw as much.

 

[Radical Roo]

4) Is the only way to get enough forward momentum on the ball when bowling it out the back of your hand as required to bowl a 'doosra'.

Yeh for the doosra the ball come out the the hand with inner palm facing the bowler. You use index finger to roll the ball out with the seam facing slips. Much like googly cept with a googly it come out with the outter palm facing left with ball rolling out with the ring finger with the seam pointing towards the imaginary leg slip.

 

[The Passenger]

and throwing gives you more control of your flight. you can get more rotations on the ball which means more dip.

but that's regardless. anyone that thinks the ball 45 seconds into this clip is not a throw has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

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that's should not even be debatable. that varation ball is a throw. the rest of his deliveries are dubious enough as to whether they would be within 15 degrees. i mean it's pretty hard to tell out of the naked eye. but that variation ball isn't. that is a throw.

 

[Radical Roo]

He is not banned in anyways is he, so he is legit. We should celebrate ajmal and to a large extent the pakistani success. Stop carrying your typical western cynicism and tall poppy symptom when other teams achieve something. Ajmal is a premier spinner along wit swann, that's a fact. Indians are in charge of icc and they look after subcontinent team that's a fact. Ajmal's action is perfectly legal, that's a fact. If chucking is better for bowling, wouldn't everyone would be throwing the ball?

 

[The Passenger]

he's never been tested with the teesra as far as i know. i'm pretty sure this is the first serie he has bowled it.

and why bring race into. ****ing redicolous and pretty insulting thing to say. being a net forum i won't be losing any sleep over it, so don't think you're anything special... but if this was a pub environment and you said that to someone you'd be belted six ways to sunday.

plenty of posts from me talking about the need to diversfy the game and for the ICC to develop the games outside of the test sphere. and in any case have you read anything about abdur rehman?? no. where is the "western cynicism" there mate.

and where is my "western cynicism" when i've called out johan botha for being a thrower. and aaron bird many years ago (don't know if it was posted on here) but he was a hot prospect for australia about 10 years ago but was a blatant thrower and got wasn't allowed to play for a period until it was corrected...

 

[Radical Roo]

firstly botha and bird r not good enough bowlers, 2nd whenever someone from non anglo sphere, who does well the media and commentators start circulating the throwing accusations. Murali, akhtar and this ajamal r 3 that comes off the top of my head. Y, cos they r successful and a lot of the none sub continental teams (i.e. mainly eng and aus) still possesses the colonial era of superior attitude of how dare these team beat us mentality and you get this tall poppy syndrome. We should be all praising ajmal for his MOS award. For all those people questioning his technique, y don't u all go and throw the cricket in ur next games and see how much better u get

 

[The Speaker]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/current/story/552579.html