Howe many?

[RegHickeyStand]

Hopefully Howe cops a meaningful penalty, which reflects the seriousness of his transgressions. For too long the Hawks and Clarkson have been pushing the boundaries under their mantra of playing unsociable football. Elbows, sly punches, knees, choking, and burying their opponents into the ground have been a hallmark of Hawthorn’s play under Clarkson’s reign. Cannot agree more this guy gets it right. Oh you barrack for Hawks who would have thought.

Hear, hear. Well said.

 

[MinerBoy]

Love the contributions of the supporters of the Geelong Angels FC

 

[kaiserchief13]

5 weeks and that's it see ya next year

 

[_M_16_]

Was a good decision. Eye rolled at some who said the resulting injury shouldn't be taken into account. If you're a drunken slob on a night out and you punch someone because you can, and they fall down, hit their head and die. Then you suffer the consequences that resulted of that action, even though you had no intention to kill the person.

Yeah it was just a trip, but tripping is cheap/dirty, and that trip broke a leg and ended someone's season. Deserved more weeks if anything.

 

[theyellowsash]

Nothing deliberate about it and we are opening a dangerous can of worms if we apply penalties based on outcomes in lieu of the acts themselves however unfortunate those outcomes may be.

a dangerous can of worms like....the law?

 

[WWSD]

5 weeks and that's it see ya next year

He’ll be back for the finals.

 

[kaiserchief13]

He’ll be back for the finals.

Don't think Hawks will make it plus he will play VFL anyway as a fringe player missing 5 games

 

[HawkMongrel]

Oh how Adam Goodes must be laughing to himself.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Don't think Hawks will make it plus he will play VFL anyway as a fringe player missing 5 games

He's a fringe player?

 

[Tushay]

Hopefully Howe cops a meaningful penalty, which reflects the seriousness of his transgressions. For too long the Hawks and Clarkson have been pushing the boundaries under their mantra of playing unsociable football. Elbows, sly punches, knees, choking, and burying their opponents into the ground have been a hallmark of Hawthorn’s play under Clarkson’s reign. Cannot agree more this guy gets it right. Oh you barrack for Hawks who would have thought.

Nailed it. Unfortunately some of their supporters can't see it. Not an accident that it was Cripps on the end of the punch? Orders from the boss. Whatever it takes.

 

[sprockets]

Haven't seen this level of denial since the blackest day in the history of Australian sport. He deliberately tripped the player and as a result that player has a broken leg, which is why tripping's not looked upon kindly in the football world.

 

[Hubnester]

Probably unpopular because I know how cool it is to hate the Hawks but I think he was punished quite harshly, for two incidents you could argue were not entirely malicious or intentional.

That's just my opinion but I feel like if that were a players I supported I'd be a bit disappointed in the result.

 

[Smedts_2]

Probably unpopular because I know how cool it is to hate the Hawks but I think he was punished quite harshly, for two incidents you could argue were not entirely malicious or intentional.

That's just my opinion but I feel like if that were a players I supported I'd be a bit disappointed in the result.

I agree. Howe dealt with harshly I think.

 

[dumb]

Haven't seen this level of denial since the blackest day in the history of Australian sport. He deliberately tripped the player and as a result that player has a broken leg, which is why tripping's not looked upon kindly in the football world.

michael christian himself said the trip was instinctive and not intentional

 

[lordbob]

Let look at it frame by frame:
0) Starting positions, Howe has just changed directions, previously moving left to right

1) Howe approaches to tackle on an angle

2) Begins going to ground to get lower than the player bending over and as a result loses his footing

3) Has his leg in the air already before fisher begins his spin move and would likely have very little control of what he can do with it as he moves towards the ground

4) Howes foot has not yet touched the ground and he begins to fall back with no hand yet planted to support him

5) Streches out his leg to ground himself. note the swinging motion of the leg is a result of the turning motion from which howe approached the tackle with his outer leg swinging as he falls further back looking to find the ground with his hand.

One could argue that the swinging outer leg acts as a reflexive counter weight to falling backwards. When falling back one's legs tend to go up and not down.

6) You can see that the out streched toe begins to point down to find the ground rather than up in a kicking motion once the hand hits the ground and he no longer is falling back.

7)Were it a swinging trip then there would have been much more force and the kick would have continued through rather than being knocked/pulled back once howe was able to support himself on the ground with his hand.

Perhaps others will interpret this frame by frame differently but at least its there. All this was in the space of one second.

On the matter of severity of the impact, it was clearly a result of the angle from which howe approached the tackle and the natural motion as he fell to the ground. Go to a part and run on an arc and at the same time go low, lose your footing and have no hand to support yourself whilst trying to tackle and see what happens to your outer leg. Does it hang out ?

I would argue this was accidental and not careless. most people in this situation would have their leg act in the same way and it was not careless to go low to avoid a high tackle but rather dutiful.

 

[Monkey King]

A jab or punch doesn't have to involve boxing.

Yes. That’s my point exactly. A jab need not involve boxing and a sweep need not incolve Mario Bros or martial arts demonstrations. These are merely descriptions of actions/movements.

Anyway done and dusted now. 2 for the jab. 3 for the sweep. Pretty much in line with what I reckoned he’d get earlier in the thread. Hope he learns his lesson and that for your guys sake, that you make finals so it’s not season ending, as I don’t think he was maliciously tying to hurt anyone.

 

[Monkey King]

This is interesting vision. Before Howe wrongly and then rightfully punished whacks Cripps, you have a collection of dribblers in Cripps [et. al] ... all pushing at their Hawthorn opponents like successful high acheivers while the ball is out of play.

That vision starts with Howe holding on to Cripps with both arms. Cripps pushes Howe in order to stop being held and get a run at the ball, which he starts to do when Howe elects to punch him.

Prior to that vision, Howe had come and stood in front of Cripps and started bumping back into him. Cripps tried to shove him out the way and Howe latched on to him with both arms ... which is where your vision begins.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Yes. That’s my point exactly. A jab need not involve boxing and a sweep need not incolve Mario Bros or martial arts demonstrations. These are merely descriptions of actions/movements.

Anyway done and dusted now. 2 for the jab. 3 for the sweep. Pretty much in line with what I reckoned he’d get earlier in the thread. Hope he learns his lesson and that for your guys sake, that you make finals so it’s not season ending, as I don’t think he was maliciously tying to hurt anyone.

Give yourself a pat on the back, you deserve it! Now go and put more thought about that spoon your club is getting.

 

[Monkey King]

Give yourself a pat on the back, you deserve it! Now go and put more thought about that spoon your club is getting.

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[Gambelic]

This is interesting vision. Before Howe wrongly and then rightfully punished whacks Cripps, you have a collection of dribblers in Cripps, Fisher, Kennedy and Curnow all pushing at their Hawthorn opponents like successful high acheivers while the ball is out of play. No wonder they didn't score for the quarter.

Cripps isn't even looking at him when he punches him. He's moving away towards the contest. 2 weeks for that is light.

 

[MinerBoy]

The trip decision is just awful. Clearly a clash of legs in a contest and nothing more.

Bad luck for Fisher and injury should certainly be considered in punishment if the act was worthy of punishment....deliberate or careless. However I could watch that a thousand times over and still see nothing more than a genuine accident.

 

[JoeHawk]

Let look at it frame by frame:
0) Starting positions, Howe has just changed directions, previously moving left to right

1) Howe approaches to tackle on an angle

2) Begins going to ground to get lower than the player bending over and as a result loses his footing

3) Has his leg in the air already before fisher begins his spin move and would likely have very little control of what he can do with it as he moves towards the ground

4) Howes foot has not yet touched the ground and he begins to fall back with no hand yet planted to support him

5) Streches out his leg to ground himself. note the swinging motion of the leg is a result of the turning motion from which howe approached the tackle with his outer leg swinging as he falls further back looking to find the ground with his hand.

One could argue that the swinging outer leg acts as a reflexive counter weight to falling backwards. When falling back one's legs tend to go up and not down.

6) You can see that the out streched toe begins to point down to find the ground rather than up in a kicking motion once the hand hits the ground and he no longer is falling back.

7)Were it a swinging trip then there would have been much more force and the kick would have continued through rather than being knocked/pulled back once howe was able to support himself on the ground with his hand.

Perhaps others will interpret this frame by frame differently but at least its there. All this was in the space of one second.

On the matter of severity of the impact, it was clearly a result of the angle from which howe approached the tackle and the natural motion as he fell to the ground. Go to a part and run on an arc and at the same time go low, lose your footing and have no hand to support yourself whilst trying to tackle and see what happens to your outer leg. Does it hang out ?

I would argue this was accidental and not careless. most people in this situation would have their leg act in the same way and it was not careless to go low to avoid a high tackle but rather dutiful.

Hawks should have sent you as our defence LB instead of that muppet O’Farrell

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Nothing deliberate about it and we are opening a dangerous can of worms if we apply penalties based on outcomes in lieu of the acts themselves however unfortunate those outcomes may be.

 

[Strange Cat]

Hopefully Howe cops a meaningful penalty, which reflects the seriousness of his transgressions. For too long the Hawks and Clarkson have been pushing the boundaries under their mantra of playing unsociable football. Elbows, sly punches, knees, choking, and burying their opponents into the ground have been a hallmark of Hawthorn’s play under Clarkson’s reign. Cannot agree more this guy gets it right. Oh you barrack for Hawks who would have thought.

Spot on and a perfect summary

 

[Dave]

The trip should be 0. Fine only, same as every other trip (other than Roughead) in the last decade.

Dustin Fletcher says hi.

Even then he's harshly done by given so many are just simply ignored every week.

Do they all result in a broken leg to the trippee too?