Society/Culture Hypocrisy of the left and right

[Chubberson]

What we can all see now though is where 'certain' hypocritical governments have taken their countries. The yellow vest riots in Europe are an absolute ringing endorsement on policy gone wrong and what happens when you elect elitists with no children to run countries. There is something amazing about watching people power in action toppling hypocritical elitist bureaucrats. Viva la France and Viva Marine la pen.

 

[western royboy]

John Howard made us look weak to the rest of the world.

An example

I am still waiting for Tone to shirt front him...

 

[Snake_Baker]

Life outside the left/right paradigm

 

[Seeds]

What we can all see now though is where 'certain' hypocritical governments have taken their countries. The yellow vest riots in Europe are an absolute ringing endorsement on policy gone wrong and what happens when you elect elitists with no children to run countries. There is something amazing about watching people power in action toppling hypocritical elitist bureaucrats. Viva la France and Viva Marine la pen.

Trump is more of an elitist then Macron. Trump even told his supporters that he was the most elite of the elite.

And the yellow vests are mostly protesting about not getting massive tax advantages for low income workers and more taxes on the rich. They stand for the opposite of what Trump stands for.

 

[Seeds]

Same thing here. Malcom Fraser's politics are probably left of today's Labor party.

Thats cos the left of 40 years ago were socialists and living standards were shocking as a result compared to todays standards. Unemployment, inflation and interest rates all through the roof.

 

[Seeds]

John Howard made us look weak to the rest of the world.

An example

Back in those days Putin was actually a pretty good leader. Very pro reform and supported democracy.

 

[Chubberson]

Trump is more of an elitist then Macron. Trump even told his supporters that he was the most elite of the elite.

And the yellow vests are mostly protesting about not getting massive tax advantages for low income workers and more taxes on the rich. They stand for the opposite of what Trump stands for.

Never said I liked Trump

 

[Seeds]

Never said I liked Trump

Fair enough

 

[yebiga]

Thats cos the left of 40 years ago were socialists and living standards were shocking as a result compared to todays standards. Unemployment, inflation and interest rates all through the roof.

You could not be more wrong
It’s wild ambit claim supported by zero

 

[Seeds]

You could not be more wrong
It’s wild ambit claim supported by zero

Which part? Dont be a simpleton and simoly say you are wrong. Say why for f*** sake.

 

[yebiga]

Which part? Dont be a simpleton and simoly say you are wrong. Say why for f*** sake.

Don’t be a simpleton and make contentious claims absent even the attempt to justify ffs

 

[Seeds]

Don’t be a simpleton and make contentious claims absent even the attempt to justify ffs

Why do we have to justify 1 plus 1 equals 2 to you conspiracy nut socialist morons. Unemployment rates of 8-10 per cent, Inflation rates of 20 percent, interest rates in the teens. Your denial basic facts of reality are staggering.

 

[twotooto]

Thats cos the left of 40 years ago were socialists and living standards were shocking as a result compared to todays standards. Unemployment, inflation and interest rates all through the roof.

Woah, woah, woah, hang on a sec there Mr. I'm on 400k/yr, here you are in this thread(and others)saying living standards are the best they've ever been and yet every chance you get, you'll lay the slipper in to Baby Boomers* and how they've "screwed the country". Who do you reckon was piloting the ship to facilitate these great leaps forward? Little green men on the moon?

Maybe you and the rest of the muppets that regularly bash the Baby Boomers should show a bit of respect and give a nod where a nod is due.

*No, I'm not a Baby Boomer.

 

[its free real estate]

If Seeds truly is on $400k a year, then that explains the global financial crisis.

 

[yebiga]

Why do we have to justify 1 plus 1 equals 2 to you conspiracy nut socialist morons. Unemployment rates of 8-10 per cent, Inflation rates of 20 percent, interest rates in the teens. Your denial basic facts of reality are staggering.

Firstly you response was to a post regarding Malcolm Fraser - who was in power from the mid 1970s to 1983 -

jobs during this period were full time. Part time / casual jobs were insignificant in number and those who worked part time and were looking for full time jobs were counted as unemployed.

Today an hour of work a week removes you from the unemployment statistics

To obtain unemployment benefit during this period an individual didn’t need to undergo an interrogation stress test of psychological torture - they merely asked for it. The assumption was to treat people with dignity not as criminals.

The unemployment benefit was sufficient for two unemployed people to consolidate and rent a property whilst living something a kin to dignity.

As tertiary education was free an unemployed person could retrain themselves and build a future becoming a contributor to the culture. They were not humiliated.

There was not a myriad of government agencies to intimidate and harass the unemployed or to provide a bevy of esoteric assistance to an ever growing number of underprivileged categories.

There was also a pretty universal and totally free health sector which has been eroded and has certainly not improved as we should expect.

As for inflation and interest rates
That was a complex global economic issue - and the solutions we found were but one crude and non optimal model.

I’m pleased to discuss it but it requires its own thread

Suffice to say that high interest rates are not as patent bad as you suggest.
With 4% interest rates a home today must cost a $million but with 15% the same home now is worth perhaps $250k - that s all that happens. In the end prices are determined by what people can pay.

Similarly with inflation - wages and cost of goods chase each other.

Numerous studies show that the mid 1970s were the most egalitarian in history Measured by the fact the the wealth differences were the flattest in history.

And that is what a healthy sustainable society must aim for.
Distinctions in wealth must exist. But to extract the best from the greatest number requires wealth movement to be fluid.

Instituionalising poverty criminality homelessness is not healthy.

On any number of cultural categories we are not better off at all. We are a meaner more wasteful, dumber, less resilient, lacking purpose, distracted, fatter, more addicted, sicker people. A larger % of our population lacks the most basic life skills and have become increasingly reliant on the state.

 

[Seeds]

Woah, woah, woah, hang on a sec there Mr. I'm on 400k/yr, here you are in this thread(and others)saying living standards are the best they've ever been and yet every chance you get, you'll lay the slipper in to Baby Boomers* and how they've "screwed the country". Who do you reckon was piloting the ship to facilitate these great leaps forward? Little green men on the moon?

Maybe you and the rest of the muppets that regularly bash the Baby Boomers should show a bit of respect and give a nod where a nod is due.

*No, I'm not a Baby Boomer.

The worlds the best its ever been but it could be even better and it could also get worse. The baby boomers issue of manipulating power is more of a western world issue not as much a global issue. And i dont say the baby boomers have ruined everything. They did a lot of great stuff earlier in promoting liberalism. They have stolen wealth from their kids though and are now turning to nationalism as they age which has the potential to start sending living standards backwards.

 

[Seeds]

If Seeds truly is on $400k a year, then that explains the global financial crisis.

Lol. I was just out of uni during the gfc and only on about 50 grand a year back then.

 

[Snake_Baker]

ENOUGH!

This thread is dedicated to highlighting that ALL major parties and their contemporary politics are woefully inadequate.

There's plenty of other threads for cheerleading. Use them.

 

[Seeds]

ENOUGH!

This thread is dedicated to highlighting that ALL major parties and their contemporary politics are woefully inadequate.

There's plenty of other threads for cheerleading. Use them.

Inadequate based on what goal? How do you define inadequate. I cant see how you do that without being a utopian.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Inadequate based on what goal? How do you define inadequate. I cant see how you do that without being a utopian.

It's not up for debate.

 

[Seeds]

It's not up for debate.

If it wasnt up for debate than you would be able to explain it.

I agree it is inadequate but i only can do so because Im a utopian and can explain it in utopian terms.

If you cant explain it than you should shut this thread down and admit you were wrong to bring it up.

 

[Seeds]

Wasn't sure were to put this but this thread looks good enough. We are all hypocrites although I am directing this at the left. Inspired by the Melbourne comic having a crack at Anzac Day (perhaps this is her credo?):

I don’t give a rats about and won’t respect anything or anyone that has come before me (except maybe a few of the rebellious types that told the establishment to get nicked).

I challenge everything and anyone in authority because nothing is more important to me than my rights (except maybe the rights of the latest minority group I am championing on facebook).

I reject my own heritage and am abhorred by the conduct of my forefathers regardless of the fact that their actions have contributed if not created the lifestyle I now enjoy (except for Great Aunty Barb who married a Chinese migrant, but was widowed at 35 and went on to single handily raise five children and adopt three more while volunteering every week to visit the elderly from her church…… wait a second did I just say church? Nup she is evil too).

I reject God because the idea of serving or acknowledging something more important than myself is beneath me (except Buddhist Gods and possibly Alah and Aboriginal dreaming stuff because that’s pretty cool and cultural and edgy and stuff. Don’t worry that doesn’t contradict anything).

I reject the Western way of life despite enjoying the privileges it has afforded me (Please understand I really would like to live in Somalia or Syria or Afganistan and get out of this crap hole…. honestly. I’m just not sure the coffee would be the same).

I reject our defence forces past and present despite the fact I might not even be here without their personal sacrifices (if only social media was around in 1943, we could have defeated Hitler and the Japanese with a hashtag or filter).

I reject people willing to make real sacrifices in their own lives to ‘serve’ (because I serve too at the soup kitchen 'most' Thursday nights. Last week I even had to put my phone down for 30 seconds to help butter some bread rolls. Cost me at least 30 likes on Insta).

People reject god cos hes not real. It has nothing to do with rejecting authority.

And very few people make real sacrifices to serve. They serve because of status, income, they have figured out that helping others is one of the best ways to their own happiness or they serve to be rewarded in the afterlife. Of the few people who make real sacrifices, most do it because of logic malfunctions. They fail greatly to understand the concept of time.

 

[Snake_Baker]

At Least Bias Is Bipartisan: A Meta-Analytic Comparison of Partisan Bias in Liberals and Conservatives

Date Written: April 13, 2017

Abstract

One form of partisan bias is the tendency to more readily accept the validity of information that affirms one’s political beliefs than information that challenges those beliefs. Both liberals and conservatives accuse their political opponents of partisan bias, but is there empirical evidence that one side of the political aisle is indeed more biased than the other? To address this question, we meta-analyzed the results of 41 experimental studies of partisan bias involving over 12,000 participants who identified their political ideology. Based on previous literature, two hypotheses were tested: an asymmetry hypothesis (predicting greater partisan bias in conservatives than liberals) and a symmetry hypothesis (predicting equal levels of partisan bias in liberals and conservatives). Overall partisan bias was robust (r = .254) and there was strong support for the symmetry hypothesis: liberals (r = .248) and conservatives (r = .247) showed nearly identical levels of bias across studies. Several methodological features moderated the degree of overall bias, and the relative magnitude of bias in liberals and conservatives differed across political topics. Implications of the current findings for the ongoing ideological symmetry debate, and partisan bias’ role in scientific discourse and political conflict are discussed.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2952510

 

[Snake_Baker]

Proof that you left/right idiots..................are idiots.

Fake News Can Lead to False Memories

Voters may form false memories after seeing fabricated news stories, especially if those stories align with their political beliefs, according to research in Psychological Science.

The research was conducted in the week preceding the 2018 referendum on legalizing abortion in Ireland, but the researchers suggest that fake news is likely to have similar effects in other political contexts, including the US presidential race in 2020. “In highly emotional, partisan political contests, such as the 2020 US Presidential election, voters may ‘remember’ entirely fabricated news stories,” says lead author Gillian Murphy of University College Cork. “In particular, they are likely to ‘remember’ scandals that reflect poorly on the opposing candidate.”The study is novel because it examines misinformation and false memories in relation to a real-world referendum, Murphy explains. She and her colleagues, including APS Past President Elizabeth Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, recruited 3,140 eligible voters online and asked them whether and how they planned to vote in the referendum. Next, the experimenters presented each participant with six news reports, two of which were made-up stories that depicted campaigners on either side of the issue engaging in illegal or inflammatory behavior. After reading each story, participants were asked if they had heard about the event depicted in the story previously; if so, they reported whether they had specific memories about it.

The researchers then informed the eligible voters that some of the stories they read had been fabricated, and invited the participants to identify any of the reports they believed to be fake. Finally, the participants completed a cognitive test. Nearly half of the respondents reported a memory for at least one of the made-up events; many of them recalled rich details about a fabricated news story. The individuals in favor of legalizing abortion were more likely to remember a falsehood about the referendum opponents; those against legalization were more likely to remember a falsehood about the proponents. Many participants failed to reconsider their memory even after learning that some of the information could be fictitious. And several participants recounted details that the false news reports did not include. “This demonstrates the ease with which we can plant these entirely fabricated memories, despite this voter suspicion and even despite an explicit warning that they may have been shown fake news,” Murphy says. Participants who scored lower on the cognitive test were no more prone to forming false memories than were higher scorers, but low scorers were more likely to remember false stories that aligned with their opinions. This finding suggests that people with higher cognitive ability may be more likely to question their personal biases and their news sources, the researchers say.

Other collaborators on the project include Rebecca Hofstein Grady and Linda J. Levine at UC Irvine and Ciara Greene of University College Dublin. The researchers say they plan to expand on this study by investigating the influence of false memories related to the Brexit referendum and the “#MeToo movement.” Loftus says understanding the psychological effects of fake news is critical given that sophisticated technology is making it easier to create not only phony news reports and images, but fake video, as well. “People will act on their fake memories, and it is often hard to convince them that fake news is fake,” Loftus says. “With the growing ability to make news incredibly convincing, how are we going to help people avoid being misled? It’s a problem that psychological scientists may be uniquely qualified to work on.”

Fake News Can Lead to False Memories

Voters may form false memories after seeing fabricated news stories, especially if those stories align with their political beliefs, a study shows.

www.psychologicalscience.org

 

[Snake_Baker]

More proof that you're all idiots

https://t.co/FvQ1H9qnZy?amp=1