Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

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279 new cases on Sunday, 177 on Monday, 276 today. Is it a sign that the lockdown strategy isn’t working, and maybe start looking at the Swedish model instead when dealing with Coronavirus in Melbourne and especially Victoria?


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1) one has been partly investigated, the other only just started

2) libs killed the issue of ministerial responsibility under howard, and every govt since then has followed suite. we've been trained to blame the faceless official and not the poli

NSW had a Minister resign because he went to his Central Coast holiday home with his family *before* our lockdown started.

So sometimes we still take accountability too far. It was silly pandering to media looking for drama.

Our patient zero turns out to be a guy from Melbourne. I imagine our borders will shut tight soon.
 

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Only if sick Victorians keep coming here.

Victorian incompetence is 100% why NSW is now struggling.

TBH its not incompetence, its arrogance

people crossing the border against the rules or leaving melbourne metro against the lockdown are just selfish and arrogant
 
TBH its not incompetence, its arrogance

people crossing the border against the rules or leaving melbourne metro against the lockdown are just selfish and arrogant

Incompetence saw it spread from OS travellers.

Arrogance has seen it spread throughout the state and in to other states.
 
Of course there won’t be any! As it’s the way things work in Commrad Dans Socialist Victopia

Andrew's doesn't control the police. They could announce an investigation at anytime. Its got nothing to do with Andrew's. The police could announce an investigation themselves. They need to. Its actually very weak on the behalf of the Victorian Police, and I won't sink the boots into Andrew's here. Vic Police could call for an investigation and they should. Its actually pathetic they haven't
 
Spot on.

And even if he fined every single person who attended, the result regarding transmission or non-transmission would have been exactly the same, though I will concede that it seems that one cluster is now linked to someone at that event.

However, the mouth-breathers who think that a potential fine was going to be any sort of deterrent are the same people who believe that capital punishment is also a deterrent. People will either choose to do the right thing or they won't. The threat of a $1600 fine or whatever it was is an irrelevance.

Increasing the pain in the hip pocket modified my parking habits in the CBD after a couple of expensive events.
 
Only if sick Victorians keep coming here.

Victorian incompetence is 100% why NSW is now struggling.

And it was NSW in competence with the Ruby Princess that got every state first. People in glass house and all that :rolleyes:

I do not like what NSW are doing. If this is all from Vic's stuff up then we need to put the Genie in the bottle with whatever it takes and then go again.

The alternative is closed state borders for a very long time.
 
Andrew's doesn't control the police. They could announce an investigation at anytime. Its got nothing to do with Andrew's. The police could announce an investigation themselves. They need to. Its actually very weak on the behalf of the Victorian Police, and I won't sink the boots into Andrew's here. Vic Police could call for an investigation and they should. Its actually pathetic they haven't

What can Vic Police investigate?

Has there been a crime committed? :huh:
 

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They haven't been arguing against that at all

And these deals were in the media at the time

The only thing they have pushed back against is more private prisons

Here is Daniel Andrews, railing against privitisation:


The ALP have been pretty consistent in their rhetoric since 1992 on this sort of stuff.

And consistent since 1999 in behaving in almost an entirely antithetical way to their rhetoric.

They had a government-owned option to provide security for hotel quarantine. They chose private businesses instead.
 
Here is Daniel Andrews, railing against privitisation:


The ALP have been pretty consistent in their rhetoric since 1992 on this sort of stuff.

And consistent since 1999 in behaving in almost an entirely antithetical way to their rhetoric.

They had a government-owned option to provide security for hotel quarantine. They chose private businesses instead.

where in that is he saying he will stop using the private sector for security services??? did you even read the article, its about power generation, and the issue there is the private sector dont want to spend billions on new generation. it doesnt cost billions to run security, so not surprisingly there are a number of global firms competing in this space in victoria.
 
What can Vic Police investigate?

Has there been a crime committed? :huh:

Be easy to confirm they (VicPol) were tasked the hotel quarantine & said no, was it the Commisser, the Union or the Minister.

Save Justice Coate the public circus runaround .... move on to who ended up performing the task ??
 
Increasing the pain in the hip pocket modified my parking habits in the CBD after a couple of expensive events.

And knowing that there was the death penalty for drug smuggling didn’t stop the Bali 9 from strapping a heap of gear to themselves and trying to fly out of Indonesia.
 
Be easy to confirm they (VicPol) were tasked the hotel quarantine & said no, was it the Commisser, the Union or the Minister.

Save Justice Coate the public circus runaround .... move on to who ended up performing the task ??

It is understandable the police said no - they have a fair bit on their plate already in a completely new environment plus their normal duties.

Police should not have to babysit returned travellers and quite frankly it is a complete waste of resources if they did.

Ultimately the problem is this was not that hard a job. It is a clear brief and individuals have failed in delivering that brief. It is a failure of private security companies who no doubt used some sort of labour hire arrangement to fill the positions.

The failure by government is that they did not identify this risk and they did not monitor it properly.

Private security should have been able to do this job.
 
Here's Andrews railing against hospital "privatisation":


BTW, the reforms introduced by Kennett into how public hospitals are funded meant more patients got treated for less money and Casemix funding is now used the world over.

But security guards, keeping people with a deadly pathogen away from the rest of population? Contract that out.
 
Here's Andrews railing against hospital "privatisation":


BTW, the reforms introduced by Kennett into how public hospitals are funded meant more patients got treated for less money and Casemix funding is now used the world over.

But security guards, keeping people with a deadly pathogen away from the rest of population? Contract that out.

yes, because they are different things with different risk factors

you cant be this simple
 
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