How many false dawns can we have?

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Whenever we think the Crows have finally found the next gear, they die in the ass the next week. Let's be honest:

We're not going to make the finals.

We can't make the most of our opportunities and can't kick under pressure.

McGregor is not consistent enough as a forward. We don't need another 'good one week-unsighted the next' player in our forward line.

Carey is again holding the forward line together beyond his current abilities.

Johncock is not consistent enough.

Bassett is a weakling and has no real role in the backline.

Hentschel is soft and thinks he has more time than he does.

Scott Stevens disappears for long periods of the game.

Perrie is a crap defender, he is a forward and forward only.

Roo and McLeod are unfairly carrying the weight of the midfield.

Edwards needs to pull his finger out.

Hudson is a trier, but he needs to be dropped and given a rest.

Begley is a godsend and we'd be going much worse without him.

Burton's kicking gets worse the more pressure he is under.

Jericho is a talent but needs a break.

Bock is pretty much useless. Trade him for something or delist him.

Ladhams still hasn't found his old form.

Bode might as well not play with the amount of time we're giving him.

Mattner is rubbish.

Massie goes about his job quietly, but seems to be doing well.
 

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What irritated me was the stupidity tonight. How many times did Fletcher have to drill it over our zone before we moved 10-15 back to solve that problem?

How many times did we have two men go up at a contest or on one side of the pack, allowing Essendon to have free runners?

Just basic basic errors both on the ground and in the coaches box.

And Brett Burton... you ****ing waste of carbon. If anyone still tries to tell me this pony doesn't burn the ball I'll walk backwards to China naked.
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor

Hentschel is soft and thinks he has more time than he does.

Begley is a godsend and we'd be going much worse without him.

Burton's kicking gets worse the more pressure he is under.

Mattner is rubbish.

Completely agree with these. Every single time Hentschel is under pressure he freezes :confused: GET RID OF IT! Mattner is pathetic. Why is he in the team? What's happened to Shirley?? Burton's kicking gets worse the bigger his head gets. Notice after a few good games, he seems to have this amazing confidence... which quickly translates into crap footy. Thank God for Begley...he has been awesome this year. He looks much stronger compared to last year, too.

Don't agree with what you said about Edwards...although he shouldn't really be playing in the forward line, we need him in the midfield.
 

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Essendon don't have a lot of great players, yet they still managed this without Hird's recent form, they worked for each other and their gameplan was superior - or at least, they enacted it more convincingly.

They wanted the ball more. The passion the Crows had for the Port game seems to have been a one-off.

Unfortunately, we weren't bad enough that we'll lose less than 6 games, so middle of the road draft picks means our mediocrity will continue.
 

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Our list could stand to lose:

Perrie
Gallagher
Skipworth
Shirley
Bock
Bode
Mattner
Burns
Bassett

I think Burton has something to offer - as a forward only. Bode is clearly not in favour and there's no point in him wasting a space on our list. Doughty can stay because he has improved markedly this year, been very impressive. Bassett is too small and too weak to be worth keeping, we need to trade him.

Upgrade Parker and Hazell, give Rutten a chance this year or add him to that list, put Torney back in the team.

And hopefully keep Carey for one more year if he keeps playing like this...could do with some protection while Fergus bulks up...
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor
Whenever we think the Crows have finally found the next gear, they die in the ass the next week. Let's be honest:

We're not going to make the finals.

We can't make the most of our opportunities and can't kick under pressure.

McGregor is not consistent enough as a forward. We don't need another 'good one week-unsighted the next' player in our forward line.

Carey is again holding the forward line together beyond his current abilities.

Johncock is not consistent enough.

Bassett is a weakling and has no real role in the backline.

Hentschel is soft and thinks he has more time than he does.

Scott Stevens disappears for long periods of the game.

Perrie is a crap defender, he is a forward and forward only.

Roo and McLeod are unfairly carrying the weight of the midfield.

Edwards needs to pull his finger out.

Hudson is a trier, but he needs to be dropped and given a rest.

Begley is a godsend and we'd be going much worse without him.

Burton's kicking gets worse the more pressure he is under.

Jericho is a talent but needs a break.

Bock is pretty much useless. Trade him for something or delist him.

Ladhams still hasn't found his old form.

Bode might as well not play with the amount of time we're giving him.

Mattner is rubbish.

Massie goes about his job quietly, but seems to be doing well.
Next week drop Bode,Burton,Perrie and Bock all useless and had ne effect on the game were not accountable Hart,Biglands,Smart and Welsh in,I am very disapointed with tonights effort not the way we played against Port and shows we lack consitencey Burton was woeful tonight has no footy brain what so ever, Hentshel got caught far to many times may need a rest Johncock and Stevens went out of the game McGregor not consistant enough as a forward,Im expecting upto four or five changes for next week as what happened tonight is not acceptable and if the players arent accountable they shouldnt be playing.

Carey sensational tonight he was a standout and full credit to him and gave some credit to the scoreline,but he is still carrying the forawardline way to much, but someone has too which is unfortunate.

All in all bitterly disapointed and something has got to change:mad:
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor
Massie goes about his job quietly, but seems to be doing well.
On TV it seemed that Ayres reserved most of his 3/4 time ire for Massie. I didn't really know why either. The bloke was great last week and certainly wasn't your worst in the first 3/4 tonight.
 

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#9
Originally posted by spindoctor
Our list could stand to lose:

Perrie
Gallagher
Skipworth
Shirley
Bock
Bode
Mattner
Burns
Bassett

I think Burton has something to offer - as a forward only. Bode is clearly not in favour and there's no point in him wasting a space on our list. Doughty can stay because he has improved markedly this year, been very impressive. Bassett is too small and too weak to be worth keeping, we need to trade him.

Upgrade Parker and Hazell, give Rutten a chance this year or add him to that list, put Torney back in the team.

And hopefully keep Carey for one more year if he keeps playing like this...could do with some protection while Fergus bulks up...
I agree with alot of this Bassett is a hard one as he tries so hard and thought he did alright on Lloyd ton ight IMO I would retain him
 

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Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by ok.crows
Early sunset. The Crows have burnt the season now.
Its doesn't make any difference. The last two sides in the eight will be just making up the numbers.

I know everyone wants to get stuck into Bock, Hentcshel and Jericho but it is not them that cost us the game. These blokes have played just 3, 10 and 4 games. They are not going to be playing consistent football. On the other hand players like Perrie and Gallagher have played enough games to know better and didn't stand up again tonight.

Can someone please tell me what was our game plan. We were shorter than the Dons and what do we do - yes we bomb the ball into our forward lines in the first quarter - smart tactics that!!!
 

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Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by kirky

I know everyone wants to get stuck into Bock, Hentcshel and Jericho but it is not them that cost us the game. These blokes have played just 3, 10 and 4 games. They are not going to be playing consistent football. On the other hand players like Perrie and Gallagher have played enough games to know better and didn't stand up again tonight.

Constructive comment re Bock, Hentschel and Jericho. Criticism of these 3 is unwarranted as they are learning how to be AFL footballers and that takes at least 50 games.

On top of his limited number of AFL games, Jericho has only played 3 or 4 SANFL games.

It's easy to criticize Bode and Gallagher for having little impact, but if they took as little time to have sex as they spend time on the ground, they'd be accused of premature ejeculation. ;)

Don't get me started on Perrie though!! He is a disaster playing in the backlines - why would you have your dumbest player playing in a role that can make or break a game. He excelled in dumbness tonight.

As for Burton, the only place for him is close to goal. He is totally unaccountable and turns the ball over more than 50% of the time.

I think we have some hard times ahead, but sadly will win just enough games to put us out of the reach of the best draft picks, while having no chance of playing finals.
 

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Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by kirky
I know everyone wants to get stuck into Bock, Hentcshel and Jericho but it is not them that cost us the game. These blokes have played just 3, 10 and 4 games. They are not going to be playing consistent football.
THANK YOU. At last someone with a bit of rational thinking.
 

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Re: Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by macca23
I think we have some hard times ahead, but sadly will win just enough games to put us out of the reach of the best draft picks, while having no chance of playing finals.
Thats the harsh reality of it all. We can still make the finals but it will need a major miracle and heart tells me we can do it but my head tells me its over.

After reading some of the crap posted here tonight it would appear that most people wouldn't be happy with short term pain for long term gain. I would much rather us finish with 5 wins or less this year and pick up 2 top 10 picks than finish between 9th and 12th for the next 3 years and have no benefit from it. Thats why I suggest that we play youth at all costs. Forget about these fringe players who will not improve us in the future. Play youngsters. Watts will always be a better option than Perrie at either end fo the ground. Watts is more ready for AFL footy than majority of the youngsters we are playing ATM.
 

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Re:- Scott Stevens

Originally posted by dyertribe
Daniel Schell reloaded.
We all see players differently, but IMO, Scott has something to offer as a longer term AFL Crow.

OH, one other thing, please, PLEASE, no-one try to say that footy is not 95% above the neck.

One week ago, the Crows come out thinking like Lions, and rub my Power boy's noses in the dirt.

One week later, a week later full of good cheer, thoughts and intentions, the Bombers dive bomb the Crows so much, they resemble chickens

Well done Carey
Leave now Bode, while you still have your dignity
Leave ..........., just leave
Those Lion/Chicken amalgams should hang their heads in collective shame, and remember, it can all turn around again after one good game
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

After reading some of the crap posted here tonight it would appear that most people wouldn't be happy with short term pain for long term gain. I would much rather us finish with 5 wins or less this year and pick up 2 top 10 picks than finish between 9th and 12th for the next 3 years and have no benefit from it. Thats why I suggest that we play youth at all costs. Forget about these fringe players who will not improve us in the future. Play youngsters. Watts will always be a better option than Perrie at either end fo the ground. Watts is more ready for AFL footy than majority of the youngsters we are playing ATM.
P*ss Perrie off, but at this stage I'd rather play Rutten for a few games up forward, while watts finds his feet at SANFL level.

There's no flag for us this year, and I'd rather take all the pain this year, play the kids, get decent picks and start rising again over the next couple of years.

Short term pain for long term gain.
 

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Re: Re:- Scott Stevens

Originally posted by Asgardian
Leave now Bode, while you still have your dignity
Leave ..........., just leave
Those Lion/Chicken amalgams should hang their heads in collective shame, and remember, it can all turn around again after one good game
Eh?

Give us Shaun Burgoyne and you can have him.
 

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Re: Re: Re:- Scott Stevens

Originally posted by dyertribe
Eh?

Give us Shaun Burgoyne and you can have him.
Let no-one say that the Power renege on a deal
You gave us pick 12 for Bode, we selected Shaun, we'll keep him thanks.

My reference to Bode was that he'd probably get more game time elsewhere. If he gets an opportunity to move on, I reckon he should grab that chance with both hands.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re:- Scott Stevens

Originally posted by Asgardian
My reference to Bode was that he'd probably get more game time elsewhere. If he gets an opportunity to move on, I reckon he should grab that chance with both hands.
Well he hasn't grabbed the chance we gave him with both hands in the three and a half seasons he's been with us. And unlike when we stupidly wasted pick #12 on him - considering his age and the fact he can't nail down regular game time at a side that's travelling at 2-6 - I reckon we'd be lucky to get a third round pick for him this time around.
 

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Dyertribe, what you are saying about Matty Bode is fair, after all, you do have the facts on your side.

All I have is a suspicion that he'd do okay at a different club, with a different set of coaches.
 

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Re: Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
THANK YOU. At last someone with a bit of rational thinking.
Happy to oblige and today I'm off to watch the next instalment of the "Fergus Watts Show". Stay tuned....
 

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Nobody can blame the likes of Hudson,Jericho,Bock and Hentshel for what happened last night,and I certianly anit,last night the result was because of players who have been playing the game for sometime Burton,Perrie etc these players are supposed to be the future of the club yet they arent accountable they make poor disposal errors how many times last night did Burton kick the ball straight down and Essendon players throat??????Too Bloody many times,Perrie cannot keep his feet and is NOT a defender:mad:

Some tough decisions have to be made over the rest of 2004 inreguards to Burton,Perrie,Bode these guys have been around alongtime and should be doing and playing alot better than what they put on display last night.

I say we keep playing the kids as much as we can and if players like the three above arent playing accountable footy then drop them infavour of playing the likes of Schuback,Reilly,Rutten and Watts;)


I'd ratther play a heap of kids with good senior footy players than with hacks like Bode,Perrie and Burton:mad:
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: False dawn ?

Originally posted by kirky
Happy to oblige and today I'm off to watch the next instalment of the "Fergus Watts Show". Stay tuned....
If you could let us know how guest stars Rowan Andrews and Jacob Schuback go that would be most appreciated!
 

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Re: Re: How many false dawns can we have?

Originally posted by Port01
On TV it seemed that Ayres reserved most of his 3/4 time ire for Massie. I didn't really know why either. The bloke was great last week and certainly wasn't your worst in the first 3/4 tonight.
I think his opponent got away from him a bit and he played from behind too often. Massie wasnt alone there. Not too many Crow defenders played in front last night.

As for Bass - he is a flanker/pocket player.

Due to the fact that we fail to recruit a big strong full back each year, he's stuck at FB.

We put him under more pressure than he deserves to be under.
 
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Have to face it, Essendon had a good side on the park last night, had a winning momentum, and were playing a Crows side with 4 first year players, and a number of our fringe players.
The result should not have been that unexpected.
One major difference between last week, and this week is the respective strength of the midfields. Essendons were far stronger than Ports, and IMO thats effectively where the game was won and lost.
Centre clearances and stoppages we were clearly beaten, and what showed out was their midfielders were getting the ball with momentum, whereas ours were getting it standing flat footed?
Can't put fringe players in the centre and expect to win many games - please draft some midfielders.

Burton either has no periphial vision, or no concept of team play, or both. But he spoilt our players, and played dumb/selfish football when in the forward line.

Mcgregor - who said we could build a "spine" around Kenny? - cmon be serious. 82 games, no brownlow votes and he's our future?

Bock, Jericho, Hentschell played as you would expect these kids to play, with the amount of experience.

Begley, well he's just growing in confidence all the time.

Hudson, it was the worst effort he's put in, and maybe its time he had a full game in the SANFL. When you think about it he hasn't played a lot of footy this year.

In summary, jus short of 2-3 real class players, particularly KPP, and Midfielders who could help Roo, Macca, Tyson, and Carey.
Still need a FF, CHF, Fb, and 2 Midfielders for xmas.
 
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