Howard Appreciation Thread

[Cousin Jed]

So saying child abuse is wrong is somehow disturbing.

Anyone who doesn't get a thrill from seeing small children suffering is disturbed.

I guess you sum up why the Liberal party and it's child abuse spruiking supporters are finnished as a political force in this nation.

No but calling people who support the Liberal party as sickos, and Child abusers and supporters of child absue and that we would enjoy watching child abuse is.

Your post election hangover is showing.

 

[skipper kelly]

So saying child abuse is wrong is somehow disturbing.

Anyone who doesn't get a thrill from seeing small children suffering is disturbed.

I guess you sum up why the Liberal party and it's child abuse spruiking supporters are finnished as a political force in this nation.

You do nothing for the cause. You are just some low life who is using child abuse to express youre hatred of one side of politics. That is truly disturbing.

 

[Grin]

No but calling people who support the Liberal party as sickos, and Child abusers and supporters of child absue and that we would enjoy watching child abuse is.

Your post election hangover is showing.

Did you support the detention of small children?

 

[Cousin Jed]

Did you support the detention of small children?

No, but that wasn't really what you were saying is it?

 

[Grin]

You do nothing for the cause. You are just some low life who is using child abuse to express youre hatred of one side of politics. That is truly disturbing.

Child abuse is wrong.

That you find this statement so offensive is sick.

That you then turn around and say that anyone who is agasinst child abuse is disturbed just shows what a low bunch you right wing fundies are.

Why do you support child abuse?
Does it make you feel like a big man?
Does it give you an erotic pleasure?


No matter what insults you throw at, or how disgusted you are at anyone who is against child abuse, I can assure that chald abuse is ALWAYS wrong. No matter what sick pleasure you derive from it.

 

[Grin]

No, but that wasn't really what you were saying is it?

Good.

I'm relieved. Now stop trying to justify it please.

 

[Dry Rot]

You seem to be having difficulty with the concept that child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

You clearly think that child abuse is OK in certain circumstances.

Am I reading you right here?

No. Where did I say that?

 

[skipper kelly]

Child abuse is wrong.

That you find this statement so offensive is sick.

That you then turn around and say that anyone who is agasinst child abuse is disturbed just shows what a low bunch you right wing fundies are.

Why do you support child abuse?
Does it make you feel like a big man?
Does it give you an erotic pleasure?


No matter what insults you throw at, or how disgusted you are at anyone who is against child abuse, I can assure that chald abuse is ALWAYS wrong. No matter what sick pleasure you derive from it.

Ask the victims of child abuse do they appreciate some low life using their pain to further that persons agenda of hatred to one side of politics. Run along.

 

[Grin]

No. Where did I say that?

Look at your post. You seemed to indicate that if there are refugee camps overseas then child abuse here is OK.
That I needed to justify refugee camps overseas to contend that child abuse is always wrong.

Dry Rot. Child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

 

[Dry Rot]

Look at your post. You seemed to indicate that if there are refugee camps overseas then child abuse here is OK.
That I needed to justify refugee camps overseas to contend that child abuse is always wrong.

Dry Rot. Child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

Sorry Grin - you need to improve your comprehension or seek help for your paranoias. Possibly both.

 

[camsmith]

Its sad that a thread dedicated to appreciating Howard has been run down by some usual suspects.

When Howard came to power I was 10 years old, I dont remember life under any other PM. Since then I have taken a strong interest in politics and have come to be extremely grateful for the job Howard and the Liberal party has done. I may not agree with them on everything, no person can agree with absolutely everything a party does but if you stand back on look at Australia of 1996 and Australia of 2007 I think its easy to see how great we have become. Some may give the credit to everyone who isn't named Howard but the fact is, he has been PM through an extraordinary prosperous time in the face of trouble overseas - and has come out of it very well. History will judge him well.

Well done Howard

 

[Cousin Jed]

Its sad that a thread dedicated to appreciating Howard has been run down by some usual suspects.

When Howard came to power I was 10 years old, I dont remember life under any other PM. Since then I have taken a strong interest in politics and have come to be extremely grateful for the job Howard and the Liberal party has done. I may not agree with them on everything, no person can agree with absolutely everything a party does but if you stand back on look at Australia of 1996 and Australia of 2007 I think its easy to see how great we have become. Some may give credit to that to everything under the sun except for Howard, but the fact is, he has been PM through an extraordinary prosperous time in the face of rising trouble overseas - and has come out of it very well. History will judge him well.

Well done Howard

Well said cam.

When I saw the thread had grown so much overnight, I knew the bulk of them would be overwhelmingly negative, but hopefully a few weeks in power will drive the bitterness out of so many.

 

[ep2018]

Its sad that a thread dedicated to appreciating Howard has been run down by some usual suspects.

When Howard came to power I was 10 years old, I dont remember life under any other PM. Since then I have taken a strong interest in politics and have come to be extremely grateful for the job Howard and the Liberal party has done. I may not agree with them on everything, no person can agree with absolutely everything a party does but if you stand back on look at Australia of 1996 and Australia of 2007 I think its easy to see how great we have become. Some may give the credit to everyone who isn't named Howard but the fact is, he has been PM through an extraordinary prosperous time in the face of trouble overseas - and has come out of it very well. History will judge him well.

Well done Howard

Brilliant post! I agree with you there on everything, except that I still don't know much about politics.

 

[tandino]

Its sad that a thread dedicated to appreciating Howard has been run down by some usual suspects.

When Howard came to power I was 10 years old, I dont remember life under any other PM. Since then I have taken a strong interest in politics and have come to be extremely grateful for the job Howard and the Liberal party has done. I may not agree with them on everything, no person can agree with absolutely everything a party does but if you stand back on look at Australia of 1996 and Australia of 2007 I think its easy to see how great we have become. Some may give the credit to everyone who isn't named Howard but the fact is, he has been PM through an extraordinary prosperous time in the face of trouble overseas - and has come out of it very well. History will judge him well.

Well done Howard

Top post.

 

[Goldenblue]

BTW the alp introduced mandatory detention in case you forgot.

That line of defence is getting so old now.

True Medders, the ALP did, but it was Howard's government that stuffed up the process.


Cornelia Rau and Vivian Alvarez Solon for example.

 

[Richo83]

Good things Howard did:

- Gun buyback scheme
- East Timor intervention, especially by using UN approval and procedure
- Not doing anything on abortion (now that mightn't seem much, but as Howard is a neo-con, I often feared he'd ban abortion, but he didn't, effectively leaving it to the states to decide, which is a good thing IMO)
- Afghanistan war
- A sense of welfare (Howard could have done a Thatcher, or Reagan more likely and tried to scrap welfare, but he hasn't, and although welfare has been stigmatized, it has been maintained to an extent for the poor)
- VSU


It's a short list. I do not place economic success as achievement as I see it as international conditions, our recourse boom and the economic changes of Keating as the reason for our success. Howard's economic legacy is the inheritance and the maintaining of a good economy (not that hard considering that Keating took the necessary reforms, regardless it was Costello who was in charge IMO) a ineffective tax reform system and a very unpopular workplace reform system. I'm biased, but that's politics. I've been waiting for this for a decade now.

 

[OldLion]

Howard's partied hard with his top-end-of-town mates and has trashed the joint. He's walking with the super and has left the cleaning up to his party faithful ..as Mr Rotten once said " .. don't you get the feeling you've been had .."

The wedging word-weasel has corroded our culture enough - our country has got a lot going for it but there are some massive challenges that require collective action ( and not just getting bigger plasmas ). Relaxed and comfortable won't do any more and we've missed opportunities by being in denial. Time to get on the bike .. it's doable.

 

[bzparkes]

Considering the actual large amounts of money it costs to get onto a people smuggling boat I'm always amazed at how people try to equate alot of these 'boat people' as truly poor wretches when they obviously had the means by which to secure sufficient funds to make the trip.

Truly poor people don't have money for food let alone a 10k boat ride.

Yeah, because all those boat people actually have the money to pay the smugglers in cold, hard cash Just shows how little you know about this subject. Let's say the aver cost of smuggling a person is USD$34k. These people don't actually have the money, if they did do you honestly believe they wouldn't go through the proper channels, as you like to put it?

No, these people have to 'pay' off their debts by working in sweat shops, as prostitutes, etc. These people will NEVER pay off their debt, so stop proving how ignorant you are on the subject. Ireland is hardly a third world country and regardless of the conflict there, your parents could obviously afford to get you out of there. These people can't.

Why don't you go educate yourself on the subject and stop picking on people less fortunate than yourself?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Yeah, because all those boat people actually have the money to pay the smugglers in cold, hard cash Just shows how little you know about this subject. Let's say the aver cost of smuggling a person is USD$34k. These people don't actually have the money, if they did do you honestly believe they wouldn't go through the proper channels, as you like to put it?

No, these people have to 'pay' off their debts by working in sweat shops, as prostitutes, etc. These people will NEVER pay off their debt, so stop proving how ignorant you are on the subject. Ireland is hardly a third world country and regardless of the conflict there, your parents could obviously afford to get you out of there. These people can't.

Why don't you go educate yourself on the subject and stop picking on people less fortunate than yourself?

Where's your evidence of this in Australia?

Unless you frequent immigrant whores and are talking from first hand experience?

So perhaps you need to stop telling tales too.


As Iv'e stated before a former bosses son in law was an Afghan (unlike you) and he was adament that alot of the people comming in on boats through out the world were doing so with drug money, and not "borrrowed money" as you'd like to believe.

But hey what would he know, he's only an Afghan, you'd know better of course.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

So if they have all this money. Why don't they just catch a aeroplane.

Sorry. I'm using logic with a Tory again

Tory?

We aren't English, muppet.

Why?

Because they will have far less chance of gaining residency and with a lot less assistance if they simply arrive as basically tourists wouldn't they.

 

[Grin]

Tory?

We aren't English, muppet.

Why?

Because they will have far less chance of gaining residency and with a lot less assistance if they simply arrive as basically tourists wouldn't they.

I'm presuming that you're another one who supported the detention of small children for years at a time.

You right wing fundamentalist, Tory sicko

 

[mantis]

Where's your evidence of this in Australia?

Unless you frequent immigrant whores and are talking from first hand experience?

So perhaps you need to stop telling tales too.


As Iv'e stated before a former bosses son in law was an Afghan (unlike you) and he was adament that alot of the people comming in on boats through out the world were doing so with drug money, and not "borrrowed money" as you'd like to believe.

But hey what would he know, he's only an Afghan, you'd know better of course.

HA HA, the old "my dog's owner's best friend" scenario is being used, to back up someone's argument, when they know it can't be substantiated one way or the other.

Sorry ASMS, your claim doesn't stand up.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

I'm presuming that you're another one who supported the detention of small children for years at a time.

You right wing fundamentalist, Tory sicko

You're sound like some 15 year old kid who's socialist unionist teacher told them a heap of shit and you swallowed it up like a patsy.

And you still didn't address my point that any parent who puts a child on a dirty flea/rat ridden unseaworthy craft and sets sail into the middle of the ocean with the intention of entering another nation illegally is 100% guilty of child abuse.

But of course you wouldn't, because that wouldn't paint them in the picture you want them to be portrayed in.

 

[foxdog50]

Hood Job little johnie, would of bein hard job you have done, your a bloody good leader and all the best after politics. well done champ

 

[evo]

It's a short list. I do not place economic success as achievement as I see it as international conditions, our recourse boom and the economic changes of Keating as the reason for our success. Howard's economic legacy is the inheritance and the maintaining of a good economy (not that hard considering that Keating took the necessary reforms, regardless it was Costello who was in charge IMO) a ineffective tax reform system and a very unpopular workplace reform system. I'm biased, but that's politics. I've been waiting for this for a decade now.

Thats because you don't have much of an idea Richo.No biggy,probably only 1/2 a dozen posters (at best) who frequent this board ,do.

Anyway,lets see how irrelevant economic managment is after 6 or so years of Swan running the show.