Hutchy says, Ralphy says, Jeff says Melbourne Relocate
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At the moment the capacity is going to be around 20k, although some parties are pushing for it to be greater. 25k would be ideal imho. Casey are trying to get additional funding from the AFL and the Government, and they're using this to try and entice Melbourne to make the move permanent and to play games there.
Bring it on I say
That would be awesome and in one of Melbournes fastest growing area's! I can see more than just the Dee's playing matches out there if this is the case.
Went to Pakenham last week and can't believe how far Melbourne is expanding out East/South East! It is a whole new frontier for AFL with lots of young kids to get into your club
I really wish he didn't have to make a comment about EVERYTHING. Jeeze i hate him.
i'm sorry but if melbourne draw 20,000 for games against sides like freo and port, they'd only get about 10k out at casey... the key is to broker a better deal with the MCC... continue to close the top decks of the stands to save expenses when hosting the games...
Maybe the proposed colours clashed with his handbag collection.
Ask the teachers who lost their jobs and the kids who had their schools closed from underneath them.
Ask the doctors and nurses who have had their commitment to their jobs cut down by the fact that there are less hospital services and less hospitals than what there were in 1991.
Ask the police, who saw nearly 10% of the workforce go in one go and are still having problems.
Ask the commuters, who since the privatisation of the railways, tramways and buses, has seen customer service standards fall (removing of conductors a perfect example).
Was he actually that good? Look at the "losers" here as opposed to the "winners".
And I haven't even mentioned the arrogance with how he treated many communities (you Dan, living in the area I do, would know of the Toxic Dump disaster in 1997...the Liberals in this area basically didn't exist for 6-7 years after that - how could they?)
Jeff was just calling a spade a spade. (probably should have kept his mouth shut, but anyway). Every other club in trouble has come up with initiatives to get their clubs out of financial dire straits.
What has Melbourne done? Called us 'Tasmania Hawks'.
Way to go Gardner, keep the 'insults' coming. Just don't forget you are screwed up the the eyeballs financially.
What has Melbourne done? Called us 'Tasmania Hawks'.
Way to go Gardner, keep the 'insults' coming. Just don't forget you are screwed up the the eyeballs financially.
GAMBLER
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Quite ironic really, Gardiner is insulting a club whos supporters his club relies on turning up tommorow to improve the financial state of his football club.
So far this year Melbourne have only drawn 30K to 2 games this season so they obviously need all the fans they can to get out to their games
So far this year Melbourne have only drawn 30K to 2 games this season so they obviously need all the fans they can to get out to their games
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by 2016!!!! as a wc supporter trying to get a membership seat and if the waiting list is still high i wont be able to get a seat to watch a game.
Kennett gets burnt for his honesty.
Someone asked him what he thought they need to do and he gave an honest opinion.People get all outraged, but surely its more refreshing than hearing the usual spin, and nothings that come out in the media where people don't actual say anything of substance, or avoid the question._
Melbourne are in trouble and Kennett believes that unless they do something drastic they will die, calling us the "Tassie Hawks" is not going to change that fact, and is a childish retort more likely to be heard on Bay 13.
Someone asked him what he thought they need to do and he gave an honest opinion.People get all outraged, but surely its more refreshing than hearing the usual spin, and nothings that come out in the media where people don't actual say anything of substance, or avoid the question._
Melbourne are in trouble and Kennett believes that unless they do something drastic they will die, calling us the "Tassie Hawks" is not going to change that fact, and is a childish retort more likely to be heard on Bay 13.
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No, I’m just disappointed
it has everything to do with it. Integrity isn't a bad quality in a president, is it?
If you want to suggest that Kennett isn't fit, look in your own backyard.
Kennett may be a buffoon on occasions but Pratt oversaw a company committing a crime, one that has cost us all money.
Pratt is lucky he committed his crime here. He did that in the States, he'd be behind bars for a very long time.
Maybe so, but it would only be fair to back up statments with PROOF
Hawthorn
Members: 39,478
Attendances in Melb: 50518
Melbourne
Members: 27000
Attendances in Melb: 30313
Face it, your club is a mess. FFS the 'Tassie' Hawks draw 20000 more fans to games and have 12000 more members in your home state. Take out games against the 'Tassie' Hawks and Blues and you've barely drawn 20000 to your games in Melbourne.
Fact is, Jeff was fundementally correct with what he said, you have the SMALLEST support base in the league, the LOWEST Auskick supporters coming through the system, have NO PRESENSE in the media and have NO HOPE of improving your list given the new concessions and are pinning your clubs future on a region that has NO MELBOURNE SUPPORT BASE.
What a future
I'd rather be called the Tasmania Hawks (its Tassie Hawks BTW) by a muppet that is sitting duck, then support a club that in all likliehood won't be around in 5 years time.
Your club is a mess and has the audacity to mock one of the most powerful Victorian clubs, you have no right to do that. Fact is, your financial result for the season is heavily reliant on how many 'Tassie' Hawks supporters turn up tommorow and you can't change that.
But hey, just calling a spade a spade
If we were worried about pinning our clubs future on a region that has no melbourne support base like you say, then why the fcuk would we listen to your waste of oxygen president and move to Queensland??
Hmm no presence in the media, that sure is a nice 'fact' you have there, I wonder what Garry Lyon would say about that? iv also read on this very website that people think footy classified devotes too much time to melbourne. The only reason you seem to have a media presence is that your president keeps putting his foot in it and you are actually winning games. Enjoy it while it lasts. Smallest support base - don't know where you are getting that from we actually have a large support base the problem is that alot of them are MCC members and that is a problem that will have to change. And apparently we have no hope of improving our list due to the new draft concessions.. does this apply to essendon and west coast aswel? You realise not all good teams need to bottom out for a few years like hawthorn to come good again.
And hey, if we come last like everyone expects us too, we could pick up an exciting prospect like Nicholas Naitanui and mould him into our very own Buddy Franklin. Hawthorn has shown us how one good player can help attract bandwagon supporters back to the club! Maybe then we can have an awesome media presence like hawthorn! Then our supporters can be as arrogant and pig-headed as hawthorns! Thanks for showing us the light Dawks!
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It wasn't a deflection, it was quite fitting actually. Kennett makes a tool of himself and Gardner stands up for his club. Not too hard to comprehend is it?
How can we be in denial if we are actively making steps to improve our situation as an AFL football club? Denial is where you do not accept the situation you are in. Kennett made a fool of himself because he based his stupid statement not only on his biased and jaded view of Melbourne's direction but also the fact there are too many teams in Melbourne. If there are too many teams in Melbourne then Kennett can always make your next trip to Tassie one-way.
Maybe so, but it would only be fair to back up statments with PROOF
Hawthorn
Members: 39,478
Attendances in Melb: 50518
Melbourne
Members: 27000
Attendances in Melb: 30313
Face it, your club is a mess. FFS the 'Tassie' Hawks draw 20000 more fans to games and have 12000 more members in your home state. Take out games against the 'Tassie' Hawks and Blues and you've barely drawn 20000 to your games in Melbourne.
Fact is, Jeff was fundementally correct with what he said, you have the SMALLEST support base in the league, the LOWEST Auskick supporters coming through the system, have NO PRESENSE in the media and have NO HOPE of improving your list given the new concessions and are pinning your clubs future on a region that has NO MELBOURNE SUPPORT BASE.
What a future
I'd rather be called the Tasmania Hawks (its Tassie Hawks BTW) by a muppet that is sitting duck, then support a club that in all likliehood won't be around in 5 years time.
Your club is a mess and has the audacity to mock one of the most powerful Victorian clubs, you have no right to do that. Fact is, your financial result for the season is heavily reliant on how many 'Tassie' Hawks supporters turn up tommorow and you can't change that.
But hey, just calling a spade a spade
Don't talk shiite Hawkk.
What you're saying is that no club has any chance to improve their list becaue of the new concessions?
pfft, stick to your stats peanut.
Melbourne is the lowest profile club in the league. Ask any journo, run a negative story about Melbourne and you get the lowest response amongst the public, a point noted on the Coach last year. That's not to say you dont have passionate fans, but you probably have the lowest profile club in Melbourne - North perhaps aside.
Look at the Roy Morgan figures, the Dreamteam numbers or even the numbers of supporters here on Bigfooty. You lag behind almost every Victorian club on measurement of support. Eddie McGuire and Jeff Kennett both made this point at the function, Melbourne need to establish what exactly is their consumer base and what does it stand for.
Your heartland is traditionally the MCC (where 22% of members barrack for Melbourne) but your slowly starting to lose dominance in this area as more and more Essendon supporters join MCC ranks - last year it was reported that 15% of MCC members now barrack for Essendon. 40 years ago, probably 80% of MCC members barracked for the Demons. As the MCC demographics expand its only natural that more and more Collingwood and Essendon supporters will join the ranks.
You've also got the lowest number of Auskick nominated supporters in the league, a pointed noted by Caroline Wilson earlier this year, lagging behind Pies, Bombers, Tigers, Blues and Hawks.
With the draft concessions for the new clubs, priority drafting rules and more clubs being weary about trading for picks, its going to be very hard to rebuild a list quickly using the draft.
When we were on the bottom we had access to 2 top 5 picks (without finishing last) as well as traded Hay, Thompson etc. for 1st round picks. On top of that, we had alot of success in the 2001 draft - Hodge, Mitchell, Brown, Osborne, Ladson etc. the players today which are bearing fruit.
My worry is the reluctance of clubs today to give up picks for a passed its used by date player.
I hope you do, Im just outlining the struggles alot of clubs are going to find with the new draft rules amongst other things. Melbourne's not the only team in this boat, Essendon's probably worse!
I hope the Demons improve, but critising the club for playing games in Tasmania - which has been an outstanding success for the club, is quite comical given the state of your club.
Yes, 10 years ago we were in your position perhaps worse, but we've spent 10-15 years building and have made the tough decisions that have really come off. Be that relocating to Waverley in the early 1990's and embracing the region, playing games in Tasmania and garnering support or trading Trent Croad for picks which netted us Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge (our current captain and vice captain) The success we have today didnt just come over night, or fluking a Lance Franklin at the draft table...its taken alot of blood, sweat and tears and sacrifise by supporters.
Your President mocking the directions of our club which have made us a financial power and a road map for you club is comical, granted the comments by Kennett may have been out of line and unprovoked, but still?
Its not a lost cause, but its going to be a lot harder then it was a few years ago. People are a lot more weary of draft picks today compared to what they were 3-4 years ago.
Just look at the rookie list, 5 years ago it was a pointless exercise netting most clubs little results. But when Robertson, Sewell, Cox etc. started to become good alot of clubs took it more seriously and the attention payed to picking up rookies has improved out of sight.
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Ahhh Jeff - he puts the (j)ism into facism.
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That Melbourne should relocate to the Gold Coast. I know Kennett has never been a detail orietented, but he may be aware that the GC types are saying quite vociferously that they want their own team, not a Melbourne transplant, and that the AFL has already set in motion the process for how that wil come about.
