How many ladder positions would the Weagles drop without Judd?

[bushie]

The reason it gets rated as the premier midfield of the comp is the depth there.

Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Embley, Fletcher, Stenglein, Braun

Take out Judd and you still have 6 other more then capable mids capable of stepping and plugging the gap. Thats not taking into account the younger brigade in Selwood, Nicoski, Rosa, Butler and co who have proved capable of stepping into the middle when needed as well. Those other 6 may not have the Judd class to them, but each have proven themselves capable of destorying opposition teams on their own accord.

Judd would be missed, but due to the depth in the middle his absnece is not missed as much as other ares of the ground.

Glass is the AA fullback, is he missed if he doesnt play? Hell yes. Does Geelong miss Matt Scarlett when he doesn't play? hell yes. Does Fremantle miss Pavlich when he doesn't play? Well we don't know cos he hasnt missed a game in about 4 years but the answers still a resounding yes. Quality key position players are a lot harder to manufacture then running midfielders.

Hunter subistiuted on Hall admirably in 06 when Glass pulled out, but it's not something Eagles fans would want on a regular basis as Glass is clearly the better backman. Again would Freo want Ryan Murphy filling in for Matt Pavlich on a regular basis? He may be able to kick a few goals but sooner or later he will struggle because he doesn't have Pavlich there to shoulder some of the burden.

I am not trying to be an argumentative bastard, but I am surprised at your opinion.

Your whole midfield stoppage/centre bounce game plan is based on Judd getting the ball.

Hence the legal off the ball shepherding that has been discussed on other threads.

Any team would be mad not to implement such a thing because Judd either delivers it lace out to a leading player or does something else incredible due to his pace and evasive skills. No other player in your team, or in the AFL, can do what he does, let alone destroy a team on a regular basis.

I do rate your midfield very highly, but without Judd you come back to the pack very quickly because of your lack of genuine top line forwards to cover for his loss.

Of course any team would miss a player of the calibre of Pavlich or Scarlett. But in todays game the midfield is everything.

Hence your success.

 

[West Coast 06]

Up to a point BB, But I reckon Biglands going down had more of an effect.

Freo would have loved to play Adelaide without Biglands in the 2nd half.

Hang on, they were already missing McLeod and Burton from the team that played West Coast. Plus the Crows had a weeks rest before they played us.

Perhaps it was your inability to score at all in the last quarter that cost you, or the fact that the Crows out scored Freo in the third despite Freo having a 5 goal breeze at their back?

 

[dipper86]

Good thanks. Thought this would be an interesting poll, because we have previously clearly established that the Weagles woukd not have won the 2006 flag without Judd, and the remaining question I guess is how far they would have fallen short.

Parrot, you're a silly one, No sh*t West Coast wouldn't have won a premiership without Judd, just like North wouldn't have won without Carey or Carlton without Kernahan or Port without Tredrea etc etc.
All you're doing is stating the bleedin obvious.
Nice try though!!! making a negative out of nothing, very good effort indeeed.

 

[bushie]

Parrot, you're a silly one, No sh*t West Coast wouldn't have won a premiership without Judd, just like North wouldn't have won without Carey or Carlton without Kernahan or Port without Tredrea etc etc.
All you're doing is stating the bleedin obvious.
Nice try though!!! making a negative out of nothing, very good effort indeeed.

You are right dipper.

But you try and get an eagle supporter to admit it.

 

[makethat2]

I think the point is the talent gap between Judd and the Weagles other "midfielders" is absolutely massive. Cousins used to be great. Kerr, Embley are OK. But the rest are either ordinary or part of the Weagles extended midfield-tagger brigade e.g. Selwood, Stenglein etc etc. I just couldn't see the Weagles making top-4 without Judd. In the end it probably doesn't matter much, because Judd is almost certain to play the full season. But you never know I guess.

Kerr and Embley are OK? If Murphy turned out to be as good as him you would be claiming him as a star. Kerr is just below Judd in media talk and brownlow voting.

 

[parrot]

Kerr and Embley are OK? If Murphy turned out to be as good as him you would be claiming him as a star. Kerr is just below Judd in media talk and brownlow voting.

Murph will turn out to be a lot better than Kerr or Embley. His domination of the Juddless 2nd-tier Weagles midfield, earlier last year at Subi showed us why. Go and watch the match. He was a class above the rest that day despite heavy attention from the Weagles midfielde taggers. An elite talent.

 

[QL 21]

The question was though."Do you think WC would have been able to get over the top of Carlton if they hadn't had an 8 day break?"

Doesn't really matter now does it? Seeing as we're the premiers and all. We could go back over every game and say "What if .." - but again, we're the premiers, so why would we?

 

[Biggie]

Interesting that you consider your fullback more important than the, arguably, premier player of the competition.

Is this a reflection of your lack of confidence in your backline depth??

Or don't you rate Judd as highly as most?

Judd may be arguably the premier player of the comp but in my eyes Glass is our most important.

Yes our midfield scraggs, bites, pinches, clears out, shepards illegally etc etc but I could safely say that most clubs would do the same for their premier midfielder.

I do have a lack of confidence in our depth at FB, nothing wrong with being realistic.

Hunter would do an admirable job but Im sure the coaching committee would rather have pinch hit around the ground then stay cemented at FB.

Graham atm struggles with strong FF's and is better suited as a sweeper or CHB.

I do rate Judd highly but we do have others to fill that void, albeit not as brilliant.

However the cupboard is bare when it comes to another geniune FB at WCE.

And for the record we probably woundnt of got to the GF without Judd. But we have him no else does and WCE will do their damndest ( is this a word?) to ensure he is a WCE for life.

By the time this discussion is over it will be Rnd 1!

 

[Biggie]

Doesn't really matter now does it? Seeing as we're the premiers and all. We could go back over every game and say "What if .." - but again, we're the premiers, so why would we?

We just have to keep telling the masses my good friend.

WCE Premiers 2006 and not without a chance to go back to back.

 

[parrot]

Judd may be arguably the premier player of the comp but in my eyes Glass is our most important..

Any FB that is made to look like a complete basket case by the best FF in the AFL, Fev, on a regular basis is hardly an important player. It's going to take the AA selection process many years to regain their reputation after the bizarre Glass and Bowden selections in 2006. They lost a lot of credibility unfortunately.

 

[Brad Pearce]

How many positions do you think Carlton would drop without Fevola?

Oh wait....you cant go any lower than 16th can you?

I'm sorry half your team has been sodimised by Big Bad Bubba

 

[Biggie]

Any FB that is made to look like a complete basket case by the best FF in the AFL, Fev, on a regular basis is hardly an important player. It's going to take the AA selection process many years to regain their reputation after the bizarre Glass and Bowden selections in 2006. They lost a lot of credibility unfortunately.

Parrot, same old post again.

YES Fev owns Glass.

BUT no other FF does.

Get it in your HEAD.

Thankyou have a nice day.

 

[parrot]

...YES Fev owns Glass.....

Correct. You'd think the ultimate measuring stick for a FB would be how he performs against Fev, who is the best FF going around. Hard to avoid that fact isn't it. BTW it looks like the general consensus is that the Weagles are a 4th-5th finish team without Judd. Admittedly, that's a 1-2 ladder better result than I would have predicted.

 

[makethat2]

Murph will turn out to be a lot better than Kerr or Embley. His domination of the Juddless 2nd-tier Weagles midfield, earlier last year at Subi showed us why. Go and watch the match. He was a class above the rest that day despite heavy attention from the Weagles midfielde taggers. An elite talent.

His A talent know doubt. Do you really think that west coast actually went into a game like that caring. At the time they were struggling but still winning. By that I mean last quarter efforts. Stenglien or what ever his name is has never been regaurded as on of the best taggers anyway. Don't doubt Murphys talent but to be as good as Kerr is now would be an achievment. Dont expect it though. If it happens good on him if not still will be good.

 

[Biggie]

Correct. You'd think the ultimate measuring stick for a FB would be how he performs against Fev, who is the best FF going around. Hard to avoid that fact isn't it. BTW it looks like the general consensus is that the Weagles are a 4th-5th finish team without Judd. Interesting.

Fev is a nut case Parrot. Great footballer yes but a nutcase nevertheless.

He isnt certainly isnt the measuring stick for AA selection, thats just laughable.

I dont claim to know the structure of AA selection but im almost certain Fev wouldnt feature.

Im not trying to avoid any facts love.

General consensus is 4-5 is it? Still gives a very good chance of winning the big one.

 

[parrot]

His A talent know doubt. Do you really think that west coast actually went into a game like that caring. At the time they were struggling but still winning. By that I mean last quarter efforts. Stenglien or what ever his name is has never been regaurded as on of the best taggers anyway. Don't doubt Murphys talent but to be as good as Kerr is now would be an achievment. Dont expect it though. If it happens good on him if not still will be good.

I'm not saying Murph is as good as Kerr right now - clearly he is not. But Murph certainly has the talent to be much better than either Kerr or Embley though. He really is an amazing talent. Hopefully Bryce Gibbs can also showcase his impressive abilities over the next several years. Going to be great for all footy fans watching these 2 new-generation midfield elites progress in the young Blues lineup.

 

[parrot]

.... Great footballer yes but a nutcase nevertheless....

How's Ben Cousin's going?

 

[Biggie]

How's Ben Cousin's going?

Touche.

Dont worry I ve asked myself the same thing.

I suppose we all have them at each club.

 

[SAINTS 4 07 FLAG]

I think the eagles are gonna crash this year

 

[QL 21]

I think the eagles are gonna crash this year

Compelling argument. Jumping on the Saints bandwagon nice and early I see.

 

[Biggie]

I think the eagles are gonna crash this year

Prediction of ladder position?

Reasons behind this crash?

Waiting....................

 

[foz_17]

I think the eagles are gonna crash this year

That username is going to look pretty stupid by the end of september.

 

[Coin_Toss]

It's not an easy question to answer. Firstly Judd is their captain and their best player, so you'd expect them to player below their capacity, but West Coast have a stronger midfield than most other clubs. We would never know unless Judd goes elsewhere in his prime.

As for the poll, I couldn't decide - sorry but it had to be said.

 

[Brad Pearce]

That username is going to look pretty stupid by the end of september.

so will your face

 

[Heisenberg_]

so will your face

What a pathetic comeback from a pathetic poster