Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

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William Wonka

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See the “all cops are bad” argument falls down because I can find many examples of good cops. I can’t find examples of “good criminals” then you get *silly people who shoot people (sure maybe shot another criminal but that’s vigilante justice not due process) then steal cars and destroy them (happened today)

I don’t need to show that EVERY cop is good. But the ACAB argument needs to show they are all bad.
This.

Also lots of the work cops do has nothing to do with law enforcement and all about community service.
I'm sure you have come across many examples in your work as have I.

There are good people who have committed crimes for worthy reasons but I agree anyone who you would classify as a criminal is at best a selfish a-hole.
ACAB is real because the institution of policing is the problem.

The job is the problem.

There are people in jail for unpaid fines, they are classes as criminals.

There are people in jail because they got picked up by the cops on the streets and have nowhere to go so don't get released untill the charges are heard.

Often we're talking mental health issues and/or addiction issues that lead to homelessness

The job makes them bastards, it's a requirement, it didn't matter how good they are off duty
You have stepped over to issues with the legal system here rather than Coppers themselves.

Also to go to get locked up for unpaid fines you would have to try really really really hard.
Often folks who are doing time for actual crimes will wipe their fines while they are there but that's very very different
 

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Protestors still being annoying over the weekend, we cant seem to escape them any time we go to the city on a weekend. Did have a good chuckle though, i think the police outnumbered the protestors, maybe 50 at the most beating their drums and singing.....idiots
 

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This.

Also lots of the work cops do has nothing to do with law enforcement and all about community service.
I'm sure you have come across many examples in your work as have I.

There are good people who have committed crimes for worthy reasons but I agree anyone who you would classify as a criminal is at best a selfish a-hole.

You have stepped over to issues with the legal system here rather than Coppers themselves.

Also to go to get locked up for unpaid fines you would have to try really really really hard.
Often folks who are doing time for actual crimes will wipe their fines while they are there but that's very very different
Hey Wonka, guess what.
ACAB means ACAB
Cops are a part of the legal system
Also to get locked up for unpaid fines youve just got to be poor and not white, bonus points for being Indigenous, maximum points for also being a woman.
 

William Wonka

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Hey Wonka, guess what.
ACAB means ACAB
Cops are a part of the legal system
Also to get locked up for unpaid fines youve just got to be poor and not white, bonus points for being Indigenous, maximum points for also being a woman.
And what a ridiculous umbrella statement it is too.
Might as well say all Lawyers are crooks or all Judges are senile.


There are some really bad cops for sure but for every one of these there is an absolute selfless hero.
Most fall somewhere in the middle but I would suggest that most contribute more good by far than many posting ACAB.

I'm not for one second suggesting you are one of these btw.
Im sure you yourself are the sort of tireless worker in the community, foster parent to dozens, kidney doner etc. that is able to cast aspersions on people who put their life on the line for others.
 

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And what a ridiculous umbrella statement it is too.
Might as well say all Lawyers are crooks or all Judges are senile.


There are some really bad cops for sure but for every one of these there is an absolute selfless hero.
Most fall somewhere in the middle but I would suggest that most contribute more good by far than many posting ACAB.

I'm not for one second suggesting you are one of these btw.
Im sure you yourself are the sort of tireless worker in the community, foster parent to dozens, kidney doner etc. that is able to cast aspersions on people who put their life on the line for others.
I think you'll find that its a pretty well recognised umbrella statement for the left, but I wouldn't expect you to get that
 

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I think you'll find that its a pretty well recognised umbrella statement for the left, but I wouldn't expect you to get that
"I'll sing you a song and it won't take long..."

Every fibre of my being is Left friend.
 

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"I'll sing you a song and it won't take long..."

Every fibre of my being is Left friend.
dude you post racist s**t all the time, you're not a lefty though you might be a small L liberal

I mean you like cops and you think Indigenous people should just get over it, so yeah
 

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It is a dumbass umbrella statement. Similar to “all on the dole are useless bludgers” from the right.
And about as helpful.
It's a political fact and how the colonial system is built. It's a global issue, not a Victorian one so I'm about done with the topic here, other than to point out that VicPol 100% fit the bill as an organisation
 

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I find it hard to believe that there isn't one policeman in existence whose death would make the world a worse place. There's gotta be at least one.
 

William Wonka

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dude you post racist s**t all the time, you're not a lefty though you might be a small L liberal

I mean you like cops and you think Indigenous people should just get over it, so yeah
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Yeah carltonchelsea and I often meet up at the local Polo club to raise a glass of Grange in honour of Menzies and Howard.
Think you are confusing lefty with 'soft****' there.

I'm a true egalitarian like everyone from the Left should be and would never judge someone by the colour of their skin.

I will however happily call out *ed up behaviour from any cultural or religious group when and if I see it unlike many of the 'hypocritical nu left' who's only contribution to the cause is a bit of virtue signalling on twitter.


Only thing I ever suggested re. Aboriginals is the narrative of activists should move on from events that occurred prior to the Napoleonic wars, mainly as its a distraction from the issues of today.
But the nu left will happily keep the focus on it as somehow being the issue rather than kids being blinded by Trachoma in Tennant Creek right here and now.


Anyway this is the DAN! thread so I should really be laughing at the flogs here that have accused me of being that well known RWNJ PRguy17 over the journey.
 

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Yeah carltonchelsea and I often meet up at the local Polo club to raise a glass of Grange in honour of Menzies and Howard.
Think you are confusing lefty with 'soft****' there.

I'm a true egalitarian like everyone from the Left should be and would never judge someone by the colour of their skin.

I will however happily call out ducked up behaviour from any cultural or religious group when and if I see it unlike many of the 'hypocritical nu left' who's only contribution to the cause is a bit of virtue signalling on twitter.


Only thing I ever suggested re. Aboriginals is the narrative of activists should move on from events that occurred prior to the Napoleonic wars, mainly as its a distraction from the issues of today.
But the nu left will happily keep the focus on it as somehow being the issue rather than kids being blinded by Trachoma in Tennant Creek right here and now.


Anyway this is the DAN! thread so I should really be laughing at the flogs here that have accused me of being that well known RWNJ PRguy17 over the journey.
Yep, we certainly do, and we make fun of my aboriginal ancestry and stick William and Kate masks on whilst we run down Swanston st playing “Solid Rock” on didge throwing Jeff Kennetts golly wogs, screaming at the top of our lungs that Albo should “go eat a dick” at the crowds cheering us on like AC/DC!
 

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