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Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 2
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If this is true its f***ing massive. Obviously Andrews wouldn't want to pile it on him at the moment re responsibility, but it has the capacity to be a true game changer.
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You’re the one hanging his hat on the promised surplus. You are the one who brought it up you peanut.
How so?
Nothing wrong with using security guards for stuff, it's just that you shouldn't be using them as the front line defence for the biggest health / economic emergency of our lives.
Everyone knows you use security guards as muscle to police the perimeter of property, but by and large aren't to be trusted. I even think corrections officers aren't the right approach. Police and ADF should be required by law after this.
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My first problem is that there are literally dozens of other questions that could have been asked but these patsy journalists stunk up the room for far too long when they were obviously getting nowhere.
And my other problem is with morons like you who completely misunderstand the point that is being made. Dan has plenty to answer for but these pretend reporters wasted the whole presser banging their ignorant heads against a wall. They spent literally the whole hour baiting him for a headline when there is a whole truckload of further information that a lot of people would like yet they didn't bother to ask those questions. Why? Because they were so hung up on chasing a headline that was never going to appear.
You might call it "journalism" but any reasonable person identifies it as muckraking.
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No, I would not say that. One is an ethical choice deliberately made by a minister - in line with NZ's minister who was sacked for flaunting the lockdown rules - the other is holding someone personally responsible for a decision they, in all likelihood, did not make. However, one decision has killed a lot a people, and the other hasn't - so I can see where others are coming from.
To use a hypothetical - if one person fails to do a proper head check before merging lanes and kills a cyclist, and someone else drives for an hour while completely wasted but doesn't hit anyone, who's done the worse thing?
This is true, but it's retrospective too. I bet we're paying the cleaners the usual bottom dollar but it's just gone under the radar because that's a less-provable source of infection.
In fairness, even I did not think that "don't stick your dick in the plague" was exactly a difficult instruction to understand, and I have a very poor opinion of the intelligence of humanity.
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In seriousness, I think there is a difference between:
- Those actions you cannot reasonably foresee, which increase COVID spread (for example, virus mutations drastically increasing transmissability)
- Those actions you can reasonably foresee but can't completely prevent within reason (for example, idiots trying to sneak through interstate border controls), and
- Those actions you can reasonably foresee and can prevent (such as gatherings in restaurants or public sport attendances).
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Unfortunately the rational approach taken by Brett thus far has dismally failed. I think its time for some more decisive action.
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I think the answer is obvious but Im not sure the relevance.
And given we are having the biggest medical outbreak in 100 years I would like to think the political leaders are keeping a close eye on their departments to ensure that the best response is being chosen.
Vic chose to go their own way and be different to the other states a few times and have massively paid the price in this case.
Asking why they went a different path is a perfectly valid question. And one which the Premier and Ministers are absolutely responsible for. And absolutely can and should answer.
They didnt explicitly cause the outbreak. But they did sign off on the rules which allowed it to happen.
We have rusted ons here trying to blame the Feds. Where do you think the blame lies? How far up the chain?
Daniel got a nice juicy $46,522 payrise last month.
When he says 'Staying apart keeps us together' he really means he and his ministers will keep their salaries but the rest of Victoria will have to part ways with theirs.
When he says 'Staying apart keeps us together' he really means he and his ministers will keep their salaries but the rest of Victoria will have to part ways with theirs.
I don't think anyone had the ADF guarding the hotel quarantine situation *until* this outbreak occurred?
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So many people just don't give two *s about this lockdown we are in it for the long haul
Police?
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When we can run up bills of hundreds of thousands each per year for asylum seekers, if the hotel quarantine was awarded on cost its a total s**t show
Yet the media vibe AT THAT TIME was heavy handed dan, chairman dan etc etc.
Which state, though? I believe that WA went private contractor and also had issues with it.
Umm. I’ll get back to you.
The buck stops with Daniel.
He just doesn't know where the buck stops or in fact who passed the buck. Moreover, he is not willing to answer questions about the buck.
He just doesn't know where the buck stops or in fact who passed the buck. Moreover, he is not willing to answer questions about the buck.
It's hard to find because there is so much noise when searching for information re ADF and police in hotels etc, but this is from a press release in NSW on Hotel Quarantine from May 8th, before the outbreak in Victoria linked to Hotel Quarantine (which is believed to have occurred about 2 weeks later).
Accommodation industry provides valuable quarantine help | NSW Government
Hotels in NSW have accommodated more than 13,000 people so far under quarantine arrangements introduced at the end of March 2020 to help contain COVID-19.
www.nsw.gov.au
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It's hard to find because there is so much noise when searching for information re ADF and police in hotels etc, but this is from a press release in NSW on Hotel Quarantine fromMay 8th, before the outbreak in Victoria linked to Hotel Quarantine (which is believed to have occurred about 2 weeks later).
Accommodation industry provides valuable quarantine help | NSW Government
Hotels in NSW have accommodated more than 13,000 people so far under quarantine arrangements introduced at the end of March 2020 to help contain COVID-19.
its definitely been made muddy as hell
off mem NSW had the photo of the private security dude sleeping in the hallway
given we use private security in prisons and onshore/offshore detention, i suspect noone would have blinked at using private security peeps until this blew up
one good thing that will come out of this is a review of the arrangements of outsourcing to these mobs. The issues have been mounting for years
It's something that the average person wouldn't even contemplate.
Things work until they no longer do. I don't think much about how the government runs it's prisons. but if a bunch of prisoners escaped I'd definitely have an opinion on it.
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its one thing i found funny about this. people were furious that the poorly trained security guard was shagging the covid peeps, but we have been charging prison security staff for shagging prisoners for years. everyone has a good laugh about that though, not any more...
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