Society/Culture How long can the developed world stay in business lock down?

[knife]

Realistically I think 5-6 weeks would be the limit for most and the pressure will start building to go back to normal. I've argued we should have started much earlier and be stronger from the beginning, rather than a drip of more restrictions, and I think that decision will extend the time it might have otherwise taken.

We have to be all over the people getting repatriated to Australia over the next few weeks. They need much more stick to enforce the 14 day stay at home rules for those coming from overseas. I'd like to see them escorted home in some sort of government vehicle/buses rather than getting taxis/public transport.

No exceptions, anyone returning who goes shopping or goes out before their quarantine is up, could make all these sacrifices we're making be in vain. We need heavy punishments enforced for anyone breaking those rules, because it only takes on person with a hidden infection to waste all this costly effort. I do think a jail term must be floated to those returning, to understand the severity of the situation.

After 4-5 weeks, the pressure will be on. I'm hoping they'll have more testing going to to isolate particular hotspots in certain suburbs or areas, where infections may still be a problem, and lock them down for an extended period if anything is identified. Hopefully this will allow other parts of the country to begin opening up and slowly return to normal while keeping some isolated areas in lockdown.

I'm also hopeful that some clinical trials will finish during this time for some candidate treatments. Hopefully there is something in those trials that can be used to help mitigate infections.

 

[douglyzia]

The lives of those who are at risk from COVID-19 are worth more than those who will commit suicide from depression (due to losing their jobs, businesses, etc.)! Deal with it!

Yes, if you are a druggie or a chain smoker with dodgy lungs or ****ed up your life with a shitty unhealthy lifestyle, your life is worth more than someone who has worked hard to stay fit and healthy, and now the latter must sacrifice their lives to save you!

 

[Toump Ass]

The lives of those who are at risk from COVID-19 are worth more than those who will commit suicide from depression (due to losing their jobs, businesses, etc.)! Deal with it!

LOL this hysterical bullshit again.

Do you really think your local coffee shop closing for 8 weeks is going to cause mass suicides? Nonsense.

And for the record: I take drugs, chain-smoked my whole life. Haven't touched a vegetable for as long as I can remember, I don't even know what one looks like tbh.

... but I can survive on $1000 from Centrelink, and if you're incapable of doing that and need to buy a noose because you lost your award wages job at the local fish and chip shop, too bad.

 

[Toump Ass]

Making fun of overweight people is a fantastic way to demonstrate your sincerity around the mental health issues caused by the economic collapse that isn't going to happen.

I'm sorry I pointed out how stupid your post was but it needed to be done.

 

[douglyzia]

Making fun of overweight people is a fantastic way to demonstrate your sincerity around the mental health issues caused by the economic collapse that isn't going to happen.

I'm sorry I pointed out how stupid your post was but it needed to be done.

As opposed to making fun of people who work in a "fish and chip shop"?

I'm sorry I pointed out that you are an obese loser. Too bad!

 

[douglyzia]

Toump Ass feels really special and superior to you because he doesn't work in a "fish and chip shop". Remember that, folks.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

As opposed to making fun of people who work in a "fish and chip shop"?

I'm sorry I pointed out that you are an obese loser. Too bad!

C'mon mate. Three posts in a row without bringing up Islam.

Have you turned a corner?

 

[its free real estate]

The lives of those who are at risk from COVID-19 are worth more than those who will commit suicide from depression (due to losing their jobs, businesses, etc.)! Deal with it!

Yes, if you are a druggie or a chain smoker with dodgy lungs or f’ed up your life with a shitty unhealthy lifestyle, your life is worth more than someone who has worked hard to stay fit and healthy, and now the latter must sacrifice their lives to save you!

How close are you to the edge bro?

 

[douglyzia]

C'mon mate. Three posts in a row without bringing up Islam.

Have you turned a corner?

At the risk of being sidetracked from this thread ... Yes, I've turned the corner (to a certain extent). I've met many Muslims who have been more than nice and respectful to me (and me to them). I won't rag on Muslims as much as I admittedly have done in the past, but that doesn't mean I don't still have some serious concerns about Islam as an ideology.

 

[douglyzia]

How close are you to the edge bro?

Don't push me 'coz I'm close to the edge. I'm trying not to lose my head!

It's like a jungle sometimes, sometimes I wonder how I keep from going under.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

At the risk of being sidetracked from this thread ... Yes, I've turned the corner (to a certain extent). I've met many Muslims who have been more than nice and respectful to me (and me to them). I won't rag on Muslims as much as I admittedly have done in the past, but that doesn't mean I don't still have some serious concerns about Islam as an ideology.

This was unexpected. Good for you, that's impressive!

 

[douglyzia]

This was unexpected. Good for you, that's impressive!

Don't get your hopes up. I'm likely to post something highly critical about Islam at any moment. As I've said in the past, I despise ALL religions, but there is one religion that is particularly sensitive to criticism, which I don't appreciate.

But that doesn't change the fact that I've met many perfectly nice, and perfectly fine, Muslims, on an individual/personal level.

 

[its free real estate]

Don't push me 'coz I'm close to the edge. I'm trying not to lose my head!

It's like a jungle sometimes, sometimes I wonder how I keep from going under.

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[douglyzia]

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[go you pups]

Don't push me 'coz I'm close to the edge. I'm trying not to lose my head!

It's like a jungle sometimes, sometimes I wonder how I keep from going under.

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[kranky al]

At the risk of being sidetracked from this thread ... Yes, I've turned the corner (to a certain extent). I've met many Muslims who have been more than nice and respectful to me (and me to them). I won't rag on Muslims as much as I admittedly have done in the past, but that doesn't mean I don't still have some serious concerns about Islam as an ideology.

Nah this is a worthy sidetrack.

congratulations man!! Im always in favour of seeing a fellow man see things in a different way. Feel free to see “militant islam” in the same light as other extremist groups.

theres nothing wrong with seeing c%^}t’s as being c}#}}t’s - its when you lump a whole subsection of our society into that small subsection of their society that is bad that you need to be pulled up.

kudos!!

 

[fishardansin]

Most countries are opting for lock down policies, though some countries have adopted this a little too late. It will flatten the curve. If the policies are adhered to for 6 weeks we are looking the other side of the exponential curve and a huge reduction in cases. At which point we could see a scaling back of the social and business restrictions.

Businesses and individuals might be able to manage a 6 week break in income. Any longer than that and we are going to see a large amount of businesses go under, unemployment and hardship at levels we've not seen for over a century.

It will be three months minimum.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The lives of those who are at risk from COVID-19 are worth more than those who will commit suicide from depression (due to losing their jobs, businesses, etc.)! Deal with it!

Yes, if you are a druggie or a chain smoker with dodgy lungs or f’ed up your life with a shitty unhealthy lifestyle, your life is worth more than someone who has worked hard to stay fit and healthy, and now the latter must sacrifice their lives to save you!

How good is it that i'm mentally stable despite all the booze and drugs, maybe they help.

They don't NEED to sacrifice their lives, i'd prefer not.

 

[douglyzia]

The standard of "discourse" on SRP:

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

The standard of "discourse" on SRP:

Sorry to hear about being fired from the fish and chip shop.

 

[douglyzia]

Sorry to hear about being fired from the fish and chip shop.

I hear the local charcoal chicken is hiring.

 

[kranky al]

I also respectfully disagree, the question is how long can the developed world cope with a full economic lock down. The true answer is unknown, we're either going to test the waters or somehow co exist with this virus. Currently we're looking at testing the waters.

From what we know anywhere up to %15 WILL die from this virus. Those are dramatic numbers, and is highly speculative. Everything IS HIGHLY speculative around what the information we are receiving.

This is also speculative, IF we we're to carry on as normal the virus would kill up to 15% of those in infected, maybe more. Speculative also that up to 80% of the world population will be infected - the math you can work out. At worst that is 15% maybe more of that 80% of the world population. 100's of millions of people.

What we don't know and what is even more speculative is what effect of total lock down would have, over an extended period. If you think the above numbers are scary - speculatively - the numbers from complete lock down could be much much worse. Fair speculation none the less. We don't know, but highly likely.

At the very worst we have some sort of measurable idea of what the mortality rate would be IF the developed world carries on as business per usual. We don't know the effect of the alternative, one could fairly argue it would be much much worse.

At some point states and sovereign-ties ARE going to have to choose one or the other, or regimented state (martial law) which would also cost millions of lives.

Watch brazil

the half wit in charge there will show one way of doing it

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I hear the local charcoal chicken is hiring.

They usually have top tier salads so you might've gotten lucky.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Watch brazil

the half wit in charge there will show one way of doing it

Oh I don't disagree, since that post you've replied to we've had more lock down measures, and things have changed dramatically. Even here in wa all the regions are closed off. So it seems this developed country at least, since that post, ARE locking down instead of a free wheeling society.

IF for example McGowan decides NO ONE is to leave their property then how does one get food and essentials? That would require a regimented state to 'home deliver' such things. Martial law, if not there'll be citizens doing all sorts of crazy things to survive, anarchy.

I'm not suggesting we just carry on as per usual, never have, I'm merely pointing out the REAL effects of societal lock down - if we get there. We're somewhere in between and to be honest I gotta have praise for all the governments and oppositions putting their s**t fights to the side to work together............... never waste a crisis is the 'in' term if I am correct.

 

[kranky al]

Oh I don't disagree, since that post you've replied to we've had more lock down measures, and things have changed dramatically. Even here in wa all the regions are closed off. So it seems this developed country at least, since that post, ARE locking down instead of a free wheeling society.

IF for example McGowan decides NO ONE is to leave their property then how does one get food and essentials? That would require a regimented state to 'home deliver' such things. Martial law, if not there'll be citizens doing all sorts of crazy things to survive, anarchy.

I'm not suggesting we just carry on as per usual, never have, I'm merely pointing out the REAL effects of societal lock down - if we get there. We're somewhere in between and to be honest I gotta have praise for all the governments and oppositions putting their s**t fights to the side to work together............... never waste a crisis is the 'in' term if I am correct.

Pretty much what they did in china - food delivered - stay home

course they can say stay home or you cop a bullet

sometimes being a totalitarian state has its advantages (i guess - not willing to find out)

im super proud of the politicians in this country pretty much stfu and getting the job done

the oppositions especially - all they can do atm is make suggestions that the respective pm / premier will wear the kudos for.

morrison started slow out of the blocks - then hit stride - i cant believe its the same insipid useless waste of space that he was in the fires..... hes grown as a leader massively - to understand how far you have to understand that the hard right / ipa do not want him to do what he’s doing.

hed be under immense pressure to do precisely nothing - the hard right / ipa would have us in tent cities eating from soup kitchens..... well those who survived anyway

- all the better for them to wind back every working condition to zero....

hes resisting that and doing the right think for the country and has dropped his ideological ballast on the way.

im the first to give the guy brickbats and im pretty happy to be giving him kudos in this case.