How should the world deal with ISIS?

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Does bombing them help, or does it cultivate more radicals among impacted civilians?

How do you bomb? Targeted strikes? Raids?

Does anyone suggest putting troops on the ground?

Should military action be left to the US or Egypt or someone else? AN alliance of nations?

I don't think anyone would deny seeing these murdering, raping terrorist pedophiles being gone is a bad thing; but I havent seen any explanation about how to do it as worthwhile.

 

[CountryRace]

We are not giving them Enough money or pimp modified utes

 

[GoldenHodge]

Does bombing them help, or does it cultivate more radicals among impacted civilians?

The latter I reckon. Just bombing areas and destroying buildings, structures and taking civilians live as collateral damage is only creating more extremists. We could use ground forces to try and attack extremists with less collateral damage but we're still interfering and there will still be civilian deaths. We could try to help out local governments to tackle this problem but that hasn't worked in the past either. In other words, I'm all out of ideas.

 

[CountryRace]

Maybe we are supporting them to carry on with the continual state of war

 

[EasyBeingGreen]

The thing with ISIS is that it isn't a specific army, or people, it's an idea if you will.

You can bomb, shoot, kill as many militants as you like, but the lure of radical Islam and the brotherhood and sense of self value it brings will always be there, particularly for young, disenfranchised, poor, unemployed and unskilled youths.

Quite simply it's a battle that can only be won not on the battlefields, but in the minds of Muslims and non Muslims alike, how it's won is anyone's guess, and is certainly beyond me, but one can only hope that the inner humanity that most of us have eventually defeats this evil.

 

[lewigie]

It needs military intervention.. but maybe from countries in the middle east,.not western countries.

 

[Chameleon75]

Isis is symptomatic of middle eastern policy and politics. Take a step back and look who is spreading the ideology and who is funding these groups. Whilst we fail to confront Saudi Arabia and Qatar in pursuit of their oil there will always be the next 'isis' after this one falls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...y-funding-global-spread-of-radical-Islam.html

 

[CountryRace]

Isis is symptomatic of middle eastern policy and politics. Take a step back and look who is spreading the ideology and who is funding these groups. Whilst we fail to confront Saudi Arabia and Qatar in pursuit of their oil there will always be the next 'isis' after this one falls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...y-funding-global-spread-of-radical-Islam.html

Shhhh

 

[medusala]

Let them all enter Australia by boat.

It's the compassionate thing to do.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

A very tough question to answer succinctly and clearly with multiple issues and complexities that need to be explored and addressed. My answer below is very simplistic so I'm no expert on this and I don't think it's easy to sum this up in a relatively small post.

Anyway being able to defeat and eliminate ISIS is easier said than done. I suppose there's a fear of the repercussions that come with how to handle them plus the fact that many ISIS fighters are able to transition themselves into guerrilla warfare which makes it harder for enemies to track them properly and efficiently.

Plus bombing the s**t out of them might sound appealing and I'm the first person who wants to see the group eliminated but it's not as simple as it's made out to be by many people as they possess a large area of both Iraq and Syria and they pretty much control the borders of these two countries now and they seem to have aspirations to go international beyond Iraq and Syria with them now having a small impact in Libya now.

Sadly I think boots on the ground which is a last resort here might be the only way to completely eliminate them whether that's Arab or Western forces but of course the repercussions might be devastating and we don't want a repeat of what happened in 2003 in the very same country that created such conditions for groups like ISIS to thrive on in the first place. I think to really get to the heart of this issue sectarianism is a big thing that needs to be addressed by governments within Iraq and Syria and beyond.

Also while ISIS is first and foremost the biggest Sunni Jihadist group in Iraq and Syria they do have support from smaller Sunni militia groups in the area as well and these militia groups have been vital for ISIS' ability to seize cities like Raqqa and Mosul in the first place so defeating ISIS would also require the defeat and weakening of these smaller groups like the 1920 Revolution Brigade for example in Iraq.

It's a very complex issue to be dealing with and politicians from the Arab and Western world have a lot to address and think about before going in all guns blazing. I hardly know what the solution is so I'm not going even bother trying to come up with one as complex as this but whatever the solution may be I hope it's effective and get remove this problem permanently.

The fear is though that removing ISIS won't necessarily solve the big problem of sectarianism which is vital to understanding the problems that exist in countries like Syria, Iraq, Libya and Egypt for example. Arab nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran need to do a lot more! Jordan and now Egypt don't seem scared by using airstrikes to attack ISIS after the latest killings on their citizens.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Maybe we are supporting them to carry on with the continual state of war

Who's supporting them? Australia or the West as a whole?

 

[CountryRace]

"eady flow of money to ISIS from rich individuals in the Gulf continues, say current and former U.S. officials, with Qataris the biggest suppliers. These rich individuals have long served as "angel investors"

However: mcain reckons there his mates:http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2014/09/16/mccain-lack-mideast-help-result-american-indecision/

I know these people intimately, we talk to them all the time.”

Something smells fishy for mine.

War is Peace

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

I suspect those funding ISIS from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Gulf region are Wahhabists who sympathise with ISIS' cause.

Even some have hinted Turkey's alleged involvement with ISIS but there isn't enough evidence to support that theory apart from the fact that foreign fighters have been able to cross the Turkish-Syrian border with ease to fight for ISIS and the fact that Turkey is an enemy of the Kurds and are against the attempted liberation of Kurdistan in the North.

From what I can gather McCain is saying he knows people from the Free Syrian Army even though they are in fact enemies of ISIS in Syria and have actually hijacked or taken over areas that were once FSA strongholds after they were fighting Assad's forces back in 2013. For what its worth I don't agree with the US' stance to supply arms to the FSA especially as they have alleged links with groups connected to Al-Qaeda and they seem to indirectly fall into the hands of ISIS fighters anyway but I don't think there's anything necessarily fishy going on.

 

[CountryRace]

I suspect those funding ISIS from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Gulf region are Wahhabists whohtml
pathise with ISIS' cause.

Even some have hinted Turkey's alleged involvement with ISIS but there isn't enough evidence to support that theory apart from the fact that foreign fighters have been able to cross the Turkish-Syrian border with ease to fight for ISIS and the fact that Turkey is an enemy of the Kurds and are against the attempted liberation of Kurdistan in the North.

From what I can gather McCain is saying he knows people from the Free Syrian Army even though they are in fact enemies of ISIS in Syria and have actually hijacked or taken over areas that were once FSA strongholds after they were fighting Assad's forces back in 2013. For what its worth I don't agree with the US' stance to supply arms to the FSA especially as they have alleged links with groups connected to Al-Qaeda and they seem to indirectly fall into the hands of ISIS fighters anyway but I don't think there's anything necessarily fishy going on.

I like your pre edit post, ill go by that.

Nice post mate. The first bit makes you want to analysis that part a bit more. Relationship between west/saudisqatar/'donor angels'

Spot on foreign policy has unintended consequences remarkably often.

It does make one wonder if there is anything more sinister...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lver-dinar-coins-announced-Iraqi-mosques.html that one is what Greenspan and ronPaul are saying isn't it

Some more food for thought:

http://www.reddit.com/user/Ian56


http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/if-nsa-is-actually-fighting-terrorism.html
Iraqi PM Maliki says Saudi, Qatar openly funding ISIS/ISIL & violence in Anbar http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-iraq-saudi-qatar-idUSBREA2806S20140309
The money funding Islamic Terrorist groups in Syria flows through Kuwait http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/w...unds-add-wild-card-to-war-in-syria.html?_r=1&
Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS and Al-Nusra http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...etting-its-support-for-terrorism-9198213.html
Iraq crisis: Sunni caliphate has been bankrolled by Saudi Arabia http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html
I put this up on Reddit - it got a positive response. You can see the comments here. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/287bun/if_the_nsa_is_actually_fighting_terrorism_why/
Why doesn't the CIA stop arming and funding Islamic terrorist groups? http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/05/benghazi-libyan-gun-running-cia-cover.html
Blowback! U.S. trained ISIS at secret Jordan base http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/
N.B. We don't actually know which terrorist group the 200 or so fighters the CIA trained up in Jordan to fight in Syria, belonged to. Unless somebody has some better info on exactly who they were. (I wouldn't trust WND to get it right that it was ISIS.)
We also know that Turkey is providing significant material support to ISIS and Al-Nusra from various reports E.G. this
And this
PIPES: Turkey’s support for ISIS Islamist terrorists http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/17/pipes-turkeys-support-for-isis/
Lots of important information is left out of the above report about Syria and Turkey which is included in the link below (it is from the Washington Times after all)
Syria update - the Islamic Extremists are losing the war, so Saudi Arabia wants to supply heavy weapons http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/04/syria-update-islamic-extremists-are.htm

 

[rdhopkins2]

Interesting that Turkey has gone from a secular country to one which is embracing a more 'conservative' Islam.

I loved Turkey in 2007 but I don't like the way that religion has infiltrated government policy.

 

[Chief]

Excellent article in The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

People just don't understand who they are and what they want, leading to mistakes in dealing with them.


Just calling them names does very little, I would think.

 

[alexkidd16]

There's no "dealing" with them and no need to know what they want.

I don't see why Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and whatever other surrounding or threatened countries just make an alliance which could be very powerful and just surround them on the ground and eliminate isis RIGHT NOW. It really is a right now issue.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Interesting that Turkey has gone from a secular country to one which is embracing a more 'conservative' Islam.

I loved Turkey in 2007 but I don't like the way that religion has infiltrated government policy.

Kurdistan

 

[ROB48]

Nuke em.

 

[crackerjack4X4]

The problem starts and finishes with Barack Hussein Obama
https://pickeringpost.com/story/get-this-guy-s-brother-in-gitmo/4524

 

[awaremind]

Could try reconciling with Iran Russia and Syria and commit ground troops. Force evacuations of the cities they control, then annihilate them. In the longer term, ceasing funding of extremist groups and subversion campaigns in areas with stable political situations (even if they are not submissive to the will of the west) wouldnt be a bad idea. If you can live with the Saudi's and Israel's human rights abuses don't tell us your interventions are on a moral ground cos thats bullshit. And if you support Sisi's coup, its not strictly about democracy either is it?

 

[Chief]

Seems that isolating them until they implode is the best option of a bad lot.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

The problem starts and finishes with Barack Hussein Obama
https://pickeringpost.com/story/get-this-guy-s-brother-in-gitmo/4524

Pickering Post? Seriously?

 

[ROB48]

Maybe nuking isn't enough.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...-people-to-death/story-fnh81ifq-1227223596390

 

[CountryRace]

Could try reconciling with Iran Russia and Syria and commit ground troops. Force evacuations of the cities they control, then annihilate them. In the longer term, ceasing funding of extremist groups and subversion campaigns in areas with stable political situations (even if they are not submissive to the will of the west) wouldnt be a bad idea. If you can live with the Saudi's and Israel's human rights abuses don't tell us your interventions are on a moral ground cos thats bullshit. And if you support Sisi's coup, its not strictly about democracy either is it?

No you always need an enemy

Preferable several