Oppo Camp How would you fix England's ODI side?

[The Passenger]

Bell is striking at nearly 90 since the start of 2014, at an average of just over 40. Don't think he is a massive problem. Most of those games have been against Australia, India or Sri Lanka so not just beating up on weak opposition.

They don't seem to have anything close to a plan B if things aren't going their way.

FWIW, dropping Cook 3 months out from a world cup was a poor decision. Not just in hindsight but I said it at the time. There aren't too many occasions when making such a big change so close to the main event has worked. It was obvious that he was having problems with his one day game well over a year ago, and it was obvious England's one day team was all over the shop as well. They had to show some balls and make that change 12 months (or more) ago. Once they committed to him this close to the world cup, they had to show some balls and just back him in. They did neither, and the end result has been a shocking world cup. Would it have changed this world cup? Who knows. No one knows. But history rarely shows those type of decisions to work.

In the end though, it's been good fun for us. This all stems back to last seasons Ashes.

 

[swingdog]

In the end though, it's been good fun for us. This all stems back to last seasons Ashes.

True - as I said to a mate when they were collapsing against NZ, "this wouldn't be as funny if it was any other team."

Some good points from their next potential coach:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...-next-coach-in-waiting-But-hes-an-Aussie.html

 

[Ashy91]

I'd go with:

Ali
Hales
Taylor
Root
?
Buttler
?
Woakes
Jordan
?
?

The big difference is attitude. As has been noted by a few commentators, other teams are aggressive and flexible in their approach to one day cricket, sending in different batsmen depending on the situation whereas England play their game without deviating from their formula.

So your gonna drop Bell for Hales and drop the 2 best opening bowlers England have got? Oh and the new Captain?
Bat Hales at 6 depending on situation just let him swing it's all he's good at

 

[swingdog]

Bell, arguably cost them the match with his dotathon in the middle of the innings - Root can play that holding role - and Bell has 4 centuries from 160 matches. Not good enough.

Hales has opened in T20s - two aggressive openers at the top (and Ali has the ability to throttle it back when necessary) is working for Australia. Playing safe is what got England to where they are now.

Apart from the fact that both Broad and Anderson have been underwhelming in this World Cup, they need to be saved for tests now. I'm not convinced Jordan and Woakes are the answer but their quick bowling stocks are Finn (see what I did there?).

Captain - who cares? Probably Root but at this stage, they need ability ahead of on-field strategic nous.

 

[Jascave]

If England wants to start afresh, they have to get a new coach ASAP, because it won't be all that long before the Ashes start again in England, where England have to regain the urn. New Zealander John Wright could be one name put forward to replace Peter Moores as England coach. They also need a new selection committee as well.


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[swingdog]

If England wants to start afresh, they have to get a new coach ASAP, because it won't be all that long before the Ashes start again in England, where England have to regain the urn. New Zealander John Wright could be one name put forward to replace Peter Moores as England coach. They also need a new selection committee as well.


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Jonathon Agnew made a good point in that they find it hard to get anyone to do the job of coach when the main contenders (e.g. Gary Kirsten) can make double the money coaching an IPL team for 3 months with none of the media aggravation.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Don't just get Ben Stokes into the team. He's got a way to go before he is a fully developed cricketer. Not sure throwing him to the wolves to get smashed is the way to go. Australian fans just seem to remember that WACA century and some 6's in the BBL and think he's the answer. He may be talented and have a bright future ahead of him, but I think long-term he's better off not being entrenched in the XI unless he truly shows consistent form. He hasn't yet Aussies have a hard-on over him.

Need to find a bowler who isn't just an English conditions whore. Anderson and Broad would be alright as 2nd and 3rd bowlers over here, but they aren't strike bowlers.

Stop the internal fighting, need strong leadership from the top of the ECB to say you're all going to work together to achieve the best thing for English cricket. KP, Cook whoever else etc you're going to stop being little whiny bitches and stop being individuals.

Get KP in to the team, with the note that he isn't the captain. He might not be around at the next WC but he can shield some of the younger guys and help transition. He's a better option than Cook for example. If you had Bell, KP, Anderson and Broad as the 4 experienced blokes and try to find the formula with the other 7 spots (Butler-24, Root-25, Taylor-25 should have spots imo, Hales-26, Stokes-23, Finn-25 when form and spots permit). Don't rate Morgan.

Overhaul the off-field structures and personnel imo. If the players and coaches are going to be cleaned out etc then so does the rest of the team.

Who knows if I'm close to what should happen, just throwing out my opinions.

 

[Ashy91]

I agree Bell hasnt been good enough to his standard but in saying that he's still there one day Batsman.
Where England lost yeah Bell was one of the faults he ended with 63 off 82 but England not switching there line up is another reason for the loss Buttler could've come in after that innings and helped build a partnership with Root

 

[ioppolo]

What ever happened to that Adil Rashid bloke?

 

[The Speaker]

What ever happened to that Adil Rashid bloke?

Batting well and taking wickets. He'll be back in time.

 

[Neese]

I don't want it fixed

 

[CURVE]

Its fixable reasonably quickly. Both NZ and Aussie weren't performing at the one day game going back say 2 years, now they're arguably the top 2 sides in the comp. Both take risks with selections and their performances and its showing.

England need to pick based on talent, sort out their coach and get some confidence back. They've still got some good players

Australia started restructuring their 50 Over and T20 competitions about 4 or 5 years ago (IIRC) and we are starting to see some benefits of that now with the players like Maxwell, Faulkner and Marsh progressing to the Australian One Day and T20 teams through these competitions. Not sure what New Zealand have done, but England have done very little since the 70's, they have kept the county structure for both competitions and when compared to other countries such as India, Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka is appears to be an out dated model. England need a total restructure of their management and domestic competitions. Being bold with selections may find one or two capable players (hopefully more), but long term a quick fix like that will still leave them a decade or so behind the best nations in terms of development and progression.

 

[Pugsley]

Start a TV show. I'm a cricketer get me outta here.

 

[jackess]

They need to do something with their county setup. Far too many teams. Could get rid of half the teams to help the standard.

 

[Zach Package]

________
Ali
Bell
Root
Buttler +
_______
Stokes
_______
Jordan
Broad
Gurney

Bell to 3 and hopefully let himself off the leash and Buttler up to 5 would be two positional changes I'd make, and I'd also banish Jimmy from OD cricket for good.

ATM the composition of their side is a bit weird, 3 bowlers and a couple of bits and pieces all rounders, I'd pick the 4th extra out and out bowler, (although I don't know who that would be and whether he would be a spinner or a 4th quick) with Ali and Stokes splitting the 5th bowler slot.

I'm happy with those 8 names, Gurney offers a change up with the left arm and Stokes is just a good all round cricketer and breaks up all the right handers in the middle order.

The other opener and no 6 is way beyond me...Hales? Taylor? Luke Wright? Morgan?

 

[The Passenger]

They need to do something with their county setup. Far too many teams. Could get rid of half the teams to help the standard.

I have thought for a long time they have far too many county teams, and just as important too many games. Too many games really lowers the standard because you just can't play with the intensity required to go close to replicating the next level. There have been plenty of county players come to Sydney grade cricket over the years (with an attitude of "ooo we'll just head to play a bit of club cricket in Australia" thinking they are the shit and are going to score hundreds and/or take 5-fors every weekend) and gone home with their tails between their legs and barely a run and a wicket to their name. Some even ended up in second grade.

But that county set up is there to stay unless someone comes in and basically buys out the ECB and decides to go from scratch. There are too many vested interested to even consider cutting it down to 10-12 teams.

In the amauter era, I think that county set up probably worked ok, but aside from a few years they have been battling since the game turned professionally. They haven't had the talent some countries have had, but the talent they have just doesn't get the work out it needs IMO.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I have thought for a long time they have far too many county teams, and just as important too many games. Too many games really lowers the standard because you just can't play with the intensity required to go close to replicating the next level. There have been plenty of county players come to Sydney grade cricket over the years (with an attitude of "ooo we'll just head to play a bit of club cricket in Australia" thinking they are the shit and are going to score hundreds and/or take 5-fors every weekend) and gone home with their tails between their legs and barely a run and a wicket to their name. Some even ended up in second grade.

But that county set up is there to stay unless someone comes in and basically buys out the ECB and decides to go from scratch. There are too many vested interested to even consider cutting it down to 10-12 teams.

In the amauter era, I think that county set up probably worked ok, but aside from a few years they have been battling since the game turned professionally. They haven't had the talent some countries have had, but the talent they have just doesn't get the work out it needs IMO.

It depends on what it happening with the national team. When they won the Ashes twice in a row, suddenly there was nothing wrong with the county set-up! I think it's a problem with the managerial rigidity that is in the national system at present. Things could pick up under a new coach.

Plus Giles Clarke has damaged the goodwill around the game a lot with his ridiculous PR disasters, the next Chairman of the ECB won't be as stupid.

 

[The Speaker]

The county set-up has caused a number of issues that will take generations to fix. They can't just get rid of half the sides and pretend that will fix the long-term problems.

Most people don't feel a connection to their county. Most county grounds are not within large cities. Most county teams are full of cricketers that come from fairly well off backgrounds.

 

[Ekomaira]

Wouldn't.

 

[JT_the_Man]

Well, if they want to fix it, I have a five step guide.
1. Drop Morgan.
2. Drop everyone else.
3. Take the best 11 players from Ireland and Scotland.
4. Drop Morgan again.
5. Ring up KP.

 

[Jak!x]

Bopara has always been a strange one. They seem to want him but don't know what to do with him. He's played a lot of cricket for England without ever really impressing in any format.

I know that KP always used him to his best ability, I think he needs the right captain to bring out his best form, God knows Cook and Morgan couldn't do it

 

[Jascave]

How many teams are there in English county cricket?


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[happy_eagle]

How many teams are there in English county cricket?


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18 I think

 

[ioppolo]

How many teams are there in English county cricket?


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18 in the 40 one day comp. The Friends Provident comp has 20. County has 18. The T20 had 20 I think.

 

[southernswannies]

All these suggestions are just a reshuffled version of their WC squad w/ Pietersen (not coming back) and Stokes. It's going to take more than that.