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We need to draft on a needs basis with our first two picks this year.

First priorities are a ruck and a key forward. We could then select someone like Davenport with pick 58 if we are not having a selection in the PSD.

No need for another defender even if he is the best available player.
 
Damn, I had just typed out the ideal message but it didn't go through. Trust me, what I'm gonna type now is a lot worse than what it would have been.

Its not ****ing surplus.
We take the best available with our first pick, if it is a backman then we take him, and I believe if Hurley dropped down he would be the best available unless Watts somehow dropped with him.
Our backline would be ideal if we got Hurley; it would contribute as much to our team than if we got a forward at 8.

And I couldn't give a shit whether Beav agrees with me or not, its just I remember him saying something like this and he could probably explain it alot better than myself.
 
getthefooty said:
Damn, I had just typed out the ideal message but it didn't go through. Trust me, what I'm gonna type now is a lot worse than what it would have been.

Its not ****ing surplus.
We take the best available with our first pick, if it is a backman then we take him, and I believe if Hurley dropped down he would be the best available unless Watts somehow dropped with him.
Our backline would be ideal if we got Hurley; it would contribute as much to our team than if we got a forward at 8.

And I couldn't give a shit whether Beav agrees with me or not, its just I remember him saying something like this and he could probably explain it alot better than myself.
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Why draft what we don't need? We have excellent depth in KP backmen and plenty of HB flankers too. It would be sheer stupidity to draft another KPD when we have other needs.
 

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@ Tiger, because Hurley is a gun and could be alot better at whatever else was remaining. We would be stupid to pass that talent up. And as I have said in other threads, I still believe we could do with another big bodied backman.

@Fish. OK. We have Thursfield as a possible Full back. Moore is a type that really needs to take 3rd or 4th forwards. McGuane same thing. Rance we havn't seen yet. Schulz is a hack. Taking Hurley would only add much needed depth to our tall defenders. It would just set up our backline for the future. We would barely have to worry about it again. I'm not sure there would be any good enough forwards to take at 8.
 
If Hurley is the best available, then I wouldn't be against going for him. But I'll leave that decision to the recruiters because they have been watching the players. If there are a number of players rated similarly left at pick 8, I'd leave Hurley alone.
 
We shouldn't pass on him if he is available (wich i dont think he will be)
But if by some chance we did snag him i would hope we played him forward as he has proven he can to so and do very well.

I can see him becoming a Roughead type player
 
getthefooty said:
@ Tiger, because Hurley is a gun and could be alot better at whatever else was remaining. We would be stupid to pass that talent up. And as I have said in other threads, I still believe we could do with another big bodied backman.

@Fish. OK. We have Thursfield as a possible Full back. Moore is a type that really needs to take 3rd or 4th forwards. McGuane same thing. Rance we havn't seen yet. Schulz is a hack. Taking Hurley would only add much needed depth to our tall defenders. It would just set up our backline for the future. We would barely have to worry about it again. I'm not sure there would be any good enough forwards to take at 8.
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For mine, Moore can take number 1 forwards, he did beat Fev this year.
 
I was talking more to Buddy the Hawk GTF.

simmer down mate.

I think Moore's rebounding abilities are great and would be wasted if he was used on the the number one forward for the rest of his career
 

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at the risk of deja vu, Hurley can play CHF just as good as he can CHB. Hes done it many times before!!!

His strength is his ability to read play and position himself accordingly. Has a super quick football brain and is a prodigious kick, so why is it that every one has him locked as a backman only?

I can easily see those talents at CHF in future. Hes good at bringing teamates into the game (read-crumbers), much more than Riewoldt anyway. Cleve is more a leading FF for mine.

but there is no way in hell he will reach us anyway so save all your steam for another thread :thumbsu:
 
JSFish said:
So Hurley would make it 7. One unlikely to play again, one a reasonable utility, and 5 strictly KPD. People say it will give us depth down back, but maybe try drafting players where we actually need them positionally, rather than drafting them where we don't need them, but would like an extra one in case 3 or 4 get injured.
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While Moore currently plays as a KPD, I think he will be best suited to playing as a mid sized defender, able to play on roaming HFF's. He can fill the role we're trying to get McMahon to play which is an accountable yet rebounding defender. Moore has a better defensive side to his game than Jordy, but has also shown he knows when to run off to create that extra man in attacking moves.

Also if Hurley was to be picked up by us, I would like to see Schulz moved back to the forward line alongside Riewoldt, Morton & Hughes. Get this young group working together and they could be the foundations of a very successful set up, especially with the like of Deledio, Cotchin, Brown rotating through as well.
 
The best FB we've had in the last 20 years started as a forward (Scott Turner). I dont like the idea of drafting key defenders with a 1st round pick. And I agree with whoever said we have enough key backmen.

Prefer we get midfielders and key forwards, and rookie draft a couple of ruckmen.
 
if he falls to our pick we take him unless hartlett or ziebell is also out our pick. i rate hurley more than sidebottom. but now that carlton got warnock if port pass vickery they wont take him and go for hurley. unless they want to add more depth to there midfield
 
Realistic Tiger said:
While Moore currently plays as a KPD, I think he will be best suited to playing as a mid sized defender, able to play on roaming HFF's. He can fill the role we're trying to get McMahon to play which is an accountable yet rebounding defender. Moore has a better defensive side to his game than Jordy, but has also shown he knows when to run off to create that extra man in attacking moves.

Also if Hurley was to be picked up by us, I would like to see Schulz moved back to the forward line alongside Riewoldt, Morton & Hughes. Get this young group working together and they could be the foundations of a very successful set up, especially with the like of Deledio, Cotchin, Brown rotating through as well.
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See that's what I was trying to say Fish.

@ elliot - Yeah sorry about the snappy reply, was in a "I'm cooler than everyone else" mood. Maybe you should've quoted him.
 

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JSFish said:
I've never said I wouldn't take Hurley if he was there. My first post in this thread was to do with RT saying we could use another defender - nothing to do with Hurley - which I disagree with.
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I've said it in other threads, the main reason I'm keen on getting another KPD in is because of the question marks over Polak returning. If Polak was a certainty then I wouldn't be worried but I just feel we're a bit light on down back with effectively 4 true KPD in Will Moore McGuane and the kid Rance and 1 utility tall in Schulz who effectively plays as a spare man in defence rather than an accountable tall defender or gets thrown forwards in desperation.

Would like to see us get one more KPD this year that we can develop for 1-2 years with Rance so that in the next couple of years we'll have real depth in the KPD positions. This year the Hawks nearly cost themselves a premiership because they had to play Croad for weeks with a broken foot because they didn't have depth to cover him. Would hate for us to be up there in the finals and suffer an injury to a couple of our current crop only to realise we don't have anyone to turn to.

I know that sounds a bit dramatic but after waiting so long, I don't want to see anything we could have prevented by being smart now, ruin our tilt at glory. :D
 
But Hawthorn don't have the same KPD stocks as we do. And again, I understand wanting as many KPD's as possible - if we could I'd like 30 of them to be safe - but we have a limited amount of spots on the list, and as such need to balance the depth across the park, rather than having a lot of backups in one area, and very few or even none in another.
 
JSFish said:
But Hawthorn don't have the same KPD stocks as we do. And again, I understand wanting as many KPD's as possible - if we could I'd like 30 of them to be safe - but we have a limited amount of spots on the list, and as such need to balance the depth across the park, rather than having a lot of backups in one area, and very few or even none in another.
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I'm not saying we load up on nothing but KPD's, I just want to get one more on the list. We would then have 5 between 19-25. Up the other end in terms of KPF's we would also have 5 with Riewoldt, Hughes, Putt, Gourdis and Schulz.

I believe the list would be in pretty good shape moving forward if we had 5 developing talls at either end with 3 ruckmen on the senior list and another 1 on the rookie list. Thats 14 spots taken up from a possible 44, means we would then have 30 odd spots available for midfielders, HBF's & HFF's. Seems like a pretty good balance if you ask me.
 
Realistic Tiger said:
I'm not saying we load up on nothing but KPD's, I just want to get one more on the list. We would then have 5 between 19-25. Up the other end in terms of KPF's we would also have 5 with Riewoldt, Hughes, Putt, Gourdis and Schulz.

I believe the list would be in pretty good shape moving forward if we had 5 developing talls at either end with 3 ruckmen on the senior list and another 1 on the rookie list. Thats 14 spots taken up from a possible 44, means we would then have 30 odd spots available for midfielders, HBF's & HFF's. Seems like a pretty good balance if you ask me.
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Fair enough. But...you're counting Schulz as a forward and not as a backman, and to be honest Moore, Thursfield, McGuane, Rance, Hurley >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riewoldt, Hughes, Putt, Gourdis, and Schulz. So while there may be a balance in numbers, there is a bit of an inbalance in talent.
 

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