Hurley vs Walker

[Mighty Chinook]

Hurley broke even in 2 on 1 contests against Talia and Henderson in the second half which helped keep the ball in our forward line and contributed to our smalls hitting the scoreboard. He didn't have a massive game, but still had an impact.

If you're happy with Tex "breaking even" the way he did last night, then good luck to you. Most would say he was beaten. He kicked straight, but Carlisle took 9 marks, mostly due to superior positioning and judgement. By comparison, Talia offered virtually nothing going the other way against Hurley. Which either means Hurley limited Talia's impact or that Talia is simply a limited footballer.

Texas managed 3.1, while Hurley only managed 0.2 and 1 out on the full. So if their individual contribution to the scoreboard is the only measure of their impact, Walker gets the points. But if you take into account other score involvements and the impact of their direct opponents, reckon Hurley probably had the better night.

Talia will never be a rebounder, he is a pure defender. His worth will never be measured in stats. If Tex can kick 3 goals on a night when the delivery was terrible and he was forced up the ground for most of the match, then I think he's looking good for 2013.

Carlisle was very good last night, but most of his marks came from poor kicks which did not favour Tex at all. Adelaide's disposal efficiency on the night was terrible.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Both Tex and Hurley weren't at their best...

But Essendon won, so I guess Hurley does too.

****.

 

[Silvagnis]

How many forward entries went Walkers way, He finally took his 2nd mark 1/2 way through the last qtr once the game was done and dusted.

Inaccurate comment if you look at Essendon's dominance of possession, scoring shots and the midfield.

Inside 50: 62 to 48
Scoring shots: 24 Adelaide 29 Essendon
Disposals: 33 more to Essendon
Clearances: 11 more to Essendon
Contested possessions: 10 more to Adelaide
Uncontested possessions: 49 more to Essendon
Marks: 18 more to Essendon

Conditions didn't favour Hurley and Walker, but the latter still kicked three goals on his opponent. Did Carlisle cold on the lead one out and twice on the lead. They weren't getting it in there lace out to Walker like they did against Henderson and Jamison. This match was a scrappy and ugly affair compared to the Carlton v Adelaide game that was more attacking.
Similar to Fevola having to take on the world when Carlton were smashed.

 

[radiojake]

Neither player was dominant, conditions didn't suit either of them. Walker's three goals to cabby-bashing Hurley's zero suggests that Walker had the better night out of the two...

Don't see how you can say Hurley had the better night (except in that he played in a winning team) when his impact was minimal up the ground and didn't kick a goal -

 

[Ambrosia]

Walker was clearly beaten by Carlisle imo.

Hurley is only playing forward because if lack if a better option imo

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Walker was clearly beaten by Carlisle imo.

Hurley is only playing forward because if lack if a better option imo

False.

And I've heard that reasoning before...

 

[boncer34]

Walker's goals kept the Crows in the game. They were hardly 'junk time goals'. Once again this all just stems from the fact that you golden boy Hurley did nothing.

How many 'junk time' goals did Hurley kick?

Kept in it? Mate it was over.

I have no issues saying Walker has been better thus far. But he got beaten by Carlisle.

 

[boncer34]

Neither player was dominant, conditions didn't suit either of them. Walker's three goals to cabby-bashing Hurley's zero suggests that Walker had the better night out of the two...

Don't see how you can say Hurley had the better night (except in that he played in a winning team) when his impact was minimal up the ground and didn't kick a goal -

Tex played better. Carlisle still beat him.

 

[makethat2]

Tex and Carlisle broke even. 3 Goals in those conditions in a scrappy game is a good effort but Carlisle also good was at times. Hurely was clearly beaten. Doesnt affect the overall poll result though, Walker has done a whole more then Hurley and theres nothing to suggest that will change soon. IMO Hurley is gun backman, leave him there and create on of the better backlines in years to come.

 

[radiojake]

Tex played better. Carlisle still beat him.

No real argument here - we could get semantical and say that the three goals broke Walker even, but that wouldn't change the result of the game so there is no point

OP says Hurley v Walker though, so Carlisle is irrelevant

 

[makethat2]

No real argument here - we could get semantical and say that the three goals broke Walker even, but that wouldn't change the result of the game so there is no point

OP says Hurley v Walker though, so Carlisle is irrelevant

Yeah I know. Some supportors arguing that Carlisle beat Tex and somehow using that as an argument as to why Hurley is better.

 

[Vtorians]

Hurley didn't have the best night, but the amount of attention he received from the defenders made all the difference for the small fwds who finished off most of his bullocking work.

 

[Jex]

Have watched the game a second time and the physical impact Hurley had was pretty significant. Plenty of Crows wishing they hadn't stood in his way

 

[Team DJ]

Lol, whilst he didnt touch the Footy, or have an impact at all.

He threw his weight around a bit, and other forwards played well.

Therefore Hurley played heaps good.

 

[Donakebab]

Hurley's attack and intent was good, his total output was disappointing.

Walker played well and was easily the better of the two, but shouldn't "have kicked 5-6" like some have said. He was beaten by his direct opponent on the night and kicked 2 of his 3 goals when the result was a foregone conclusion.



Walker is in front by a long way right now, bumping this thread each week is just stupid and petty. Leave it for the season and revisit then.

 

[Doss]

Inaccurate comment if you look at Essendon's dominance of possession, scoring shots and the midfield.

Inside 50: 62 to 48
Scoring shots: 24 Adelaide 29 Essendon
Disposals: 33 more to Essendon
Clearances: 11 more to Essendon
Contested possessions: 10 more to Adelaide
Uncontested possessions: 49 more to Essendon
Marks: 18 more to Essendon

Conditions didn't favour Hurley and Walker, but the latter still kicked three goals on his opponent. Did Carlisle cold on the lead one out and twice on the lead. They weren't getting it in there lace out to Walker like they did against Henderson and Jamison. This match was a scrappy and ugly affair compared to the Carlton v Adelaide game that was more attacking.
Similar to Fevola having to take on the world when Carlton were smashed.

Sorry to nitpick, but where did you get that from?

18.9= 27 scoring shots
11.16= 27 scoring shots

Anyhow, as with the general consensus, Walker is in front easily at the moment. You'd be silly to argue otherwise.

 

[CotchinsClass]

Walker is twice the player hurley is.

 

[LeoMessi]

Walker - just too strong!

 

[Trav 20]

At the end of 2009 when Hurley had that stellar game against Hawthorn the media and Essendon fans thought they had the next Wayne Carey. Three and a half years later and there's been zero progression. He crashes packs and that's about it. He drops marks the good forwards take, he fumbles, he kicks the ball into the man on the mark, misses goals he needs to nail, or kicks it out of bounds on the full, etc. He's a competitive beast, but a somewhat limited footballer. I don't underestimate the value of an aggressive unit in the forward-line, but to say he's been overrated is an understatement.

 

[Team DJ]

At the end of 2009 when Hurley had that stellar game against Hawthorn the media and Essendon fans thought they had the next Wayne Carey. Three and a half years later and there's been zero progression. He crashes packs and that's about it. He drops marks the good forwards take, he fumbles, he kicks the ball into the man on the mark, misses goals he needs to nail, or kicks it out of bounds on the full, etc. He's a competitive beast, but a somewhat limited footballer. I don't underestimate the value of an aggressive unit in the forward-line, but to say he's been overrated is an understatement.

He should be playing CHB.

 

[The Prosecutor]

At the end of 2009 when Hurley had that stellar game against Hawthorn the media and Essendon fans thought they had the next Wayne Carey. Three and a half years later and there's been zero progression. He crashes packs and that's about it. He drops marks the good forwards take, he fumbles, he kicks the ball into the man on the mark, misses goals he needs to nail, or kicks it out of bounds on the full, etc. He's a competitive beast, but a somewhat limited footballer. I don't underestimate the value of an aggressive unit in the forward-line, but to say he's been overrated is an understatement.

And in this post you have shown just how ignorant you are of him, especially if you believe he hasn't progressed at all.

 

[Trav 20]

And in this post you have shown just how ignorant you are of him, especially if you believe he hasn't progressed at all.

Great analysis.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Great analysis.

Much better than yours.

He has finished top 3 in the B&F since then and actually had the highest VPG average.

He has play numerous games at a higher quality than that Hawthorn game.

The only thing that holds him back are injuries.

But no, he hasn't progressed at all.

 

[Trav 20]

Much better than yours.

He has finished top 3 in the B&F since then and actually had the highest VPG average.

He has play numerous games at a higher quality than that Hawthorn game.

The only thing that holds him back are injuries.

But no, he hasn't progressed at all.

His vitals are virtually identical every year he's been in the AFL. And my eyes tell met that he still makes the same mistakes, as well as the same contributions. Every 4 weeks, or so, he'll have a good game before the same old same old.

Next week he'll have 14 or 15 possessions, take 5 marks, lay a tackle, split a couple of packs, headbutt the ball - spin around wondering where it's gone, kick into the man on the mark, give away a free kick or two, trip over someone, and kick 1 or 2 goals - 3 behinds. You'll come on and say how good he was.

Rinse and repeat. He's a poor man's David Neitz.

 

[Mighty Chinook]

His vitals are virtually identical every year he's been in the AFL. And my eyes tell met that he still makes the same mistakes, as well as the same contributions. Every 4 weeks, or so, he'll have a good game before the same old same old.

Next week he'll have 14 or 15 possessions, take 5 marks, lay a tackle, split a couple of packs, headbutt the ball - spin around wondering where it's gone, kick into the man on the mark, give away a free kick or two, trip over someone, and kick 1 or 2 goals - 3 behinds. You'll come on and say how good he was.

Rinse and repeat. He's a poor man's David Neitz.

Absolutely spot on. Hang on though, he's only playing poorly because of his injuries.