How long does the AFLW season need to be?

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Teen Wolf

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A couple of years ago I sardonically commented on here that a prestigious sporting event like the FIFA World Cup only requires teams to play about half-a-dozen games at most... so why should AFLW be any different?? I didn’t expect Gillon McLachlan to seriously make the same argument a few months later in radio interviews. Well, he wasn’t really being serious, except insofar to make a valid point about ideal scenarios vs logistical realities.

Since then, the AFL has committed to the following increments for the women's competition structure.

2018: 7 rounds + grand final
2019: 7 rounds + 2 weeks of finals
2020: 8 rounds + 3 weeks of finals (at least that’s what it was supposed to be)
2021: 9 rounds + 3 weeks of finals
2022: 10 rounds + 3 weeks of finals

The two key questions are: How much more does the season need to grow? And where on the calendar is it going to fit?

I think the above increases will get the season very close to its optimal length. Imo there doesn’t appear to be a way for the AFLW season to ever run for longer than four months without severely undermining its ability to thrive as a product. My preference would be to have 11 rounds + 4 weeks of finals from late August to mid-December, thereby avoiding the two months of the year that are the least suitable for football. Most importantly, it would also mean AFLW would never have to be scheduled among, or be cannibalised by, nine games of the men’s AFL comp per week.

I can't help but sense a nagging, petty and immature tone permeating criticisms of “the AFL’s go-slow approach” (as it’s often referred to in hopeless editorials which offer no feasible solution). The most common catchphrase focuses on how teams should all play each other at least once, otherwise the competition is a “joke”. Citing the FIFA World Cup is undoubtedly a cheap response to a cheap jibe. But highlighting the NFL—in which 32 teams play just 16 regular season games—is fair, and it should be accounted for by those who say an eleven-round H&A season in a league of 14 (or even 18) teams simply won’t cut it.

Any credible opposition to my proposal should also attempt to solve the Summer Heat and Clear Window problems, as well as considering the impact of a longer season on issues like list size.
 

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A couple of years ago I sardonically commented on here that a prestigious sporting event like the FIFA World Cup only requires teams to play about half-a-dozen games at most... so why should AFLW be any different?? I didn’t expect Gillon McLachlan to seriously make the same argument a few months later in radio interviews. Well, he wasn’t really being serious, except insofar to make a valid point about ideal scenarios vs logistical realities.

Since then, the AFL has committed to the following increments for the women's competition structure.

2018: 7 rounds + grand final
2019: 7 rounds + 2 weeks of finals
2020: 8 rounds + 3 weeks of finals (at least that’s what it was supposed to be)
2021: 9 rounds + 3 weeks of finals
2022: 10 rounds + 3 weeks of finals

The two key questions are: How much more does the season need to grow? And where on the calendar is it going to fit?

I think the above increases will get the season very close to its optimal length. Imo there doesn’t appear to be a way for the AFLW season to ever run for longer than four months without severely undermining its ability to thrive as a product. My preference would be to have 11 rounds + 4 weeks of finals from late August to mid-December, thereby avoiding the two months of the year that are the least suitable for football. Most importantly, it would also mean AFLW would never have to be scheduled among, or be cannibalised by, nine games of the men’s AFL comp per week.

I can't help but sense a nagging, petty and immature tone permeating criticisms of “the AFL’s go-slow approach” (as it’s often referred to in hopeless editorials which offer no feasible solution). The most common catchphrase focuses on how teams should all play each other at least once, otherwise the competition is a “joke”. Citing the FIFA World Cup is undoubtedly a cheap response to a cheap jibe. But highlighting the NFL—in which 32 teams play just 16 regular season games—is fair, and it should be accounted for by those who say an eleven-round H&A season in a league of 14 (or even 18) teams simply won’t cut it.

Any credible opposition to my proposal should also attempt to solve the Summer Heat and Clear Window problems, as well as considering the impact of a longer season on issues like list size.
There is a transition point, and where that transition point is, and how its negotiated depends on how the AFL views the AFLW.

The AFLW is the premier, and only, pro or semi pro womens football league, and eventually, that is how it will be treated. A large part of the reason for the current structure isnt fear of overlap with the AFL, but fear of overlap with other womens leagues. Taking so many players out of leagues not well placed to be able to cope with the loss is a big issue.

Eventually, those leagues will just have to deal, after they have been given time to adjust.

Then, the AFLW will just overlap with the AFL by a greater margin, and if it affects viewers, it affects viewers.

I think, with reason, they are hoping to build a core support base for the AFLW that will stick with it even during the AFL season. Big enough to make it viable anyway.

I dont think that change happens until after the next expansion, which will be about 2023-2024.

So, about 2025, I think it goes to a 15 game season, starting about where it does now, and going deeper into the AFL season.

Other female leagues should be strong enough to cope missing that many players by then.

Personally, I would rather watch an Eagles AFLW game over a lot of non Eagles AFL games. There are enough AFLW supportrs in the same boat to make it doable.
 

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The AFLW is the premier, and only, pro or semi pro womens football league, and eventually, that is how it will be treated.
So how does the AFL treat AFLW? For one thing, they consider every match is important enough to be televised. Not a small detail, especially in comparison to the coverage afforded to equivalent leagues of other sports.
Then, the AFLW will just overlap with the AFL by a greater margin, and if it affects viewers, it affects viewers.
An indifferent attitude about a huge reduction in viewership (and it would be huge, there's no 'if' about it) isn't what I'd call premier treatment, though. Nor is it compatible with the "can't be what you can't see" philosophy, which is why the AFL have been adamant about televising every game. They threaten to undermine their own work by settling on the overlap option.
I think, with reason, they are hoping to build a core support base for the AFLW that will stick with it even during the AFL season. Big enough to make it viable anyway.
Setting it up to fail that way. One will get prime time scheduling, the other will get shafted to 5.45pm on a Friday or 6.10pm on a Sunday. No prizes for guessing which one gets priority. So again I question how that constitutes premier treatment.
 

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There isn’t going to be any more interest in the women’s game if it doesn’t over lap with the men’s, it will be the opposite. Curtain raiser games are the best bet to get decent crowds, look at this year, they didn’t even bother rescheduling the finals after it was called off. It didn’t appear anyone lost any sleep over who might have been premiers.
 

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There isn’t going to be any more interest in the women’s game if it doesn’t over lap with the men’s, it will be the opposite.
Clearly not true, AFLW ratings and attendance has taken a hit every year just when the men's pre-season matches get underway.
Curtain raiser games are the best bet to get decent crowds, they didn’t even bother rescheduling the finals after it was called off. It didn’t appear anyone lost any sleep over who might have been premiers.
Hopefully those who actually have the AFLW's best interests in mind realise this^ is the kind of drop-kick attitude they're aligning themselves with by supporting an overlapping fixture.
 

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Clearly not true, AFLW ratings and attendance has taken a hit every year just when the men's pre-season matches get underway.

Hopefully those who actually have the AFLW's best interests in mind realise this^ is the kind of drop-kick attitude they're aligning themselves with by supporting an overlapping fixture.
The truth hurts, the AFL competition have taken a huge financial blow this year, culling staff and possibly list sizes. The aflw will only ever survive of the back of the men’s comp, until the standard of footy rises. The standard won’t rise much until a generation comes through who have grown up playing the game. You can’t just pluck athletes form different codes who have never touched a football and expect there to be a spectacle.
 

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The truth hurts, the AFL competition have taken a huge financial blow this year, culling staff and possibly list sizes. The aflw will only ever survive of the back of the men’s comp, until the standard of footy rises. The standard won’t rise much until a generation comes through who have grown up playing the game. You can’t just pluck athletes form different codes who have never touched a football and expect there to be a spectacle.
It will only survive on the back of the men's competition, full stop. But this thread is about how to take it from surviving to thriving. Clearly there's a lot of basic information you need to catch up on before you can contribute to this discussion in any meaningful way, unfortunately.

Truth doesn't hurt. Stupidity, on the other hand...
 

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It will only survive on the back of the men's competition, full stop.
You’ve answered your own question right here. How does something thrive while being solely dependent on something else to stay afloat?
To create any sort of atmosphere they’ve had to waiver admission fees or schedule before a men’s game, I can’t see that changing in the short term. It is what it is. It’s all about the standard of the game, while it’s low, interest will be low.
 

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To create any sort of atmosphere they’ve had to waiver admission fees or schedule before a men’s game, I can’t see that changing in the short term. It is what it is. It’s all about the standard of the game, while it’s low, interest will be low.
The same nonsense always gets trotted out about women's cricket too, but look at what happens when it's treated as a drawcard by administrators--86k paying spectators at the MCG. If CA and the ICC had taken the easy route again and played it as a curtain-raiser to the men's final, people like you would be saying "see, can't even bring in their own crowd, they have to leech off the men!"
 

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The same nonsense always gets trotted out about women's cricket too, but look at what happens when it's treated as a drawcard by administrators--86k paying spectators at the MCG. If CA and the ICC had taken the easy route again and played it as a curtain-raiser to the men's final, people like you would be saying "see, can't even bring in their own crowd, they have to leech off the men!"
The women’s cricket is played at a high skill level, aflw is not, it’s a poor example. It’s not about men or women, it’s about the quality of the game.
 

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I think as long as the number of games and finalists increases gradually during and beyond the current CBA the league will continue to improve. When/how this is scheduled is key but as with the AFLW and AFL this season COVID may have quite an impact on the next season or two.

The next 5-10 years will definitely provide more young AFLW recruits who have played footy through most of their junior years rather than those who play less than 20 games before being drafted.

If expansion provides 18 clubs within the next decade then either a 17 round or 22 round season could be reached as the eventual goal at some stage.
 

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If scheduling is key, shouldn't the AFL work backwards from where the space is on the calendar and structure a season around that, rather than predetermining a fixed number of games and cramming them into where they don't fit?

Another question worth posing is how long AFLW matches need to be? My preference: extend the quarters to 15 minutes with full/proper time on (increases the average duration from about 18 mins to 22.5 mins), and limit every break to 6 mins (can't be done with a season starting in Feb).

That keeps it comfortably contained as a two-hour product while adding an extra quarter's worth of game time to the status quo, theoretically allowing play to open up a bit more. This is another factor that should be prioritised ahead of increasing the number of games imo.
 

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