Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Rachel (?) was spot on with this line of questioning. You can't be going easy on people who break the rules for weeks - and then start coming down like a tonne of bricks on groups of people gathering because they are being lax in following the rules. You set the rules, you have to enforce them - or else people won't follow them. No good getting pissy about it now.

If people are lying to you/not telling the truth, then you go harder - higher penalties for lying. If you are gonna be a dictator, do it properly.

It's like the really cool, chill teacher who doesn't enforce classroom rules so the kids walk over him - until one day he just ******* snaps and starts yelling and blaming the kids for not listening to him. At that point, you've already lost the students and you may as well pack up shop.

I think the harder rules are good now - but at least admit some blame for why people were gathering in that manner in the first place.

I mentioned this last night.

The calculation isn't $1k for telling the truth, or $10k for lying.

It's $1k for the truth, and $0 if I get away with it.
 

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I have no issues with the GF in Perth. Will be great to have a packed Optus Stadium, even if it happens to be 2 Melbourne teams in it.
That's what is going to happen to other businesses in Victoria... head elsewhere or close up shop. You can't reliably run a business with Andrews calling the shots.
 

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Do we need a carrot and stick approach...whereby if you do the right thing, you are rewarded...like say financially. And if you do the wrong thing you are penalised..but not financially.
Carrot - who is paying? Taxpayers who have had their businesses destroyed by this cretin of a Premier?

Stick - only a court can impose a penalty (as ruled by the High Court). Let's flood the courts with petty matters so it can't deal with real crimes... can't see how that could possibly fail.
 
When your policy/response can be brought crashing down by one single individual doing the wrong thing then you're in for a very hard time.

The fact we're over 18 months into this and still doing the same thing over and over again is frustrating. Covid specific wards should have been set up in the beginning (anyone know what Hospitals actually did during the initial lockdowns to "prepare"?). These could have been done in conjunction with the ADF.

Hotel Quarantine is the obvious one we all know. Vaccines again, we all know.

There should be tonnes and tonnes of advice/programs set up in regards to physical fitness, which is everyones best chance of beating the virus if you catch it but it seems we are just happy to let the bottle shops keep trading and uber eats ourselves into obesity whilst being void of any personal responsibility.
Can answer the hospital question to an extent
- yes we got funding to develop covid protocols eg how to safely intubate a potentially infectious patient
- got some extra staffing to cover for potential furlough
- allocated a ward as specific covid ward (noted that this was when WHO were telling everyone it was mostly droplet spread except for when you do aerosol procedure)
This ward was not a new build so allocated out of existing stock
- held elective surgery

What happened?
- actual ED presentation dropped so less people in hospital
- locally we did have large staff furlough due to community transmission to hospital worker
- covid wards had to be repurposed as other presentations returned
- elective surgery restarted
- outpatient appointments still impacted by covid safe protocols (certain amount must be Telehealth which is ok for some specialists but pretty s**t for others eg ortho, plastics, psych)
- extra funding ran out
 
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I think the vic public needs more confidence in border controls. With the last few lockdowns caused by “essential spreaders”, it just seems inevitable that there will be more to come.

Asking the public to do the hard yards will not work, while there is no guarantee the result will be protected.
 

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I was at a park yesterday, letting the little one have a swing and slide. One family had brought along a picnic table, had a cake, sweets and drinks set up; looked to be a birthday party.

There were about 8-10 kids clearly connected to this running around. There were also a similar of adults, presumably these kids' parents, gathered around. None of them wore masks. Clearly, these people were just taking the piss.

Sadly I get the distinct feeling this sort of scene was not particularly uncommon around town over the weekend. So while I hate the playground ban, I can see how it's come to pass; people are just not doing the right thing.
What has humanity come to when we disavow celebrating the birth and life of a child?

Apparently lockdowns have had a measurable difference on the development of children: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds

People should go about living their lives without unreasonable government interference. Even with higher vaccination rates the virus will circulate similar to influenza. Policies should align with reality and not a fantasy.
 
What has humanity come to when we disavow celebrating the birth and life of a child?

Apparently lockdowns have had a measurable difference on the development of children: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds

People should go about living their lives without unreasonable government interference. Even with higher vaccination rates the virus will circulate similar to influenza. Policies should align with reality and not a fantasy.
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Rachel (?) was spot on with this line of questioning. You can't be going easy on people who break the rules for weeks - and then start coming down like a tonne of bricks on groups of people gathering because they are being lax in following the rules. You set the rules, you have to enforce them - or else people won't follow them. No good getting pissy about it now.

If people are lying to you/not telling the truth, then you go harder - higher penalties for lying. If you are gonna be a dictator, do it properly.

It's like the really cool, chill teacher who doesn't enforce classroom rules so the kids walk over him - until one day he just ******* snaps and starts yelling and blaming the kids for not listening to him. At that point, you've already lost the students and you may as well pack up shop.

I think the harder rules are good now - but at least admit some blame for why people were gathering in that manner in the first place.


I think The Cryptkeeper and i have discussed this, in a court of law you get a discount for telling the truth and admitting guilt, you still get punished though, this far in you should know the deal by now unless you've been living in a cave.
 
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It’s 4 months away with a clear end in sight now. People aren’t that dumb.


however if the clear end in sight is taken away then that’s another story.

I don't have your confidence. These capricious *sticks will find a reason to place us in these lock-downs/curfews/home imprisonment merry-go-round for some reason indefinitely. Then many people will end up killing themselves because there is no healthy release of this world. How is that saving lives? There is going to be an immense mental pandemic, quite possibly running concurrently, with COVID.
 
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Without assigning any blame, or making criticism of anyone, whether private citizen or elected official, let's all take a deep breath and read this sentence.

Currently, doing the right thing means denying a child a celebration of their birthday.

So, let's try to be nicer to each other, eh? Things are tough, and what we can all try to do is be a bit nicer to each other.
 
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This tweet is the HUN's "correction" to their article yesterday.
Owner of pub said that he has already lost bookings/functions/reputation etc.
Dare say Rohan won't be welcome back!
 

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That's what is going to happen to other businesses in Victoria... head elsewhere or close up shop. You can't reliably run a business with Andrews calling the shots.

The trouble is big business is generally doing fine and small businesses that are getting hard hit don’t have the capacity to move.

I’m amazed the fact that big business interests are screwing over small businesses (even more than usual) through their influence upon Covid policy hasn’t come under more scrutiny.
 

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Without assigning any blame, or making criticism of anyone, whether private citizen or elected official, let's all take a deep breath and read this sentence.

Currently, doing the right thing means denying a child a celebration of their birthday.

So, let's try to be nicer to each other, eh? Things are tough, and what we can all try to do is be a bit nicer to each other.

Lol, chaos is coming
 
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Intelligent response. You forgot the #istandbydan hash tag.

Off to the park now with the kids.


you do understand that civic duty sometimes goes beyond paying your taxes?


no one likes this but if you think opening everything up and letting it rip is the best thing to do, then I don't know what else to say - it's not all about you
 

So I have an almost 4 year old and an almost 2 year old.
I have been to the same playground for the past 2 weekends. Less adults wearing masks, and clearly groups of people meeting up with their kids.
Even yesterday I saw a group who had clearly organised a birthday given there were presents and the like.

As hard as it is with young kids to keep them entertained over the weekend, i'd much prefer this than the alternative. We can still take our kids out to get exercise and fresh air without playgrounds.
 
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As hard as it is with young kids to keep them entertained over the weekend, i'd much prefer this than the alternative. We can still take our kids out to get exercise and fresh air without playgrounds.
Yep take a ball along, a frisbee, play tag etc. heaps of things you can do with the kids without using the playgrounds.

Bring a couple of old pillow cases and let them try a sack race.
 
That's what is going to happen to other businesses in Victoria... head elsewhere or close up shop. You can't reliably run a business with Andrews calling the shots.

How about we let it rip like in NSW.......
 
I think The Cryptkeeper and i have discussed this, in a court of law you get a discount for telling the truth and admitting guilt, you still get punished though, this far in you should know the deal by now unless you've been living in a cave.

the difference is you are in the cop shop, you are there because the cops are investigating you and they think you have ****ed up

the vast majority of people speaking to the contact tracers have done zero wrong and nearly all will be given a pass (because they test negative, or were outside infectious period, or were not breaking any rules)

so you were weighing up a strong likelihood of getting away with it - as long as you have no paper trail

for example, why would I admit to being 6km away from home to hook up with my mistress? in your book I not only get a $1600 fine, I have the joy of ******* up my marriage. Much better to roll the dice and keep her out of it
 
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