Hypocrisy of The Left - part 2

[geelong_crazy26]

So is this one white nationalist on multiple accounts? It's boring.

Just watching Rita Panahi on Sky an Iranian born female refugee who because she is part of the right is called every name under the sun by the left.

Strange how the left are fine with people on the right being subject to sexism and racism, lets be honest the lefts true agenda is communism.

You cant stand the fact we live in a country were some people have 20 houses and others have 0.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Over a century ago we were told the Irish were violent drunks who would never assimilate into 'civilized' society.
Then we had waves of Italians, Irish who would never assimilate
The Chinese have been in Australia since the days of the Gold-rush
Then Vietnamese immigrants of the 70s.

If "Western values" (a term that people struggle to even define) has survived waves upon waves of movements from mass-migration multiple times to 'progressive causes' that threatened to tear apart the fabric of society such as women being allowed to vote, equal pay for equal work, recognition of native people as citizens, abolishment of slavery, etc etc. - why now are 'Western values' under threat? Are those values so weak that they are incompatible with modern life?

1.We are currently taking in immigrants from countries who have a very different culture to our own, previous waves of immigrants were from countries that had a way of life that had more in common with our own than the current wave.

2.Previous progressive causes were about equality of opportunity which is a right wing belief, current progressive or more accurately regressive causes are about equality of outcomes which is a socialist belief.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Dear lefties the difference between a person with 10 houses and a person with 0 is the person with 10 has made better life choices.

 

[Mofra]

Dear lefties the difference between a person with 10 houses and a person with 0 is the person with 10 has made better life choices.

0.5/10

Poor attempt at trolling, try harder next time.

 

[Malifice]

Dear lefties the difference between a person with 10 houses and a person with 0 is the person with 10 has made better life choices.

Gine Rhineheart has made better life choices than some kid born to drunk parents in a remote Aboriginal community?

Donald Trump has made better life choices than some kid in the slums of India?

Do you honestly believe that, or is it the case that there is more to wealth than 'personal choice'?

 

[Hoops]

equality of opportunity which is a right wing belief,

BS. Equality of opportunity is a mainstream (centrist ) belief.

 

[madmug]

Immigration and multiculturalism are truly the issues of our times, see Brexit, Trump, and several Western European elections.

When I go overseas, I want to see something different. Not just in the landscape, but in the culture. Will hundreds (or thousands) of years of tradition and culture last?

In a couple of centuries time (assuming mankind is still around, and on earth) I'm sure we will be one homogeneous blob. Is this a positive or a negative?

The right want strong borders, and wish to retain Western values. Then - perhaps hypocritically - view things like the Yuenling dog festival in China, and the treatment of women in the middle east, as repulsive.

Is it that the right wing wish to hold back progress and prevent borders from opening to hundreds of thousands of people from these cultures due to simple racism, or is it that they wish to maintain their identity and not be dragged back to standards that they consider unacceptable?

The pejorative term "regressive left" has been coined, describing how the left possibly want to stoop to the level of cultures that we consider to be "behind" our values, rather than waiting for them to catch up.

Who are the true "progressives"??

Catch up?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Gine Rhineheart has made better life choices than some kid born to drunk parents in a remote Aboriginal community?

Donald Trump has made better life choices than some kid in the slums of India?

Do you honestly believe that, or is it the case that there is more to wealth than 'personal choice'?

I was obviously putting it very simply but I do believe that for most people born in Australia they can be successful. I am not talking about people born in 3rd world countries. Yes obviously there are a few exceptions but for the majority good choices will lead to a good life.

Every single person I know who doesn't have much money has made poor choices at some point which usually includes making choices such as wasting their education, committing crimes, taking drugs and having children at a very young age. I went to a private secondary school and government primary school so my friends were split evenly between the 2 . The difference in attitude towards work and education between the 2 was massive.

The problems in aboriginal communities are complex but we have got to face up to the fact that many of these aboriginal communities will never offer a viable economic future. Part of the condition to receiving welfare should be that people in these remote areas have to be willing to relocate to find work when none exists in their community.

 

[madmug]

Gine Rhineheart has made better life choices than some kid born to drunk parents in a remote Aboriginal community?

Donald Trump has made better life choices than some kid in the slums of India?

Do you honestly believe that, or is it the case that there is more to wealth than 'personal choice'?

Its the old discussion point about life opportunities being strongly associated to you're socioeconomic starting point.

I think its obvious that being born into a certain level socioeconomic status increases your chance to maintain or improve that economic status in your life.

I know people who have worked hard to buy their house & raise a family. They own 1 house so haven't seen their life time assets rise like those with more houses. Or those with who have a large investment portfolio.

Education is probably our strongest factor in enabling people to improve their socioeconomic position. The outcomes linked to the quality of that education & the cultural/social factors which the young person brings to that educational opportunity. ie their family. The family has a huge effect on the child, particularly in their formative years 0-4 years of age. Add to that the kids peer group & you can see the forces which strongly direct the development of a child & strongly affects their life chances.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Dear lefties the difference between a person with 10 houses and a person with 0 is the person with 10 has made better life choices.

It’s unfair in the eyes of the lefties! As they feel that that are self entitled and the world owes them!They ignore the sacrifice & risks involved, but just rage with jealousy of the odd person out of many that succeed

 

[bombersfan4000]

Gine Rhineheart has made better life choices than some kid born to drunk parents in a remote Aboriginal community?

Donald Trump has made better life choices than some kid in the slums of India?

Do you honestly believe that, or is it the case that there is more to wealth than 'personal choice'?

Not every one that has money now days are born in to it!

Many people are straight lazydo not realise the opportunities that present them self but just whinge it whilst mocking others out there having a go

 

[madmug]

It’s unfair in the eyes of the lefties! As they feel that that are self entitled and the world owes them!They ignore the sacrifice & risks involved, but just rage with jealousy of the odd person out of many that succeed

Oh give me a break.

The problem is the uneven start in life that affects many people. Also things like a major health issue car severely cruel peoples life chances.

Good luck to those born with the silver spoon syndrome, also those with good physical & mental health, also those born with certain valued abilities, like kicking a football.

What a lot of us rail about is the uneven educational opportunities in our country. Education is strongly associated with health. Health is a huge cost to the taxpayer. So spend more on the quality of one & you'll save on the other.

Also decriminalise personal drugs use. Make it a health issue. That'll save $millions in incarceration costs & reduce corruption in police forces.

Also spend more on getting the homeless into a home. It'll save heaps on health costs again. People with a roof over their head will be healthier & will also be more able to be employed if their not chasing accommodation every day.

This is stuff a well off country like Australia can & should do.

 

[Malifice]

Not every one that has money now days are born in to it!

Many people are straight lazydo not realise the opportunities that present them self but just whinge it whilst mocking others out there having a go

Yeah I agree.

My point is that luck (and the decisions of others) has as much to do with you being wealthy or not than personal choice. Heck I would argue luck and the choices of others has more to do with it.

Disabled child born in the Indian slums as opposed to white male born to a wealthy family in Australia. Luck of the draw, and social advantage and disadvantage play a huge role in wealth and success.

Yeah you can be Rhinehearts kids and squander the lot, or you could be Oprah and come from food stamps to 3 billion dollars or whatver she has. They're the exceptions though, not the rule.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Over a century ago we were told the Irish were violent drunks who would never assimilate into 'civilized' society.
Then we had waves of Italians, Irish who would never assimilate
The Chinese have been in Australia since the days of the Gold-rush
Then Vietnamese immigrants of the 70s.

If "Western values" (a term that people struggle to even define) has survived waves upon waves of movements from mass-migration multiple times to 'progressive causes' that threatened to tear apart the fabric of society such as women being allowed to vote, equal pay for equal work, recognition of native people as citizens, abolishment of slavery, etc etc. - why now are 'Western values' under threat? Are those values so weak that they are incompatible with modern life?

I agree that each wave of immigrants you mentioned were initially feared, but then assimilated. But not without some choosing to start criminal gangs or cause other problems.

The influx of refugees into Europe surpasses any of those waves, however. And excessive welfare schemes remove the incentive to work and, therefore, assimilate. Back home, printing school news letters in foreign languages and other such do-gooder schemes also remove the incentive to assimilate.

I would like to see Australia have slow, merit-based immigration, with refugee intake limited to the most vulnerable individuals. This means women, children, and elderly, not hundreds of thousands of young men, a la Europe. The last stat I saw from Germany was 72% of refugees were adult men. This should be below 25%.

It takes tough love to assimilate waves of immigrants into a new culture, and in 2018 that looks near impossible to achieve, hence we're seeing the popularity of far-right parties in Europe.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Its the old discussion point about life opportunities being strongly associated to you're socioeconomic starting point.

I think its obvious that being born into a certain level socioeconomic status increases your chance to maintain or improve that economic status in your life.

I know people who have worked hard to buy their house & raise a family. They own 1 house so haven't seen their life time assets rise like those with more houses. Or those with who have a large investment portfolio.

Education is probably our strongest factor in enabling people to improve their socioeconomic position. The outcomes linked to the quality of that education & the cultural/social factors which the young person brings to that educational opportunity. ie their family. The family has a huge effect on the child, particularly in their formative years 0-4 years of age. Add to that the kids peer group & you can see the forces which strongly direct the development of a child & strongly affects their life chances.

Honestly I can not emphasis how big a cultural difference I noticed between going from a public to private school. Those who went to the private school as a whole were just so much more determined to go on and make lots of money and worked much harder.

This has nothing to do with rich people oppressing poor people or any government policy its simply a cultural policy.

The answer is to change the culture that exists amongst many from lower social economic backgrounds.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s unfair in the eyes of the lefties! As they feel that that are self entitled and the world owes them!They ignore the sacrifice & risks involved, but just rage with jealousy of the odd person out of many that succeed

A person on a low income in 2018 has a better quality of life than a rich person in 1918 and this is largely to do with the contribution of rich people.

Problem is and the left do this worse than the right , people are to obsessed with comparing themselves too others. We need to focus more on ourselves and forget about how much money the guy at the end of the street has.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A person on a low income in 2018 has a better quality of life than a rich person in 1918

Problem is and the left do this worse than the right , people are to obsessed with comparing themselves too others.

I love you so much.

 

[madmug]

A person on a low income in 2018 has a better quality of life than a rich person in 1918 and this is largely to do with the contribution of rich people.

Problem is and the left do this worse than the right , people are to obsessed with comparing themselves too others. We need to focus more on ourselves and forget about how much money the guy at the end of the street has.

What a generalised load of rubbish. Where do you get this stuff from?

I think you are confusing QOL with SOL. QOL is partly related to SOL. One is not the sole determinant of the other. I think Unions had more to do with a rise is SOL than 'rich people' between 1918 & 2018.

It seems those on the right are the ones busy comparing themselves to others. Why do you think rich people buy luxury cars etc. Its to look better than the others in their peer group & flaunt themselves to everyone else. Its called keeping up with the Jonses.

Many on the right simply reject those who are different. Thats where you get the ugly right types, like Hanson & Abbott, from.

 

[cartwright]

What a generalised load of rubbish. Where do you get this stuff from?

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His dad. Like everything else.

 

[quotemokc]

What a generalised load of rubbish. Where do you get this stuff from?

I think you are confusing QOL with SOL. QOL is partly related to SOL. One is not the sole determinant of the other. I think Unions had more to do with a rise is SOL than 'rich people' between 1918 & 2018.

It seems those on the right are the ones busy comparing themselves to others. Why do you think rich people buy luxury cars etc. Its to look better than the others in their peer group & flaunt themselves to everyone else. Its called keeping up with the Jonses.

Many on the right simply reject those who are different. Thats where you get the ugly right types, like Hanson & Abbott, from.

On the flip side the left seems to be full of people who deliberately want to different and be identified for being such.

 

[ShanDog]

It's the right wingers that heerbys ksksjdjjdn jsjsjsn @-#-#++#+#? And damn those looney lefty djiwisjmz. jkkKs. :O:O:O:-\:Orabblerabblerabble

 

[Showbags]

0.5/10

Poor attempt at trolling, try harder next time.

The sad thing is I don't think he is trolling. He has drunk the Ayn Rand koolaid deep.

He honestly believes he earned his daddy's money just because he happened to be apart of the lucky sperm club.

I was obviously putting it very simply but I do believe that for most people born in Australia they can be successful. I am not talking about people born in 3rd world countries. Yes obviously there are a few exceptions but for the majority good choices will lead to a good life.

Every single person I know who doesn't have much money has made poor choices at some point which usually includes making choices such as wasting their education, committing crimes, taking drugs and having children at a very young age. I went to a private secondary school and government primary school so my friends were split evenly between the 2 . The difference in attitude towards work and education between the 2 was massive.

The problems in aboriginal communities are complex but we have got to face up to the fact that many of these aboriginal communities will never offer a viable economic future. Part of the condition to receiving welfare should be that people in these remote areas have to be willing to relocate to find work when none exists in their community.

In Australia, the top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 70% combined. It's not possible to work that much harder. The only explanation is that the economy is rigged.

We need to remodel the economy from rewarding rent seekers and speculators to rewarding actual productivity. Productivity is increasing but wages are flat lining. Capital is eating up all the productivity gains. People are not being adequately compensated for their increased productivity and labour.

Honestly I can not emphasis how big a cultural difference I noticed between going from a public to private school. Those who went to the private school as a whole were just so much more determined to go on and make lots of money and worked much harder.

This has nothing to do with rich people oppressing poor people or any government policy its simply a cultural policy.

The answer is to change the culture that exists amongst many from lower social economic backgrounds.

I went to both public and private schools. There are plenty that came out of the private school I went to who have never put a hard days work in in their lives as they know daddy warbucks will leave them a tidy sum once he pops his clogs or will pass on his business for them to run into the ground (sound familiar?) There is literally zero difference in work ethic detectable between either.

The difference is in the opportunity they got. The greatest predictor of social mobility or where you end up on the socio economic ladder is where you began. Study after study has shown this. That is not a system that incentivizes hard work but rewards privilege.

If you truly believed that rich kids just work harder and are better than their lower socio economic peers, then an inheritance tax should be a no brainer as it doesn't directly punish those who have earned their wealth while alive?

 

[ShanDog]

The sad thing is I don't think he is trolling. He has drunk the Ayn Rand koolaid deep.

He honestly believes he earned his daddy's money just because he happened to be apart of the lucky sperm club.



In Australia, the top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 70% combined. It's not possible to work that much harder. The only explanation is that the economy is rigged.

We need to remodel the economy from rewarding rent seekers and speculators to rewarding actual productivity. Productivity is increasing but wages are flat lining. Capital is eating up all the productivity gains. People are not being adequately compensated for their increased productivity and labour.



I went to both public and private schools. There are plenty that came out of the private school I went to who have never put a hard days work in in their lives as they know daddy warbucks will leave them a tidy sum once he pops his clogs or will pass on his business for them to run into the ground (sound familiar?) There is literally zero difference in work ethic detectable between either.

The difference is in the opportunity they got. The greatest predictor of social mobility or where you end up on the socio economic ladder is where you began. Study after study has shown this. That is not a system that incentivizes hard work but rewards privilege.

If you truly believed that rich kids just work harder and are better than their lower socio economic peers, then an inheritance tax should be a no brainer as it doesn't directly punish those who have earned their wealth while alive?

How would you propose labour be valued?

 

[The_Snake]

The UK is a ******* disgrace. Left wing gutter scum.

 

[GreyWind]

The UK is a ******* disgrace. Left wing gutter scum.

That link just talks about the s**t conditions of the prison, no where does it mention a 70% Muslim population of inmates which is also not true.

Also how is this hypocritical of the left or indeed the fault of the left when it's a right wing party that's currently in government in the UK?