Howe many?

[harrisendblue]

That should be a week. I can't stand people that attempt to trip other players, so many examples where someone swings a leg or is on the ground and reaches out with the arm, and because they don't connect, nothing is ever made of it. Its a low act that can cause significant injury if it connects when a player is running full tilt/least expecting it.

Agree that Selwood should have got a week based on that vision. The difference in this case is that the Melb bloke didn't get a broken leg. Howe should receive the same punishment Fisher has received ie 5 weeks.

 

[harrisendblue]

he didn't kick Fisher, it was a trip, the question the tribunal have to decide is how accountable for the trip Howe is
he also got punched by Cripps prior to punching him back, in the head as shown in a photo in this thread, and in the gut prior to hitting Cripps on the chin with what looked like an attempt at a high check punch
neither incident got a whistle which means either the umps didn't care or weren't watching

the AFL says they want to stamp out the gut punches etc but they let a hell of a lot of them go on match day and with the MRP, sure they pick a couple of incidents out here or there to show that they are doing something but they don't really do much to stop it

In your opinion, for me it was side kick. Not a traditional kick but a kick none the less.

Rubbish. Mate I was watching it and Howe was clearly the initiator. The vision provided intimates he was punched because of the specific angle of the shot. It does not actually prove anything. Also the vision was of Crippa reaction after he got punched not before it. Though I will say that if Crippa did punch Howe then he should also be penalised - no issue with that.

If your correct then why didn't Christian penalise Cripps? I'll tell you why because it didn't happen. Christian would have no issues in citing multiple events as it supports his role.

 

[Gralin]

Agree that Selwood should have got a week based on that vision. The difference in this case is that the Melb bloke didn't get a broken leg. Howe should receive the same punishment Fisher has received ie 5 weeks.

I'm not a fan of this thinking, I don't like that the outcome has more impact on the penalty than the intention, leads to accidents rubbing players out for longer than intentional acts

In your opinion, for me it was side kick. Not a traditional kick but a kick none the less.

Rubbish. Mate I was watching it and Howe was clearly the initiator. The vision provided intimates he was punched because of the specific angle of the shot. It does not actually prove anything. Also the vision was of Crippa reaction after he got punched not before it. Though I will say that if Crippa did punch Howe then he should also be penalised - no issue with that.

If your correct then why didn't Christian penalise Cripps? I'll tell you why because it didn't happen. Christian would have no issues in citing multiple events as it supports his role.

it wasn't a kick, he was in motion and down on one knee, his body pivoted around the knee that was on the ground, yes his leg was moving but it wasn't a kick

as to the MRP, well it's so inconsistent as to be useless for comparisons

Why do some players get insufficient force and not even a fine for making contact to another players head and others get upgraded on the potential for injury?

someone posted Cox elbow upgrade from the start of the year, yet we've seen other elbows either get a fine or no upgrade

You've decided that Howe is a dirty sniper who has gone out there to injure your players, thats fine, but he's played 48 games and this is the first time this sort of thing has happened
Sure he's had some fines before, like a lot of players but he's not someone with repeat history of punching blokes in the head or taking players legs out

 

[harrisendblue]

I'm not a fan of this thinking, I don't like that the outcome has more impact on the penalty than the intention, leads to accidents rubbing players out for longer than intentional acts


it wasn't a kick, he was in motion and down on one knee, his body pivoted around the knee that was on the ground, yes his leg was moving but it wasn't a kick

as to the MRP, well it's so inconsistent as to be useless for comparisons

Why do some players get insufficient force and not even a fine for making contact to another players head and others get upgraded on the potential for injury?

someone posted Cox elbow upgrade from the start of the year, yet we've seen other elbows either get a fine or no upgrade

You've decided that Howe is a dirty sniper who has gone out there to injure your players, thats fine, but he's played 48 games and this is the first time this sort of thing has happened
Sure he's had some fines before, like a lot of players but he's not someone with repeat history of punching blokes in the head or taking players legs out

Its all about the look of the game and the end result has to be taken into account. Same applies with the law of the land for example you punch someone in the head and its assault. You punch someone in the head, he falls and dies then its manslaughter.

What you've described is a side kick - thanks.

Very easy to diss the MRP and their inconsistencies however if something if as obvious as what you describe re Cripps hitting Howe then it would have been included in their weekly report.

Ive not made any decision's re Howe character but rather have commented on his performance this game as a tagger who punched cripps in the head and side kicked Fisher so badly he has a broken leg. He deserves 7 weeks - 2 for the punch and 5 for the side kick that caused a broken leg.

 

[Monkey King]

what the umpires should do is use the whistle during the game to stamp out shit tactics, why does the retaliator usually cop the free against instead of the instigator?

Are you trying to claim Howe as some retaliating victim and Cripps the instigator? Howe came and stood in front of Cripps at a stoppage and started bumping back into him, Cripps went to shove him out the way to get where the throw in would land and Howe grabbed him with both arms, so Cripps pushed him away, again to try and get a run at the ball drop, and as he started to run Howe punched him.

 

[Monkey King]

... a reasonable tribunal should recognise that Howe was just contesting the ball when his opponent spun into his leg.

Like Cripps dipped into Howe’s fist. That poor Howe fella just can’t catch a trick

it wasn't a kick, he was in motion and down on one knee, his body pivoted around the knee that was on the ground, yes his leg was moving but it wasn't a kick

I think it would best be described as a sweep, which is a type of kick.

 

[Gralin]

Are you trying to claim Howe as some retaliating victim and Cripps the instigator? Howe came and stood in front of Cripps at a stoppage and started bumping back into him, Cripps went to shove him out the way to get where the throw in would land and Howe grabbed him with both arms, so Cripps pushed him away, again to try and get a run at the ball drop, and as he started to run Howe punched him.

no I was responding to the idea that infringing on stars should come with an MRP loading and the fact that the best way to protect players against illegal tactics is for the umpire to penalize the tactics at the time

Like Cripps dipped into Howe’s fist. That poor Howe fella just can’t catch a trick



I think it would best be described as a sweep, which is a type of kick.

you say sweep kick, your fellow blues supporter says side kick, AFL and the media says trip

he wasn't coming in with some sort of martial arts move to injure his opponent, this is the issue with close up footage being played without any context of how the two players got there

 

[Monkey King]

no I was responding to the idea that infringing on stars should come with an MRP loading and the fact that the best way to protect players against illegal tactics is for the umpire to penalize the tactics at the time.

Right. No problem with this. I agree with you that taggers should not have a loading and umps should look after ball players on the park in real time.

you say sweep kick, your fellow blues supporter says side kick, AFL and the media says trip

Yes. You can trip someone with a sweep kick.

 

[Satchel]

this all highlights that there really has been no change/improvement to the MRP - it all is dictated by the end result (injury) & the media driven judgement

he will cop 3 for the trip so that the media are happy plus he is a no-name player

I have no issue with the charge if it was intentional - I just cant see enough evidence to support that conclusion

 

[SickQwon]

Im honestly surprised Howe's fist didn't shatter when it made contact with Cripps' jaw.

 

[LordLucifer]

this all highlights that there really has been no change/improvement to the MRP - it all is dictated by the end result (injury) & the media driven judgement

This is the one aspect of the tribunal that really really really shits me !!!

The same action (eg. a straightforward punch to the chin) can have varying penalties due to whether the player was concussed or not.

It's complete & utter rubbish, the crimes are the crimes, deal with them equally, not on a sliding scale that is way too slippery.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Selwood on Milera last weekend, Dangerfield leading with his legs to try and win a disputed ball on Saturday night. So because they didn't break the guys leg or in danger's case smash the guys head in that it constitutes a lesser penalty? How about we penalise the action first not the outcome.

 

[Monkey King]

The same action (eg. a straightforward punch to the chin) can have varying penalties due to whether the player was concussed or not.

It's complete & utter rubbish, the crimes are the crimes, deal with them equally, not on a sliding scale that is way too slippery.

I think first it should be determined if the action itself constitutes an offence. If not, then outcomes shouldn’t matter. An example of this is Hodge breaking Murphy’s jaw a few years back. But if it is, then the outcome should be accounted for, like in the justice system; if you punch someone you’re charged with assault, if that punch kills the person then you’ll be charged with manslaughter.

 

[slashin_velvet]

no I was responding to the idea that infringing on stars should come with an MRP loading and the fact that the best way to protect players against illegal tactics is for the umpire to penalize the tactics at the time

I agree an MRP loading seems over the top - but it is somewhat of a slippery slope. If a team tried to go down the bodybag route in a critical game - getting a bog average player to intentionally take out the oppositions best players.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Yes. You can trip someone with a sweep kick.

I am certain that it was during a game of football and not during a martial arts display or mario game. It cannot be classified as a footsweep or footsweep kick because of this.

 

[MinerBoy]

Coupla for the whack on the chin... no worries.

No trip and no kick though... just a clash of legs in the course of both players body movements. Unlucky for Fisher but clearly just an accident. Joke that it's been sent to tribunal.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

The woe is me hawks quick to forget Michael Christian saying a forearm to the head would be graded intentional striking, only for Tom Mitchell to get away with a "misconduct" charge on Goldy. Are we also electing to forget Burton's bump on Higgins?

Hawks witch hunt.

Mitchell's 'intentional strike' was below the force required - ie he would have got off entirely. It was only called misconduct so that they could get him with something.

(For the record, I don't think "below the force required" should even exist for intentional off the ball incidents - would stop the niggle overnight).

 

[Monkey King]

I am certain that it was during a game of football and not during a martial arts display or mario game.

I suppose you think he didn’t land a jab on Cripps’ jaw either, because it’s a football game not a boxing match?

This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[HalloweenJack]

Coupla for the whack on the chin... no worries.

No trip and no kick though... just a clash of legs in the course of both players body movements. Unlucky for Fisher but clearly just an accident. Joke that it's been sent to tribunal.

Yea when I saw the replay it just looked like an accidental clash of legs rather than an intentional trip. 2 weeks for the punch is probably fair enough.

 

[PP34]

Selwood on Milera last weekend, Dangerfield leading with his legs to try and win a disputed ball on Saturday night. So because they didn't break the guys leg or in danger's case smash the guys head in that it constitutes a lesser penalty? How about we penalise the action first not the outcome.

Welcome to the joke that is the MRP.

 

[branedotorg]

Howe at training

 

[Jeffy38!]

Gee talk about muddying the waters. It was a flush jab to the jaw that knocked Cripps down for a bit. If anyone has actually experienced the sensation of copping a jab to the chin without preparation you'd know what it's like. And that was a definite trip.

 

[OnTheRocks]

I suppose you think he didn’t land a jab on Cripps’ jaw either, because it’s a football game not a boxing match?

This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

A jab or punch doesn't have to involve boxing.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Gee talk about muddying the waters. It was a flush jab to the jaw that knocked Cripps down for a bit. If anyone has actually experienced the sensation of copping a jab to the chin without preparation you'd know what it's like. And that was a definite trip.

40 seconds later, Cripps was at a ballup almost 100m away, and played out the game without issue and never looked like leaving the field. Clearly low impact and deserves a week. Two for stupidity I could handle, but the rules don't allow that so they make it up.

The trip should be 0. Fine only, same as every other trip (other than Roughead) in the last decade. Even then he's harshly done by given so many are just simply ignored every week.

 

[Marcus DuQuesne]

You know this guys season should be over. Short right punch is 2-4 and the sweeping leg(kick) to intentionally trip with the result that the impacted player does not play again this season is worth 3-5. Gives him plenty of time to re-assess how he goes about playing that shit role called tagger. If that is how he is being coached then Clarkson should be accountable also. WE know it is part of the Hawthorn Culture.