Hypocrisy of The Left - part 2

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The left: no go zones don't exist. You are a racist islamaphobe to suggest otherwise.

Now Mama Merkel has come out and said that they do exist in a last effort to remain in power

What will be the left's response ?

Still think the lefties would say no-go zones don't exist.

Why let the truth get in the way of your favourite ideology?
 

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first and foremost i have to say i'm saddened by the whole episode, as she seem to be in a dark place at the moment, and recent events won't help.
it now looks like one of the figureheads of the #metoo movement, rose mcgowan has gotten on the wrong side of the lgbtqi+ movement (more than previously) and created a shit storm for the ages, or at least for those invested in twitter activism.


a few different angles-
pink news
transphobic rage
women's march attacks #metoo leader

to top it all off, the heckler is accused of sexual assault too, while rose's supposed inaction on victor salva is getting a good run. saying something in interview or on twitter one time is the new televangelist/anti-gay republican being caught in a seedy motel with a prostitute of their persuasion.
What a circus.

******* identity politics.
 

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The left: no go zones don't exist. You are a racist islamaphobe to suggest otherwise.

Now Mama Merkel has come out and said that they do exist in a last effort to remain in power

What will be the left's response ?
Trying to win back votes from the far right of course.
 

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The labeling of anyone who opposes immigration as 'far right', what if the same people also advocate for welfare and taxes, are they still far right or does it apply only to certain policies?

Marine Le Pen is a good example, she had right wing immigration stances but her economic policies were quite left leaning yet was always referred to as a 'far right' candidate.
 
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The labeling of anyone who opposes immigration as 'far right', what if the same people also advocate for welfare and taxes, are they still far right or does it apply only to certain policies?

Marine Le Pen is a good example, she had right wing immigration stances but her economic policies were quite left leaning yet was always referred to as a 'far right' candidate.
I wouldn't even just say she was left leaning economically, but hard left. Wilders from Holland was also labeled far right when he was a leftie on most issues. It's weird.
 

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I wouldn't even just say she was left leaning economically, but hard left. Wilders from Holland was also labeled far right when he was a leftie on most issues. It's weird.
That's where the real hypocrisy of the left lies. For some on the far left, you have to subscribe to every ideological position required. If you deviate in some key areas - notably immigration from what I've noticed - then you are excluded from the group. Not all are like that of course, but you don't have to search far and wide to see where the far left eat each other alive.
 

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The labeling of anyone who opposes immigration as 'far right', what if the same people also advocate for welfare and taxes, are they still far right or does it apply only to certain policies?

Marine Le Pen is a good example, she had right wing immigration stances but her economic policies were quite left leaning yet was always referred to as a 'far right' candidate.
And this is what I have been saying for years. There is no such thing as a left and right.
 

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Haven't posted too much in this thread at all, so may be a tangent to what you've been discussing, but this was a really good article about the Australian left political movement and the biggest problem that it is currently facing

https://overland.org.au/2018/02/we-had-marx-they-had-pauline-left-organising-in-poor-communities/

The past few years have been full of lessons. Ever since the spread of what might broadly be termed right-populism (Trump, Brexit, Hanson: all those familiar symbols), what was initially horror-struck confusion in progressive circles has coalesced into general agreement around the terms of the problem: the left has burrowed too snugly into its comfort zone of urban cosmopolitanism, and has abandoned the material concerns of those disenfranchised by late-stage capitalism. The resulting vacuum has proved fruitful for the right wing of politics, which has eagerly vocalised – and, in many cases, racialised – these concerns.
Won't post the whole article, but I think it's a good read - gets into the propensity to worry too much about identity politics/language etc rather than actual material welfare of the poor
 

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Haven't posted too much in this thread at all, so may be a tangent to what you've been discussing, but this was a really good article about the Australian left political movement and the biggest problem that it is currently facing

https://overland.org.au/2018/02/we-had-marx-they-had-pauline-left-organising-in-poor-communities/



Won't post the whole article, but I think it's a good read - gets into the propensity to worry too much about identity politics/language etc rather than actual material welfare of the poor
Yeah bruh, the greatest con the corporate world has ever played is to make the masses care more about petty terminology than the welfare of those suffering as income equality increases.
 

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Yeah bruh, the greatest con the corporate world has ever played is to make the masses care more about petty terminology than the welfare of those suffering as income equality increases.
Well Marx would hardly recognise the socialist far left these days. One of Marxs' main tenants was the economic progress of the lower class (not individual groups within it) through exploitation of the natural environment through the capitalist system. You very rarely hear the words lower class (which has largely been replaced by identity and intersectionality) or resource exploitation (which has largely evaporated as a policy on the left) and well capitalism (that word heresy on the far left these days)
 

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The labeling of anyone who opposes immigration as 'far right', what if the same people also advocate for welfare and taxes, are they still far right or does it apply only to certain policies?

Marine Le Pen is a good example, she had right wing immigration stances but her economic policies were quite left leaning yet was always referred to as a 'far right' candidate.
Yeh nah the Le Pens are centrists - its only us SJWs who have a problem with her. Its traditional for the far right to believe in a strong state to give welfare to the volk and to liquidate the rest

"The Nazi social welfare provisions included old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes, interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance, which was not decreed mandatory until 1941.[6] One of the NSV branches, the Office of Institutional and Special Welfare, was responsible “for travellers’ aid at railway stations; relief for ex-convicts; ‘support’ for re-migrants from abroad; assistance for the physically disabled, hard-of-hearing, deaf, mute, and blind; relief for the elderly, homeless and alcoholics; and the fight against illicit drugs and epidemics.”[7] The Office of Youth Relief, which had 30,000 branch offices by 1941, took the job of supervising “social workers, corrective training, mediation assistance,” and dealing with judicial authorities to prevent juvenile delinquency.[8]

One of the NSV's premier activities was Winter Relief of the German People, which coordinated an annual drive to collect charity for the poor under the slogan: “None shall starve or freeze.” These social welfare programs represented a Hitlerian endeavor to lift the community above the individual while promoting the wellbeing of all bona fide citizens. As Hitler told a reporter in 1934, he was determined to give Germans “the highest possible standard of living.”[9]
 

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Well Marx would hardly recognise the socialist far left these days. One of Marxs' main tenants was the economic progress of the lower class (not individual groups within it) through exploitation of the natural environment through the capitalist system. You very rarely hear the words lower class (which has largely been replaced by identity and intersectionality) or resource exploitation (which has largely evaporated as a policy on the left) and well capitalism (that word heresy on the far left these days)
Sorry the whole argument in Capital is based on the alienation and exploitation of the working class - the dialectic does not work otherwise - also what was the best selling book by Thomas Pikkety called again - I just can't recall - oh yes "Capital in the 21st century" ["heresy on the far left these days"]
 
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