How would you rate the Clubs??

[Macca19]

Over the last week ive lookde at every clubs list and given them a score. The score is based on a star basis, 1 thru 5 count on every player on the list. 1 star being either a rookie who hasnt played a game yet or a no hoper...3 stars being a regular consistent performer, 4 stars being a very good conssitent performer, and 5 being a superstar of the game.

I added them all together and come up with a total...i then added or subtracted a few points given on current form.
Its quite tricky to do, but this is what i came up with


1 Essendon - 110

1 star - 11 players
2 stars - 5 players
3 stars - 12 players
4 stars - 6 (Caracella, Lucas, Blumfield, Long, Misiti, Wellman)
5 stars - 4 (Hird, Lloyd, Mercuri, Fletcher)

2 Sydney - 103

1 - 9
2 - 4
3 - 21
4 - 3 (Cresswell, O Loughlin, Williams)
5 - 1 (Kelly)

3 Port Adelaide - 103

1 - 9
2 - 9
3 - 14
4 - 6 (Dew, Tredrea, N Stevens, Montgomery, Mead, Francis)
5 - 2 (Primus, Wanganeen)

4 - Hawthorn - 98

1 - 13
2 - 5
3 - 14
4 - 5 (Chick, Hay, Croad, Holland, Rehn)
5 - 1 (Crawford)

5 - Western Bulldogs - 98

1 - 11
2 - 8
3 - 13
4 - 4 (Darcy, Hudson, Johnson, Smith)
5 - 2 (Grant, West)

6 - Richmond - 97

1 - 12
2 - 8
3 - 13
4 - 5 (Ottens, Gaspar, Campball, Knights, A. Kellaway)
5 - 1 (Richardson)

7 - Carlton - 97

1 - 12
2 - 10
3 - 10
4 - 5 (Allan, Bradley, Silvagni, Mckay, Whitnall)
5 - 3 (Camporeale, Ratten, Koutofides)

8 - Brisbane - 96

1 - 10
2 - 11
3 - 11
4 - 5 (Power, Ashcroft, Leppitsch, White, Lynch)
5 - 1 (Voss)

9 - Melbourne - 95

1 -12
2 - 8
3 - 12
4 - 6 (Farmer, Neitz, Schwarz, White, Leoncelli)
5 - 1 (Woewodin)

10 - St Kilda - 94

1 - 7
2 - 14
3 - 13
4 - 4 (Everitt, Burke, Loewe, Hamill)
5 - 1 (Harvey)

11 - Geelong - 94

1 - 10
2 - 11
3 - 13
4 - 4 (Hocking, Graham, Burns, Riccardi)
5 - 1 (King)

12 - Adelaide - 93

1 -10
2- 15
3 - 8
4 - 4 (Smart, Hart, Goodwin, Johnson)
5 - 2 (Mcleod, Riccuito, Jarman)

13 - Collingwood - 91

1 - 10
2 - 13
3 - 13
4 - 1 (Tarrant)
5 - 1 (Buckley)

14 - West Coast - 91

1 - 10
2 - 11
3 - 15
4 - 4 (Cousins, Pe. Matera, Mcintosh, Gardiner)
5 - 0

15 - Fremantle - 88

1 - 10
2 - 15
3 - 9
4 - 4 (Modra, Waterhouse, Fletcher, Haselby)
5 - 1 (Bell)

16 - North Melbourne - 87

1 - 13
2 - 10
3 - 10
4 - 4 (Archer, Grant, Harvey, Pickett)
5 - 1 (Carey)


There it is. In a way it reflects the current ladder positions. The only really wrong one that ended up was Collingwood. I dunno how they are so low....i think its because they have no real star players other than Buckley and Tarrant, but they have plenty of consistent performers. So to Joffa, Scott, dont bash me head in.

Its pretty hard to do, but i think its around the mark.

 

[JUBJUB]

Are trying to out do DAN ?

 

[FIGJAM]

13 - Collingwood - 91

1 - 10
2 - 13
3 - 13
4 - 1 (Tarrant)
5 - 1 (Buckley)

We're not going to bash your head in because of ignorance.

Some additional fours would include Shane O'Bree, Josh Fraser, a very underrated player in Nick Davis and as odd as it might sound, Mark Richardson.

Incidentally, the reason we are 3-3, is down to the fact that we have the best defence in the league. I know I will piss Hawthorn and Bomber supporters off (Hay/Croad/Rawlings, Fletcher/Henneman), but we have not had one single key position forward (ie.CHF, FF) kick a bag of goals.

As it currently stands Wakelin, Richardson, Nick Davis and the soon to be superstar Ryan Lonie have done the best job of nullifying key forwards. We have forced teams to rely on their midfield to kick a winning score.

 

[sabre_ac]

sabre_ac

Originally posted by JUBJUB
Are trying to out do DAN ?

You would be suprised how much Macca and Dan have in comon.
Personally Macca anoys me more because he seems to get off on kicking teams while there down.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by Macca19


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The score is based on a star basis, 1 thru 5 count on every player on the list. 1 star being either a rookie who hasnt played a game yet or a no hoper...3 stars being a regular consistent performer, 4 stars being a very good conssitent performer, and 5 being a superstar of the game.


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6 - Richmond - 97

1 - 12
2 - 8
3 - 13
4 - 5 (Ottens, Gaspar, Campball, Knights, A. Kellaway)
5 - 1 (Richardson)

...

Obviously Macca won't know each teams list as well as supporters of that particular team would.

Take the excerise yourself for your own team and see what you come up with.

This is my effort for Richmond:

1 - 10
2 - 6
3 - 13
4 - 8 (D. Kellaway, Otto, Chaffey, Campbell, Bowden, Cameron, Knights, A Kellaway)
5 - 2 (Gaspar, Richo)

Total 103

 

[Pessimistic]

Hawks have no 5 star players,
Over a dozen 4 star players and
the rest of the best 22 is 3star or better.

Hence they are very even and on top of the ladder at the moment

Superstars may be over-rated.

 

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by FIGJAM
Incidentally, the reason we are 3-3, is down to the fact that we have the best defence in the league. I know I will piss Hawthorn and Bomber supporters off (Hay/Croad/Rawlings, Fletcher/Henneman), but we have not had one single key position forward (ie.CHF, FF) kick a bag of goals.

As it currently stands Wakelin, Richardson, Nick Davis and the soon to be superstar Ryan Lonie have done the best job of nullifying key forwards. We have forced teams to rely on their midfield to kick a winning score.

collingwood have the best defence?????
bit more to essendons defence than fletcher and hennman

try wellman and hardwick and along with flether are both all australians

ramanauskas, second norwitch rising star for 2000

solomon heavily chased by collingwood if u believe rumours
and add mark johnson, henneman, barnard
and not to forget robran and wallis who are pretty handy replacements

 

[SS11]

thats it macca im gonna bash your head in... lol

nah to be fair, u probably dont know the pies as well as i do, so ill let u off on that one...this is an official warning..LOL

 

[hilly]

Originally posted by sabre_ac


You would be suprised how much Macca and Dan have in comon.
Personally Macca anoys me more because he seems to get off on kicking teams while there down.

If that's true, then Macca's not exactly on his own at bigfooty

 

[Shinboners]

Re: sabre_ac

Originally posted by sabre_ac


Personally Macca anoys me more because he seems to get off on kicking teams while there down.

Hmmmmm.....dunno about that.....Macca was in chat last night and he had more than a few sympathetic words for the Roo's horror season this year.

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

I admire your attempt Michael, but you've got Hawthorn with the equal most no-hopers in the league.

I've done my Hawthorn list, which goes as follows:

1 - Nicholls, Williams, Hazell, Ries, Loats, Lonie, Obst, Cox
2 - Johnson, Bateman, O'Farrell, McPharlin, Vandenberg, Clarke, Greene, Rock, Barlow, Dent
3 - Tallis, McCabe, Smith, Picioane, Lord, Dixon, Bowyer, Thompson, Croad, Woods, Graham, Lekkas
4 - Harford, Chick, Rawlings, Barker, Rehn
5 - Holland, Hay, Crawford.

For every one you think that might be too high, I'd be tempted to suggest that Clarke, Smith, McPharlin, Dixon, Croad & Chick might be too low.

That gives us a score of 109, which I think is a bit closer to the mark.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
I admire your attempt Michael, but you've got Hawthorn with the equal most no-hopers in the league.

...

That gives us a score of 109, which I think is a bit closer to the mark.

Please correct me if I am wrong DCFC, but adding up your tally comes to only 99. That gives you one more that the 98 originally provided and quite rightly puts you amongst the no-hopers in the league!

I add your list up as

1 - 8 (8 - 8)
2 - 10 (20 - 28)
3 - 12 (36 - 64)
4 - 5 (20 - 84)
5 - 3 (15 - 99)

Sorry!

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

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[TigerTank]

Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club


- you may all abuse me ... starting ... Now!

What could only be described as a Corey McKernan-quality performance.

And what rating would you give yourself? O'Farrell class or Obst?

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Macca19

Over the last week ive lookde at every clubs list and given them a score. The score is based on a star basis, 1 thru 5 count on every player on the list. 1 star being either a rookie who hasnt played a game yet or a no hoper...3 stars being a regular consistent performer, 4 stars being a very good conssitent performer, and 5 being a superstar of the game.

My interpretation of our list, with modifications to the judging system ...

1 star (10 players) - Rookies (0 - 5 games) : Ainley, Lasscock, D.Motlop, Pratt, L.Smith, Woodley, Morrell*, Spaull, D.Smith,
Dud : Calthorpe
2 stars (14 players) - newish players, underperformers, youngsters who show a bit : Burton, Clayton, Cochrane, Harris, Lange, Jones, McKernan, McLaren, S.Motlop, Olarenshaw, Petrie, Rawlings, Sinclair, Watt
3 stars (8 players) - consistent/reasonable thus far : Archer, Grant, Harvey, Makepeace, Martyn, Pickett, Rocca, Simpson
4 stars (6 players) - quite good so far this season : Blakey, Carey, Colbert, King, McCartney, Stevens

* Morrell has come off the rookie list to replace Winston Abraham. Our list remains at 37 players, plus Martyn who is on the veterans list making 38.

Totals :
1 star, 10 players, total = 10
2 stars, 14 players , total = 28
3 stars, 8 players, total = 24
4 stars, 6 players, total = 24
5 stars, 0 players, total = 0

That's a grand total of 86, which is pretty disappointing I suppose. Carey has been great but has only played three games so I didn't give him 5 stars. My total may seem a little high to some critics, but as is the case with a lot of ratings, many outsiders would be surprised at the players a club supporter recognises when watching each week. Prime examples are Blakey and McCartney who are no-frills type players but have beaten most of their opponents this year, even in a team that keeps getting flogged.
Macca19, I was also surprised you did not rate David King at 4 or above. In the end you came up with an almost identical total, though, so hopefully my ratings won't be thought of as biased.

 

[WCE2000]

Pretty accurate ratings at how each team is going.

But you have to remembers - a champion team will always beat a team of champions (unless the team of champions is very good)

 

[Visro]

Honest View on WC

Ok some of you will accuse me of being bias of my team but this is what I believe honestly the WC list is like at the moment:

Antonowicz - *
Banfield - ***
Beeck - *
Braun - ***
Buznan - *
Carroll - *
Chambers - **
Collica - ***
Cousins - *****
Cox - ***
Cummings - ***
Donnely - **
Embley - **
Fletcher - ***
Gardiner - ****
Gaspar - *
Glass - ***
Green - *
Harding - *
Haynes - **
Humm - *
Hunter - *
Jakovich - ***
Jones - ***
Kemp - ***
Kerr - ***
Pe. Matera - ****
Ph. Matera - ***
McCarrey - *
McDougall - *
McIntosh - ****
Merenda - ***
Miller - *
Morrison - ****
Munro - *
Prior - ***
Read - **
Sierrakowski - **
Taylor - ***
Turnball - **
Williams - ***
Wilson - **
Wirrpunda - ****
Wooden - *

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1 Star - 14 Players
2 Star - 6 Players
3 Star - 14 Players
4 Star - Gardiner, Peter Matera, McIntosh, Morrison, Wirrpunda
5 Star - Cousins

Ok the total score for the 42 players on the WC list (4 Rookies, 2 Veterans) is 93. This will gradually go up however as there are a lot of youngsters on the WC list that are yet to play AFL footy.

Vis

 

[WCE2000]

thats pretty accurate Vis, except i would probably have McIntosh at 3 stars, considering he just had 10 goals kicked on him. (or a fair majority of those 10 - i never saw the game, but i'm presuming he did).

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by FIGJAM
13 - Collingwood - 91

1 - 10
2 - 13
3 - 13
4 - 1 (Tarrant)
5 - 1 (Buckley)

We're not going to bash your head in because of ignorance.

Some additional fours would include Shane O'Bree, Josh Fraser, a very underrated player in Nick Davis and as odd as it might sound, Mark Richardson.

Incidentally, the reason we are 3-3, is down to the fact that we have the best defence in the league. I know I will piss Hawthorn and Bomber supporters off (Hay/Croad/Rawlings, Fletcher/Henneman), but we have not had one single key position forward (ie.CHF, FF) kick a bag of goals.

As it currently stands Wakelin, Richardson, Nick Davis and the soon to be superstar Ryan Lonie have done the best job of nullifying key forwards. We have forced teams to rely on their midfield to kick a winning score.

Sorry but there is no way in HELL that Nick Davis is in the same category as Simon Goodwin, Stewy Dew, Garry Hocking.
If you do it unbiasedly.....how could you even think he is a 4 star player. Your basically saying (on my definition of a 4 star player) he is at the moment a matchwinner, a possible all australian inclusion and a more than average contributor EVERY week.
O'bree, Fraser, Richarson and Davis were all three star players as in they contribute every week without being overly fantastic or match winners.

Mind you, i did this on paper as well, Collingwoods list doesnt look impressive on paper, but the 2 star and 3 star players have really stepped up this year and thats why they are playing good footy. Usually it was left to the stars to do all the work. But im sorry, there is no way that the players you listed would be fours...i thought about Fraser but i dont think he is a fantastic player JUST YET...he is a contributor every week without being spectacular.

 

[Macca19]

This is what i based the list on...like the format:

1 star - a rookie who hasnt played a game, or an absolute no hoper who has been at the club for a year or two without making any impact at all. From Port i would say Steinberner or any rookie.

2 star - a player who isnt in the first picked team, but is a backup when an injury occurs. Plays about 8 or 9 games a year, based basically on a clubs injury list not his ability to win a position on the team. Average player with average skills that doesnt do anything flashy. From Port i would say Matty Bishop or a Derek Murray.

3 star - A good player who is always in the team, but doesnt do the magnificent thing often. Plays maybe 2 or 3 fantastic games a year, but is more often consistently good. Always gets a game and has good skills. This is your OBrees, and Your Davis's, and younr Nathan Bassett, Jarrad Schofield, Matthew Lappin type. Has about 3 or 4 fantastic games but the rest of the time is very consistent.

4 star - this is getting onto your top 3 in BnF counts, your past all australian players. The players who perform very well week in week out and who do there job and always are in the top 5 or 6 players each week (Josh Francous). Your older players who are at the end of there careers (Stewy Loewes). Even a new star inthemaking who has burst onto the seen with a bang (Haselby, Dew). Basically your top 5 players in your squad

5 star - These are the players who are the champions...the best at what they do in the competitions. The brownlow medallists, the consistent all australian and best and fairest winners. They are fantastic every week, and are relied on in a crisis situation to stand up and be counted. Basically i limited it to as little 5 star players as possible...just the best of hte best, or who you would have in your side if you could pick anyone in the competition. I only chose 23 5 star players....thats how many i think are out there so far.


On that note, try to do it unbias. If people can rate Nick Davis as a 4 star player, then 3/4 of the port team would be 4 and 5 star players. Its tricky to put it in perspctive like "i really like this player, but is he really a 4 star player...is he fantastic every week, or is he just consistent without being flashy every week".

 

[Macca19]

Re: sabre_ac

Originally posted by sabre_ac


You would be suprised how much Macca and Dan have in comon.
Personally Macca anoys me more because he seems to get off on kicking teams while there down.

Nope, i dont get off on kicking teams when they are down. I dont have a problem with fremantle. Sabre, your the one with the problem. You have a problem because i dont rate your pathetic side, while you think they are premiership contenders. I have a problem with you, when your not even man enough to admit when your side is in trouble. You have no idea how pathetic it sounds when you here someone say week in week out "we are playing well, we just arent winning". I have a problem with you because you gave me crap a number of times in chat for thinking that Port is better than Fremantle. Now that youve been proved wrong youve gone all bitter about it and accused me of having a problem with fremantle. I dont!!! I have no vendetta against Freo! Why would I? Theyve never beaten us in a crucial game before...theyve only ever beaten us twice. They cause no harm to me!!!
Only thing i hate is supporters who cannot admit when their team is in trouble, and supporters who think their team is the greatest on earth without any facts to support this.

 

[Jabso]

The reason your Collingwood rating doesnt affect their recent success is because they have a lot of players underrated, and unknown, this is because they are all young. And I think Tarkyn Lockyer is ****
and O'Bree ****
(Well Lockyer maybe 3.7 but O'Bree and Buckley paired together are devestating)

 

[WCE2000]

interesting to note that you had 19 West Coast players with 3 or more stars.

This was the equal fourth most for any club.

So there someone backing up my theory that the eagles have 13 or 14 very good players and no one else in the club, which is the reason why we are going so crap.

I also though you were overrating at Sydney abit. Would you be able to post what you gave each player at Sydney for us, so i can have a look.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by WCE2000

I also though you were overrating at Sydney abit. Would you be able to post what you gave each player at Sydney for us, so i can have a look.

ok here we go:

1 star - Ablett, Bennett, Buchanan, Fixter, James, Feast, O'Keefe, S Stevens, Sundqvist

2 stars - Fitzgerald, Kirk, Tingay, Doyle

3 stars - Ahmat, Ball, Barry, Bolton, Crouch, Dunkley, Fosdike, Goodes, Lewis, Luff, Matthews, Maxfield, Mcpherson, Nicks, Saddington, Schauble, Schwass, Seymour, Stafford, John Stevens, Warfe

4 stars - Williams, O Loughlin, Cresswell

5 stars - Kelly

 

[jod23]

Ok heres my best go at it.

1. Buzcan, Beeck, Antonowics, Wooden, Munro, Miller, McDougall, McCarrey, Hunter, Humm, Green, Gaspar, Haynes, Carroll, Chambers, Harding, Donnelly

2. Turnball, Glass, Embly, Wilson, Merenda, Williams, Taylor, Collica, Cox, Kerr, Seirakowski.

3. Banfield, Read, Fletcher, Ph Matera, Prior, Jones, Cummings, Braun, Cummings, Kemp, Jakovich, McIntosh.

4. Matera, Gardiner, Morrison, Wirrpunda.

5. Cousins.

Total Score 96.
With form 93.