Considering it started before the last election, how exactly would the libs make headway?
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Considering it started before the last election, how exactly would the libs make headway?
telsor
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Pretty sure the state government wasn't backing the UFU to takeover the CFA before the last state election.
Mind you, how bad must this deal be....Sack the board, handpick the replacements and they still wont sign the bloody thing!
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/c...o-endorse-workplace-deal-20160808-gqnsxe.html
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...million-leaked-documents-20160806-gqmmli.html
Daniel Andrews' contentious deal with the militant firefighters' union could end up costing taxpayers nearly $700 million, with leaked documents suggesting the Premier may have misled Parliament – and the public – about the true price of the agreement.
Victoria's financial watchdog will be called to investigate, after Fairfax Media obtained figures estimating that the cost of the industrial deal could be in the order of at least $663 million – dramatically higher than the $160 million figure previously cited by Mr Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas and Emergency Services Minister James Merlino.
Daniel Andrews' contentious deal with the militant firefighters' union could end up costing taxpayers nearly $700 million, with leaked documents suggesting the Premier may have misled Parliament – and the public – about the true price of the agreement.
Victoria's financial watchdog will be called to investigate, after Fairfax Media obtained figures estimating that the cost of the industrial deal could be in the order of at least $663 million – dramatically higher than the $160 million figure previously cited by Mr Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas and Emergency Services Minister James Merlino.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/1a3263b583c8a88844090d1f7a5d0921
A STATE Labor MP has broken ranks to sensationally claim United Firefighters Union boss Peter Marshall sent abusive text messages to former emergency services minister Jane Garrett.
Wendouree MP Sharon Knight has delivered yet another blow to Premier Daniel Andrews in the devastating CFA dispute, with her claims expected to further inflame tensions among nervous Labor MPs.
The bombshell comes after separate claims yesterday that Mr Marshall — who Mr Andrews moved to back in the dispute over his minister — had also made a violent threat relating to Ms Garrett.
Ms Knight last night told the Herald Sun Ms Garrett showed her messages last year, as the then minister was standing her ground against a push from the union for more power over the CFA.
The Herald Sun was told the alleged threats were made in a heated boardroom meeting in 2015, in front of people including a senior member of Mr Andrews’s staff.
One witness claimed: “He blew up and said words to the effect of: ‘Tell the Premier there’s 3000 firefighters all with axes coming to bury them in his head, and same goes for Garrett’.”
A STATE Labor MP has broken ranks to sensationally claim United Firefighters Union boss Peter Marshall sent abusive text messages to former emergency services minister Jane Garrett.
Wendouree MP Sharon Knight has delivered yet another blow to Premier Daniel Andrews in the devastating CFA dispute, with her claims expected to further inflame tensions among nervous Labor MPs.
The bombshell comes after separate claims yesterday that Mr Marshall — who Mr Andrews moved to back in the dispute over his minister — had also made a violent threat relating to Ms Garrett.
Ms Knight last night told the Herald Sun Ms Garrett showed her messages last year, as the then minister was standing her ground against a push from the union for more power over the CFA.
The Herald Sun was told the alleged threats were made in a heated boardroom meeting in 2015, in front of people including a senior member of Mr Andrews’s staff.
One witness claimed: “He blew up and said words to the effect of: ‘Tell the Premier there’s 3000 firefighters all with axes coming to bury them in his head, and same goes for Garrett’.”
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That is not a first for the UFU and Andrews Government, happened in the past with their election promise for 350 new firefighters, they said it would cost X amount of dollars which was well below the actual cost. What they do is they tell everyone the basic cost, what it would cost in wages for the new firefighters, what they ignore is the new stations, upgrade to existing stations, new trucks etc that are all required for the employment of the extra firefighters. $170 million is very lowball when you consider to man 1 fire truck 24/7 with 20 firefighters across 5 shifts costs $4 million a year in just wages, without any other expenses.
That is just the employment of the firefighters without any of the other parts of the EBA, I would be backing the $700 million price tag as being closest to the truth...
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Now let's see the Andrews supporters attempt to defend the indefensible.
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This is State Politics, not Federal. We currently have the biggest surplus ever in the State's history. THE BIGGEST EVER.
Therefore, who cares how much it costs? How can you put a dollar figure on someone's life? New firefighters, new stations, new trucks and station upgrades seems a great way to spend a budget surplus IMO.
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Pretty sure they couldn't do a worse job. Board needed to be sacked under the previous Government. Andrews should have made it his first priority.
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/ne...y/news-story/14e789b7936b928e68538b92457193be
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-not-fix-problem/story-e6frea6u-1226635229424
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ide-on-fiskville/story-e6freon6-1226637882243
telsor
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Just a reminder, they also sacked (force the resignation of) the ALP appointed CEO of the CFA...not to mention the emergency services minister, who I assume was from the ALP as well.
But while we're on it....When there is a change of government, do you think all boards of government bodies and senior appointees should be replaced?
Jiska
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You didn't click on the links?
When there is clear evidence of mismanagement and a systemic failure of management of an organisation then it should be replaced, irrespective of which party appointed them - I don't really think that's at all relevant when they are knowingly sending people off to die.
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2 problems with that.
Firstly, the cancer issues at Fiskville were raised before most of the board were appointed.
Secondly, that's not why they were sacked. Andrews clearly thought they were handling that well enough. It was only when they didn't roll over to his Union mates that he started sacking people.
It's that kind of thinking that got us in the poo federally. Spend more then tax more is a vicious cycle!
Jiska
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Where's the link to back up your claims of more tax?
Given you won't be able to provide one, the increased surplus could only come from cutting spending to begin with, or increased revenue in existing tax areas, or redirecting funds.
As such, any increase in spending on lifesaving equipment would be from existing revenue.
Astounding that the Government is being critised for spending money on lifesaving equipment.
Only a Liberal supporter could value money ahead of people's lives.
The Fair Work ruling not agreed to before it was made. The UFU only agreed to "the independent umpire's decision" because it was favourable. As a matter of process they should have done this before the decision was handed down.
And once again this is not about pay and conditions. There is no amount of pay increase that would be satisfactory to the UFU. That sounds a lot like not bargaining in good faith.
The new CFA board have just arrived at the place the old one did: the proposed EBA is contrary to the CFA Act.
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And once again this is not about pay and conditions. There is no amount of pay increase that would be satisfactory to the UFU. That sounds a lot like not bargaining in good faith.
The new CFA board have just arrived at the place the old one did: the proposed EBA is contrary to the CFA Act.
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Whether the ruling was agreed to before it was made is largely irrelevant.
An independent umpire, run by the Federal Government, heard from both sides and made a decision on what it believed was fair and reasonable. That is the role of the Fair Work Commission and the entire purpose of its existence.
Are you suggesting that we should dismantle the Fair Work Commission? Not much point in having an organisation that serves no purpose.
There is actually a simple solution to all of this. One that not one person has ever contemplated. Change the Act.
The act probably needs changing anyway, given some of the geographical and population spread issues we have all talked about on here in recent months. Acts of Parliament are changed all the time anyway. And yet this one hasn't changed that much. Common sense.
You just have to look at the Federal Budget papers for the last 10 years to see that expenditure growth has outstripped revenue growth.
I think with the CFA you have this quirky arrangement whereby 5 people are appointed, but the other 4 are recommendations from the VFBV. That can easily be changed to how it was pre the 1960's, whereby the Government of the day had represenatives from local councils, insurance companies, volunteer and paid firefighters etc as members of the CFA Board. As it would appear, the Board is heavily weighted towards the volunteers, no unio, council or insurance representation - just people who are on boards of other things. Much of the Board's determinations can be looked from inside the context of who is on there.
There are many ways that this problem can be solved. Just that no-one wants to look at them.
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Incorrect.
The old CFA board couldn't abide by the ruling as by the time they were threatened with a deadline to sign or be sacked (great leadership by the way - NOT!), they were unable to do anything because the volunteers had taken out an injunction.
Knowing this, the threat to sack them was basically an attempt to force them to go against the injunction which is against the law and Merlino sacked them anyway.
This is the leadership that Victoria is all about now, kowtowing to the unions every whims without lube either I might add and believe me, community anger will be there for quite a long time.
What I would honestly love is for someone to rise up and turf Andrews and Merlino. Frankly I'd rather go to a by-election under those circumstances which would make me quite happy (Merlino retiring, couldn't happen to a nicer person).
Well the Board passed the EBA.
The union and the FWC will agree to it. Common sense has well and truly prevailed.
The union and the FWC will agree to it. Common sense has well and truly prevailed.
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Now Fiona Nash and the Feds are going to get involved because they truly care about volunteers
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...t-support-in-pay-dispute-20160814-gqsahl.html
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Now Fiona Nash and the Feds are going to get involved because they truly care about volunteers
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...t-support-in-pay-dispute-20160814-gqsahl.html
They care about volunteers more than Andrews and Merlino does
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Bullshit they do.
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