Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

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THe only reason Andrews takes this rise is that he knows as we all do it has a disruptive influence on society in general. He is happy because he knows his union mates will feel duty bound to cause disruption/strikes to obtain 2-3% increases for the workforce. It is UNAustralian of Andrews to take an increase if he had any credibility at all he would not accept it. Who are these FW sitting on an independant panel handing out a 12% wage increase. Who are they? What are they paid and who sets their remuneration. Like the AFL this stinks of corruption. It is a place where Socialism and Pragmatism are a poor mix.
 

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THe only reason Andrews takes this rise is that he knows as we all do it has a disruptive influence on society in general. He is happy because he knows his union mates will feel duty bound to cause disruption/strikes to obtain 2-3% increases for the workforce. It is UNAustralian of Andrews to take an increase if he had any credibility at all he would not accept it.
NSWCROW we need your one liner here :p
 

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Well that's ok then because he's a lib and it's ok if the libs do it
Its ok to take a bare minimum pay rise of 2%, absolutely. Taking 12% when all the hard working people who keep this state safe are being offered peanuts is a disgrace. But its typical of a union, talk up how much they want to gain extra money for their members, fail but get a pay rise themselves...
 

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Well that's ok then because he's a lib and it's ok if the libs do it
I'd say it's ok because it's a pay rise that is in line with inflation and lower than the standard annual increase built into a number of award agreements.

I don't think the Vic issue is as partisan as some people are trying to make it. There is pressure on both sides to take something lower than has been recommended.
 

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Well that's ok then because he's a lib and it's ok if the libs do it
Well down here you can argue about what Dans is doing, but he is doing it & aint going anywhere because the other mob are moving so slowly & most Victorians know it

Melbourne may have more hipster cafes, crowds at the footy and bars that open after midnight but in a crucial respect it’s a least a “decade behind” its big rival Sydney.

And that’s not the opinion of smug Sydneysiders, it’s the judgement of two prominent Melburnians, including Federal Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population, Alan Tudge.
The infrastructure backlog would hamper efforts for Melbourne, which has some of the highest growth in Australia, to cope with a swelling population.

Another speaker at the event said Melbourne was one to two “economic cycles” behind Sydney and was still focused on its crowded CBD core while Sydney was making progress in decentralising and de-congesting the city.

IF Melbourne is to fix it, Dan will fix it, & I dont even like him.
 

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Last year the two parties had two competing ideas on how to deal with overpopulation and infrastructure.

The opposition proposed to decentralise the population.

The government proposed to build more central infrastructure.

The people in Melbourne voted for the infrastructure to be built where they are, rather than a plan to build the infrastructure elsewhere and then move them to it.
 

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Well down here you can argue about what Dans is doing, but he is doing it & aint going anywhere because the other mob are moving so slowly & most Victorians know it

Melbourne may have more hipster cafes, crowds at the footy and bars that open after midnight but in a crucial respect it’s a least a “decade behind” its big rival Sydney.

And that’s not the opinion of smug Sydneysiders, it’s the judgement of two prominent Melburnians, including Federal Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population, Alan Tudge.
The infrastructure backlog would hamper efforts for Melbourne, which has some of the highest growth in Australia, to cope with a swelling population.

Another speaker at the event said Melbourne was one to two “economic cycles” behind Sydney and was still focused on its crowded CBD core while Sydney was making progress in decentralising and de-congesting the city.

IF Melbourne is to fix it, Dan will fix it, & I dont even like him.
I've always said decentralisation needs to happen to take the weight off the city, but at least these rail improvements will help ease congestion in the medium term I feel

But yeah, starts with big business for mine, it needs to shift away to the suburbs/regional areas.
 

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Last year the two parties had two competing ideas on how to deal with overpopulation and infrastructure.

The opposition proposed to decentralise the population.

The government proposed to build more central infrastructure.

The people in Melbourne voted for the infrastructure to be built where they are, rather than a plan to build the infrastructure elsewhere and then move them to it.
The only major infrastructure proposals I saw from the LNP was east west link and high speed country rail
 

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The only major infrastructure proposals I saw from the LNP was east west link and high speed country rail
There was also a plan to "grade-separate" major road intersections. Regardless of how wise you thought something like this was, it was a project costed at a significant amount of money.
 

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I've always said decentralisation needs to happen to take the weight off the city, but at least these rail improvements will help ease congestion in the medium term I feel

But yeah, starts with big business for mine, it needs to shift away to the suburbs/regional areas.
Big business such as? You want office towers (the people, the jobs) relocated?
 

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Big business such as? You want office towers (the people, the jobs) relocated?
Some yes, not all, unrealistic

But it starts with them imo, all for moving some out to the suburbs or regional cities like Geelong (how many people come over the Westgate from out that way for work for example?)

Can't decentralise if everyone wants to live close to work for convenience/urban lifestyle or if a large majority of jobs are in the city, something has to give otherwise it won't ever. Investment in more white collar jobs has to be outside of the city, not putting more in the city to help in this regard imo.

In the burbs/regional cities they're fine for things like retail, hospitality, trade, public services etc, white collar jobs, not really, just small/medium business I'd imagine.
 

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There was also a plan to "grade-separate" major road intersections. Regardless of how wise you thought something like this was, it was a project costed at a significant amount of money.
I guess it'd help on some busy roads, only really see them on freeways

Turn Melbourne into LA :p

Dans level crossing removals probably in a similar boat to that though

What roads would've been targeted had Guy won?
 

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I guess it'd help on some busy roads, only really see them on freeways

Turn Melbourne into LA :p

Dans level crossing removals probably in a similar boat to that though

What roads would've been targeted had Guy won?
I think there were something like 50 intersections across Melbourne and Geelong.
 

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There was also a plan to "grade-separate" major road intersections. Regardless of how wise you thought something like this was, it was a project costed at a significant amount of money.
And utterly pointless.

The weird thing about roads is that if you upgrade them, more people use them... which means that you end up with no net benefit. It takes just as long to get anywhere, and you have the environmental cost of more cars on the road.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the weird thing about public transport is that very few people want to actually use it - in a perfect world, the roads are great, and the cost of parking isn't prohibitive. But we don't live in that perfect world, so you never end up with more than critical mass by upgrading public transport, and you benefit more people while also achieving an environmental benefit.

I don't think the Libs intersection removal strategy got enough traction that it factored into the election result last year. But it was probably just as well that no one paid any attention to it, cos it was a pretty ridiculous thought bubble that turned into an election policy.
 

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