Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

[Chief]

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[Kwality]

Same reason the state health department was completely unprepared for the virus. No one wants to pay to prepared for something that they never think will happen. Governments don't win elections raising taxes to pay for things like that

If there's quarantine, it should have always been run by the Commonwealth in a nationally co-ordinated way.

Spot on, see the Wuhan experience & the use of Christmas Island. Sadly the national cabinet wanted the States to run the show.
We had already seen how the States want to control the fire response & ignore State borders.

Remember one size does not fit all as demonstrated by the States recognising the difference between rural areas & capital cities. Nationally WA's successful template can not be applied to other States.

Now this unfortunate for 'the my mob is better than your mob' commentary that is run widely.

 

[Kwality]

Does this not show how susceptible we are to biological weapon attack if we don't even have the national resources to respond to a pesky Coronavirus? What would happen if somebody sets off a deliberate biological weapon in a city?

What precisely would our military-trained medical officers be waiting for, if not this type of national disaster? Still waiting for the Bosch?

Do you want the Feds to bring in the military & over ride the States?

I accept what happened in Melbourne was close to martial law, but thats very different to the Feds rolling in the tanks (sic).
You only have to look back at the Lindt Cafe seige when NSW refused the offer from the Feds of military specialists.

Certainly need to review the Fed/State relationship in terms of stress/emergency.

 

[Saint]

Do you want the Feds to bring in the military & over ride the States?

I accept what happened in Melbourne was close to martial law, but thats very different to the Feds rolling in the tanks (sic).
You only have to look back at the Lindt Cafe seige when NSW refused the offer from the Feds of military specialists.

Certainly need to review the Fed/State relationship in terms of stress/emergency.

There's a quarantine problem. Outbreaks every couple of weeks.

If the Feds said "we'll set up a camp or camps and run the quarantine and organise the international flights" then the States I'm sure would be happy (or they should be).

NONE of the states are doing quarantine well. The plan is flawed because of so many touch-points in such crowded areas and with staff coming from all over big crowded cities to service them. In my profession, if we set up a system which failed so often we'd be out of a job.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Do you want the Feds to bring in the military & over ride the States?

I accept what happened in Melbourne was close to martial law, but thats very different to the Feds rolling in the tanks (sic).
You only have to look back at the Lindt Cafe seige when NSW refused the offer from the Feds of military specialists.

Certainly need to review the Fed/State relationship in terms of stress/emergency.

We wouldn't necessarily need armed troops like TAG East for pandemic carework but the Australian Army Medical Corps would be handy, plus all the logistical expertise army/naval/airforce transport might bring to the field.

 

[Kwality]

the States I'm sure would be happy (or they should be).

The States 'should be' is very different to reality.

 

[Kwality]

We wouldn't necessarily need armed troops like TAG East for pandemic carework but the Australian Army Medical Corps would be handy, plus all the logistical expertise army/naval/airforce transport might bring to the field.

The offers have been there: yes/no ? Army personnel were manning roadblocks on 'the ring of steel' protecting rural Vic from Melbourne & more specialised staff were utilised & rightly so.

The Feds running the show has been rejected time & time again, the fires, floods, not just Covid.

Why would WA want Canberra running its response is the cleanest example of why the Feds should be facilitators NOT managers in the pandemic, warts & all.

 

[Evolved1]

The offers have been there: yes/no ? Army personnel were manning roadblocks on 'the ring of steel' protecting rural Vic from Melbourne & more specialised staff were utilised & rightly so.

The Feds running the show has been rejected time & time again, the fires, floods, not just Covid.

Why would WA want Canberra running its response is the cleanest example of why?

Our nation should be rebranded as the United States of Australia.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The offers have been there: yes/no ?
The Feds running the show has been rejected time & time again, the fires, floods, not just Covid.

Why would WA want Canberra running its response is the cleanest example of why?

I don't know. See, to me it's reasonable that Australia tackles this as a group effort. During the bushfires for instance all those people trapped in Mallacoota might have been f*cked if the naval supply ship Choules wasn't there to sealift them all out of there.

Navy arrives to help thousands stranded in Mallacoota amid State of Disaster

The HMAS Choules was seen arriving amid a smoke haze in preparation to help around 1000 people to safety. The voyage will take up to 20 hours.

7news.com.au

Local. State. Federal. There should be no shame in sharing the load in times of crisis.

 

[eddiesmith]

I don't know. See, to me it's reasonable that Australia tackles this as a group effort. During the bushfires for instance all those people trapped in Mallacoota might have been f*cked if the naval supply ship Choules wasn't there to sealift them all out of there.

Navy arrives to help thousands stranded in Mallacoota amid State of Disaster

The HMAS Choules was seen arriving amid a smoke haze in preparation to help around 1000 people to safety. The voyage will take up to 20 hours.

7news.com.au

Local. State. Federal. There should be no shame in sharing the load in times of crisis.

That’s what’s so funny about Dans response in the hq inquiry.

In January he gets up and says he called the PM and asked for ADF support and it was given. Yet 3 months later he doesn’t ask because he didn’t believe it was available...

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

That’s what’s so funny about Dans response in the hq inquiry.

In January he gets up and says he called the PM and asked for ADF support and it was given. Yet 3 months later he doesn’t ask because he didn’t believe it was available...

Yeah. Some things still don't add up about that. As far as I know Federal resources should generally be available in a crisis if asked for. The bushfires were far more immediately destructive for sure, but this covid crisis is no less of a national emergency.

I can't see the A.D.F saying 'no'.

 

[Saint]

The offers have been there: yes/no ? Army personnel were manning roadblocks on 'the ring of steel' protecting rural Vic from Melbourne & more specialised staff were utilised & rightly so.

The Feds running the show has been rejected time & time again, the fires, floods, not just Covid.

Why would WA want Canberra running its response is the cleanest example of why the Feds should be facilitators NOT managers in the pandemic, warts & all.

The feds haven't offered to run quarantine as far as I'm aware. And it's not like they'd even have to ask, they have the power to run quarantine already. There are Border Force in every International Airport which are all Commonwealth facilities. Before you get let into Vic or NSW from overseas, Border Force have to let you in.

They quarantine people with other contagious diseases, always have done since federation.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The offers have been there: yes/no ? Army personnel were manning roadblocks on 'the ring of steel' protecting rural Vic from Melbourne & more specialised staff were utilised & rightly so.

The Feds running the show has been rejected time & time again, the fires, floods, not just Covid.

Why would WA want Canberra running its response is the cleanest example of why the Feds should be facilitators NOT managers in the pandemic, warts & all.

Actually I agree with the bolded. Local knowledge knows local conditions best, so any Federal assistance should take direction from those in the know - the local authorities. I understand noses might get out of joint involving anything with a chain-of-command structure but there is a bigger picture here that doesn't need that kind of s**t in its foreground.

 

[William Wonka]

The feds haven't offered to run quarantine as far as I'm aware. And it's not like they'd even have to ask, they have the power to run quarantine already. There are Border Force in every International Airport which are all Commonwealth facilities. Before you get let into Vic or NSW from overseas, Border Force have to let you in.

They quarantine people with other contagious diseases, always have done since federation.

"We decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come"

Any covid infected individual who sets foot on Australian soil arrives courtesy of the federal government.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

"We decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come"

Any covid infected individual who sets foot on Australian soil arrives courtesy of the federal government.

Too right. They must come through a Federal border with their particulars ready for inspection by the Federal outfit known as Border Force, and must complete an incoming passenger card and a Federal Customs/Quarantine declaration.

All ouside disease vectors (such as tennis players) can only come inside over the Federal border.

 

[eddiesmith]

The feds haven't offered to run quarantine as far as I'm aware. And it's not like they'd even have to ask, they have the power to run quarantine already. There are Border Force in every International Airport which are all Commonwealth facilities. Before you get let into Vic or NSW from overseas, Border Force have to let you in.

They quarantine people with other contagious diseases, always have done since federation.

Yet all decisions in this crisis have been made by a national cabinet which the PM is one voice.

If the six premiers went to National Cabinet and said we don’t want to run hq, then the Feds would have to or shut the border completely.

Yet in March last year everyone was lauding hotel quarantine because they all thought it was Danny’s idea and he was running the country. Until he was the only one who completely ****ed it up...

 

[swingdog]

I don't know. See, to me it's reasonable that Australia tackles this as a group effort. During the bushfires for instance all those people trapped in Mallacoota might have been f*cked if the naval supply ship Choules wasn't there to sealift them all out of there.

Navy arrives to help thousands stranded in Mallacoota amid State of Disaster

The HMAS Choules was seen arriving amid a smoke haze in preparation to help around 1000 people to safety. The voyage will take up to 20 hours.

7news.com.au

Local. State. Federal. There should be no shame in sharing the load in times of crisis.

That all works when the states and feds are in alignment on what to do. Natural disasters are relatively straightforward (put out the fire, save people, rebuild etc.).

We've had this split in the pandemic for the same reason we don't have a national energy policy - the states and the feds are on completely different paths about what should be done.

 

[Saint]

If the six premiers went to National Cabinet and said we don’t want to run hq, then the Feds would have to or shut the border completely.

The states would be worried that the Feds would take the 3rd option pursued by other similar populist Federal Governments, that of just letting the infection run its course which hits the States' health systems. So it would be all care, no responsibility for the Commonwealth Government. We checked their temperature and they're all fine, carry on. Exact scenario playing out in the USA.

And everybody knows Morrison and Dutton couldn't run a chook raffle, let alone leave your health system prone to their bumbling ways.

 

[Kwality]

I suspect that compliance doesn't improve with zero tolerance policing.

The vaccine will be next compliance issue.

 

[Kwality]

Most of the anti AUS Open crowd is just violent racists getting a free pass to share their racist views in public without any recourse

They are having a field day with it

these racists, you seek them here, you seek them there .... is it tennis that brings them out
OR
are these racists just anyone who doesnt share your view ?

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

What an absolute tool is Bautista Agut. His country has lost 54,000 of its cits to Covid. * off back home you twat.

Fortunately not all the players are mental dwarfs. Kudos to Victoria Azarenka. Go well.

 

[eddiesmith]

The states would be worried that the Feds would take the 3rd option pursued by other similar populist Federal Governments, that of just letting the infection run its course which hits the States' health systems. So it would be all care, no responsibility for the Commonwealth Government. We checked their temperature and they're all fine, carry on. Exact scenario playing out in the USA.

And everybody knows Morrison and Dutton couldn't run a chook raffle, let alone leave your health system prone to their bumbling ways.

But then if Victoria can shut its border to NSW and SA, they can surely refuse to let anyone in?

 

[Kwality]

Exact scenario playing out in the USA.

The States run the response, is that what you are trying to say?

 

[FIGJAM]

Azurenka's last paragraph is a pisser! She's been reliably informed about the Dictator!!

 

[Saint]

The States run the response, is that what you are trying to say?

The States doing the best they can despite the Federal Government offering little to no support in the areas for which it is responsible. So no reason to think they would do better with more responsibility.

 

[Saint]

Farm worker shortage is now also Dan Andrews' fault apparently.

Farmers accuse Premier of ignoring 'letter after letter' on worker shortage

Daniel Andrews has dashed hopes of a last-minute plan to fly in thousands of seasonal workers and salvage what the agricultural sector says is a harvest season verging on crisis.

www.theage.com.au

I mean, the man must be a machine to be responsible for so many things.

I mean quarantine, Industrial relations, import/export tariffs and regulations are all Commonwealth responsibilities, but jeez, Dan Andrews has really let down the farmers.

I'm surprised they're not accusing him of not picking and packing enough vegies personally.

They want to spend thousands on flights and accom because they don't want to pay local workers a couple of dollars more an hour.

Sheeeet, I've been out to the berry farms most of lockdown, people are happy to pick their own fruit and veg. It's almost like the farmers miss exploiting seasonal workers.