Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 3

[Malifice]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/islam

There is what those 'hypocrites' at the ABC and 'the Left' have to say about Islam geelong_crazy26. These are just some of the stories in the first few pages of the section on Islam on the ABC's website:

• Some imams in Australia are still teaching that the Koran permits husbands to beat their wives, with police reporting Muslim men cite scripture to justify their abuse. Now a new generation of faith leaders is working to undo the damage.
  
  
• A jury is shown graphic Islamic State propaganda videos allegedly found on the phone of a woman accused of being a member of the terrorist organisation. Australian Party senator Fraser Anning says that a majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and live on welfare.

• Katter's Australian Party senator Fraser Anning says that Muslims in NSW and Victoria are three times more likely than other groups to be convicted of crimes.

• A kindergarten in Indonesia's East Java province apologises for dressing students in niqabs and fake assault rifles, as part of a local Independence Day parade.

• The Malaysian Government's plan to introduce a dress code for Muslim women in the workplace sparks a backlash from women's rights groups, which accuse officials of acting like "fashion police".

• As women in Saudi Arabia celebrate their right to drive from today, some of the women who campaigned hardest to get them there will not be allowed to join them.

• Imtiaz Shams, the founder of UK not-for-profit Faith to Faithless, goes over arguments he encounters that are used to discredit former Muslims.

• Caught between their secular beliefs and Islam, a secret network of former Muslims across the country lead double lives because they fear disownment and abuse.

• A report from Indonesia's State Intelligence Agency also finds that 24 per cent of university students are in favour of supporting jihad to establish an Islamic "caliphate".
  

THE FILTHY LEFT! Standing up for and never critical of Isla.... oh wait.

 

[madmug]

Christanity is based around the NT in particular the 4 gospels, the OT simply sets the scene for the NT.

The renaissance was based around Christian ideology, you do realise those responsible for the renaissance were Christians ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_Christianity_in_civilization

Maybe, but thankfully we run society on rationality, logic & science. Well most of us try to anyway.

When you are born & have your head shoved in cold water, you are baptised a Christian. You have no choice. What you do after may or may not have much to do with the 'faith'.

Clearly those who championed the truth & reality of the Churches dominating & enslaving behaviour, did us a great favour. Many suffered & died fighting that violent, corrupt & vicious organisation.

We owe them a great debt for what freedoms we have now.

People can 'believe' & have faith & go to church. But don't try & inflict the church on us all. They do not have that right. We can & will criticise behaviour in & by church persons. Much of it is slowly coming to light. Thankfully we are now pealing back their lies & protections. However their is still a long way to go.

Wait until the new enlightenment gets to such places as the Philippines & Brazil. OMG, what did the bastards get up to with those millions of poor kids?

 

[Seeds]

I would argue that's a good thing.

There are plenty of Christian ideals that should be left in the past.

This may be true but it’s not what the abc are doing. They clearly aren’t attacking christian values. For christian supporters to pretend they are is pathetic. Probably cos most christians don’t live up to christian values and they see morrisons failure in themselves. So lash out at the abc for pointing it out.

 

[The Passenger]

I love the irony of GC talking up Christianity given Jesus is the ultimate hippy socialist.

 

[Seeds]

Notice how nearly all the countries in the world who enjoy the highest quality of life are Christian countries ?

Think of Christianity like a ship sometimes the crew have been bad and sometimes the passengers have been bad but the ship has always been good.

There is nothing in the bible at all about molesting, its very clearly a sin.

I also find it amusing that the left say Christianity has held us back but than advocate for socialism which has caused more deaths than any other ideology or religion.

Most people who you call left don’t advocate socialism so stop spreading this fake news. The only reason christian countries became the most affluent countries is because Christianity lost control of the flock around 500 years ago and people in christen countries started rejecting Religion and turned to science for their source of information. I.e. they weren’t really Christian countries anymore. When Christian countries were properly Christian (pre 1500s) they were actually far poorer then other regions including the muslim world and China. The West was a backwater during the period Christianity was most dominant. So facts don’t fit your theory. If Christianity was the cause of the western worlds affluence then why was the western world so poor between 500-1500 AD? Can you explain this?

 

[Gough]

I love the irony of GC talking up Christianity given Jesus is the ultimate hippy socialist.

I saw CSN back when Croz had his own liver and during the rave up in the middle 8 of For What It's Worth, Stills described him as the first non violent revolutionary.

 

[JimDocker]

60 Minute talking about a cerebral take on anything

 

[its free real estate]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/en...shes-whitewashing-claims-20180830-p500pe.html

Should have got Scarlett Johansson to play Herve Villechaize.

 

[JimDocker]

That is embarrassingly bad. I laughed when I saw it on Facebook and most of the comments were men talking about how hot she is. Stuckey has found her target audience.

 

[its free real estate]

The thing is, in its formative years up until only recently Christianity ONLY ever expanded through aggressive domination. Strong Christian Europeans invaded, subjugated or destroyed countless native religions and peoples because the 'savages' were so much weaker.

It's not true. Nestorian Christians and Eastern Christianity was spread via proselytising, not conquest. It was then destroyed by Islam.

Aggressive domination is the predominant mode in Islam, same as Christianity. Look up Tamerlane. Read some VS Naipaul. The awful British East India Company was created only two centuries after Timur massacred millions in the name of Islam, but it's 'Western colonialism' that is remembered as the more brutal, which is actually founded in the parochial belief that we are more civilised and shouldn't behave that way.

 

[CatFan79]

That is embarrassingly bad. I laughed when I saw it on Facebook and most of the comments were men talking about how hot she is. Stuckey has found her target audience.

What is bad? Do you think making men less masculine is good?

 

[JimDocker]

What is bad? Do you think making men less masculine is good?

I don't need a crass video that panders to knuckle draggers to explain to me what a man should be.

 

[CatFan79]

I don't need a crass video that panders to knuckle draggers to explain to me what a man should be.

You do realise when you criticise something without being able to even challenge it, it just sounds like you're in denial...

Do you vote Green by any chance?

 

[JimDocker]

You do realise when you criticise something without being able to even challenge it, it just sounds like you're in denial...

Do you vote Green by any chance?

I played sport at a semi professional level. I work in a blue collar industry and have done for over 35 years. I have a hairy chest. I love Die Hard. Don't talk to me about masculinity

 

[Lebbo73]

Troll bait alert.

Why? It must be because you’re here!

 

[Chief]

Is this the right-wing version of political correctness?

The irony. Oh the irony.

 

[CatFan79]

The irony. Oh the irony.

Regardless which one it is or which side of politics you're on anyone stupid enough to follow a religion are fair game.. Open ridicule!

 

[CatFan79]

I played sport at a semi professional level. I work in a blue collar industry and have done for over 35 years. I have a hairy chest. I love Die Hard. Don't talk to me about masculinity

Starting to think your issue is with the delivery...

OUT: Petite attractive girl
IN: John Williamson? Jimmy Barnes?

 

[kranky al]

What is and has been the major religion is Europe ? Christianity

Without Christanity we would of been nothing more than animals in a struggle for survival were the strong conquer the week.

You are the one who should learn some history, you have no clue how Christianity has given us the best quality of life mankind has ever had.

For example the idea of the weekend and an 8 hour working day can be traced back to the 4th commandment remember the sabbath and keep it holy. The meaning of this commandment don't be a slave to your work.

Can you point to what specifically in the NT has held back western society ?

First article i read today:

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/re...push-angers-catholic-archbishop-ng-b88945884z


Watched my gran die in agony a few years ago from cancer. Shed had it twice and didnt want to fight it the second time. She just wanted to die. She refused food and just wasted away. After a time the drugs stopped being effective and she sat in pain and starved herself to death.

One more thing the religious maggots force upon us.

 

[JimDocker]

Starting to think your issue is with the delivery...

OUT: Petite attractive girl
IN: John Williamson? Jimmy Barnes?

Nope. Just don't think people fit into neat little boxes.

My dad is my hero. Was forced to leave school at 12 years old and work in potato fields because his dad was hurt down the coal mines. He missed out on grammar school as a result despite winning a scholarship. He went back to school but left at 15 because his family needed the money. His dad was working, but because of his injuries, he could not earn enough to support the family. Worked in the coalmines for 15 years, broken up by his national service.

Brought us 8 kids to Australia in 1975 and provided for us all until we were out working. Supported my mam through her diabetes and dementia. Never complained about his lot in life and is a complete gentleman.

He is a long way from the masculinity espoused in that video, but he is the man I have always tried to be and would love my sons to be the same. Caring, kind and gentle.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Most people who you call left don’t advocate socialism so stop spreading this fake news. The only reason christian countries became the most affluent countries is because Christianity lost control of the flock around 500 years ago and people in christen countries started rejecting Religion and turned to science for their source of information. I.e. they weren’t really Christian countries anymore. When Christian countries were properly Christian (pre 1500s) they were actually far poorer then other regions including the muslim world and China. The West was a backwater during the period Christianity was most dominant. So facts don’t fit your theory. If Christianity was the cause of the western worlds affluence then why was the western world so poor between 500-1500 AD? Can you explain this?

That doesn't explain why the Christian nations excelled above others. They hardly lost control of the flock 500 years ago, their numbers as a percentage of world population only began dropping since around 1900.

Perhaps Christianity was the most progressive religion because it was the most open to change? I am not a Christian myself, nor am I any kind of expert in theology. But if the west succeeded "in spite of" Christianity, then just why did they succeed?

 

[FireKrakouer]

Nope. Just don't think people fit into neat little boxes.

My dad is my hero. Was forced to leave school at 12 years old and work in potato fields because his dad was hurt down the coal mines. He missed out on grammar school as a result despite winning a scholarship. He went back to school but left at 15 because his family needed the money. His dad was working, but because of his injuries, he could not earn enough to support the family. Worked in the coalmines for 15 years, broken up by his national service.

Brought us 8 kids to Australia in 1975 and provided for us all until we were out working. Supported my mam through her diabetes and dementia. Never complained about his lot in life and is a complete gentleman.

He is a long way from the masculinity espoused in that video, but he is the man I have always tried to be and would love my sons to be the same. Caring, kind and gentle.

We interpret it differently then. To me, the kind of man espoused in that video is exactly the kind of man you described your old man to be. It sounds like it required toughness, masculinity, and a good heart for him to provide for his family. In his time, I imagine that the effeminate soy-latte sippers of today wouldn't have survived. They are a product of their privilege.

 

[kranky al]

That doesn't explain why the Christian nations excelled above others. They hardly lost control of the flock 500 years ago, their numbers as a percentage of world population only began dropping since around 1900.

Perhaps Christianity was the most progressive religion because it was the most open to change? I am not a Christian myself, nor am I any kind of expert in theology. But if the west succeeded "in spite of" Christianity, then just why did they succeed?

We discovered modern weapons first and had such a leap in military might as has never been experienced in the world to that point


Invaded the other countries - colonised them, took their mineral wealth and used that to forge ahead whilst holding them back.


If the chinese had cared a little more for expansion and were more militaristic they could have done the aame to us.

 

[kranky al]

What is and has been the major religion is Europe ? Christianity

Without Christanity we would of been nothing more than animals in a struggle for survival were the strong conquer the week.

You are the one who should learn some history, you have no clue how Christianity has given us the best quality of life mankind has ever had.

For example the idea of the weekend and an 8 hour working day can be traced back to the 4th commandment remember the sabbath and keep it holy. The meaning of this commandment don't be a slave to your work.

Can you point to what specifically in the NT has held back western society ?

Galileo


The sun revolves around the earth... or die....

 

[pugsville]

That doesn't explain why the Christian nations excelled above others. They hardly lost control of the flock 500 years ago, their numbers as a percentage of world population only began dropping since around 1900.

Perhaps Christianity was the most progressive religion because it was the most open to change? I am not a Christian myself, nor am I any kind of expert in theology. But if the west succeeded "in spite of" Christianity, then just why did they succeed?

One Answer is Germs, Guns, Steel, see Jared Diamond book of the same name. But the development of industrialization and "western culture" is an extremely complex subject and no simple explanation is going to hold up/ Diamond book is interesting and puts forward some concepts that do bear some serious thought.

IF "Chritsinaty" is somehow behind it , how?