Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 3

[Barry_Badrinath]

This is Part 3 of this thread.

We roll threads over about every 10,000 posts.

Started in Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hypocrisy-of-the-left.1079388/

Continued from Part 2: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hypocrisy-of-the-left-part-2.1141142/

Continued in Part 4

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hypocrisy-of-the-left-part-4.1389268/

 

[Lethality]

Yes and I posted an article from a woman talking about BDE and how women and non binary people can have it and how it's got nothing to do with genitals and you just said the article was too old to be relevant because you didn't like that it didn't agree with you

Nobody said it was literally about genitals, or in this case that Tate is accused of having a small dick. We're talking mainly about the harmful effects of such terms.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm a staunch supporter of liberalism, so I'll disagree with your assessment of me.

You also had a virtual hissy fit over Potatohead branding.

Is that staunchly supporting liberalism?

 

[Cuzz09]

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YUUUUUUGE VAGINA

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[Gralin]

Nobody said it was literally about genitals, or in this case that Tate is accused of having a small dick. We're talking mainly about the harmful effects of such terms.

How is it body shaming if it isn't literally about the body?

 

[Lethality]

How is it body shaming if it isn't literally about the body?

Even though generally “Small Dick Energy” is used as a phrase to emphasise the social psychological construct around toxic masculinity, it can have an impact on those who naturally have different sized penises by placing shame and stereotypes onto them.’

If someone experiences body dysphoria around their genital size, this may be particularly difficult.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Even though generally “Small Dick Energy” is used as a phrase to emphasise the social psychological construct around toxic masculinity, it can have an impact on those who naturally have different sized penises by placing shame and stereotypes onto them.’

If someone experiences body dysphoria around their genital size, this may be particularly difficult.

So where do you draw the line - broad shoulders, long legs, thick hair?

 

[Gethelred]

This is what constitutes misogyny according to a google search, which I'd agree with.

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Not sure how you've come to the conclusion ' seeing as you're a negative liberty good/positive liberty bad sort of a fellow.'

I'm a staunch supporter of liberalism, so I'll disagree with your assessment of me.

Dude, you've just given me a negative liberty definition of misogyny and said you agree with it.

Just because the word used is negative does not mean it's perjorative. Follow the link and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Lethality]

So where do you draw the line - broad shoulders, long legs, thick hair?

There were comments about Trumps small hands that weren't necessary. Again it's more about the audience than Trump. There's nothing wrong with small hands.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Majority of people are bringing it up with other true agendas, and others are dismissing it because of who it was directed at. Although the conversation spawned more so because of faux outrage, it doesn't mean that it should be immediately dismissed, at least that's how I feel.

It's not faux at all, a lot on here are losing their collective s**t claiming anyone who views sde as a pejorative is somehow defending this tate bloke and attacking greta.

I've seen one poster who concede that they agree with some of what he says. But nah, all those looking for offence on here are fabricating 'oh sde isn't a pejorative coz greta rightly called out tate and said sde'. So everyone is a tate defender and a greta hater

The discussion is around whether or not labelling someone with sde is bodyshaming, not whether or not some idiotic misogynist deserves to be labeled with it. No one would (or should) disagree.

Only one poster I've seen defend whoever this knob tate is, if by agreeing to some of whatever he says is defending.

But nah, I'm a defender now coz I claim I don't know much about him and as such must be a greta hater too. No ifs buts or maybes BF decides that not me.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Dude, you've just given me a negative liberty definition of misogyny and said you agree with it.

Just because the word used is negative does not mean it's perjorative. Follow the link and you'll see what I mean.

Well then, it's misleading if it gives the impression that liberty is negative as you've just pointed out.

 

[Gethelred]

Well then, it's misleading if it gives the impression that liberty is negative as you've just pointed out.

If you had followed the link - or known what I was talking about - then you would've seen the following:

Negative liberty is freedom from interference by other people. Negative liberty is primarily concerned with freedom from external restraint and contrasts with positive liberty (the possession of the power and resources to fulfill one's own potential). The distinction was introduced by Isaiah Berlin in his 1958 lecture "Two Concepts of Liberty".

Negative liberty, to be juxtaposed against positive liberty; liberty from someone else's interference, as opposed to liberty to do something.

How this applies is that you think to not be a racist, you only need not to do active racism; you give people around you that freedom from racism. You think that going further than that (ensuring that society structures are not racist, ie a more positive liberty mindset) is going too far; anything that involves you actively going out of your way to demonstrate that you are not racist (or implies that you are racist for not doing something) you object to strenuously.

Just because it's me posting doesn't mean the comment made is attacking you, CB.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You also had a virtual hissy fit over Potatohead branding.

Is that staunchly supporting liberalism?

You have a strange view of hissy fit.

I queried the necessity, that to you = hissy fit.

That's a fair reflection of you I guess.

 

[tandino]

I'm good with my hands.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Dude, you've just given me a negative liberty definition of misogyny and said you agree with it.

Just because the word used is negative does not mean it's perjorative. Follow the link and you'll see what I mean.

To be clear to all not just you.

I agree that the definition is correct, not agree with.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

There were comments about Trumps small hands that weren't necessary. Again it's more about the audience than Trump. There's nothing wrong with small hands.

I don’t even.


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[tandino]

I think more than anything else the casual association of the size of a guy's dick to certain characteristics/traits is a nod to the sort of gender norms and even toxic masculinity that the world is wanting to put in the past.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Lets rebrand it then

 

[Lethality]

I don’t even.


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It's body shaming. Why so perplexed?

 

[JyeDye]

It's not faux at all, a lot on here are losing their collective s**t claiming anyone who views sde as a pejorative is somehow defending this tate bloke and attacking greta.

I've seen one poster who concede that they agree with some of what he says. But nah, all those looking for offence on here are fabricating 'oh sde isn't a pejorative coz greta rightly called out tate and said sde'. So everyone is a tate defender and a greta hater

The discussion is around whether or not labelling someone with sde is bodyshaming, not whether or not some idiotic misogynist deserves to be labeled with it. No one would (or should) disagree.

Only one poster I've seen defend whoever this knob tate is, if by agreeing to some of whatever he says is defending.

But nah, I'm a defender now coz I claim I don't know much about him and as such must be a greta hater too. No ifs buts or maybes BF decides that not me.

Not you in particular, I don't know you... But there are a lot of conservative figure heads and followers going on about body shaming now that considering their political stances on other issues it's hard to take it at face value.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

It's body shaming. Why so perplexed?

You’ve identified Donald Trump and Andrew Tate as victims of body shaming.

Based on a thread about sex trafficking and rape of underage women.


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[Gethelred]

You’ve identified Donald Trump and Andrew Tate as victims of body shaming.

Based on a thread about sex trafficking and rape of underage women.


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Someone can be a victim and a horrible person and a powerful person and an abuser themselves.

Their victimhood doesn't minimize their awfulness, though.

 

[Lethality]

You’ve identified Donald Trump and Andrew Tate as victims of body shaming.

No the main victims are people watching along as I've said before.

Based on a thread about sex trafficking and rape of underage women.


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This thread isn't about sex trafficking, it's about the use of language

 

[Lethality]

Someone can be a victim and a horrible person and a powerful person and an abuser themselves.

Their victimhood doesn't minimize their awfulness, though.

The main victims are the audience watching along who see body shaming narratives normalised at the highest level

 

[Gethelred]

The main victims are the audience watching along who see body shaming narratives normalised at the highest level

I mean, I agree somewhat. But I look at proportionality, and I look at how those who are doing the campaigning about positive body image treat body image outside of this one very specific case, and I question their motives for this sudden about face.

Proportionally, Tate and Trump are both much, much more destructive to the people they control than the people Greta damaged with her retort. Those who are negatively influenced by the claim that having a small penis/there's an energy connected with having a small penis can now ask themselves if the steriotype matches reality. Women clearly don't think so; the left clearly don't think so; now the right - including the vulnerable men you're so passionately championing - can now reflect on the reality that your penis is not who you are or denote your value. Her retort has forced the conversation.

That, of course, presumes said perspective comes from a position of good faith. Not 'Pwn the Libs!', as seems to be the case with an awful lot of suddenly body-positive people.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The main victims are the audience watching along who see body shaming narratives normalised at the highest level

If they are shamed and mentally anguished that their misogyny has been called and and consider reforming their attitudes, good.

I hope Tate supporters are sent to the pits of despair when they get accused of SDE.

But we know nobody is really offended and you’re talking rubbish.


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