Hypocrisy of The Left

[Riseupaustralia]

And you know all this after only joining the site this month. Amazing. Let me guess, you've been an avid reader of the site for years, and just could no longer resist the temptation to actually join.

Every man has his limits skilts . Especially us mangina's.

 

[telsor]

LOL.

What am I hiding exactly? Everyone knows who I am, I never deny it, nor have I ever requested a name change in over a decade on here.

I have called a few mods/admins, and up themselves posters, a few choice names over the journey however.

Why? Because I believe in what I say, and don't suffer pious dolts easily.

I feel sorry for you with your self loathing.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

I feel sorry for you with your self loathing.

Are you finished yet?

You've tried to paint me into corners, deliberately misrepresent me and twist my words on this, and other, issues.

Now, as long as your precious ego has been stroked enough, I feel that we can move on, comfortable in the notion that I think that you're a muppet on a white steed and that you think that I am a bad, bad man.

Good day.

 

[pokerspiv]

Haha, yeah... you understood what the CARTOON shows...
It's almost like that was the reason the person drew the CARTOOOOOON...

Could easily do one the other way. But I'm a terrible sketcher.

It's a cartoon of shirts which are actually available for sale in Australia.

 

[Pie eyed]

Why do we see the left being hypocrites en masse, especially in Australia.

Here are some examples:

Why do we see the left being hypocrites en masse, especially in Australia.

Here are some examples:

> Malaysian Solution for refugees is unsatisfactory because it is not a signatory to the treaty.
- Cambodian Solution is not good enough because although they signed the treaty which is what the left wanted it apparently is unsuitable.

Protesting:

Apparently it is ok for the left to protest and commit crimes when doing so but it is not ok for the right to do so. See these student protestors who claim complete brutality and say that they had permission to throw shit at police



Apparently police caused corrupt bloodshed for engaging in their duty to remove illegal protestors



Funny how it is not ok for police to assault protestors but protestors can assault police.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...es-2m-legal-bill/story-fni0fit3-1227079578841

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t-east-west-link/story-fnocxssc-1227074409865

Tent girl Occupy Melbourne and East West Link goon

Occupy Melbourne mainly whinged about allocation of tax funds amongst other things, yet ironically waste wads of taxpayer bills through their totally selfish legal action against government when they were not evenj a party.

Make claims current government is against apparently impartial services despite their blatant acting in interests of one side (left).

See ABC and Asylum Seeker cases and not to mention Virginia Trioli's gesturing. Then there is a membership group called Freinds of the abc which is left wing and the only people complaining profusely about the consideration to redistribute funds and make it more vaible in certain areas are the left.

Then there is that Tony Murphy who wasted taxpayer funding for a community legal centre to take his case regarding EW to court even though he has no personal interest in it. Yet the left want to say that it is in the community interest to do so and bleet that their funding might get cut now.

http://www.fitzroy-legal.org.au/cb_pages/news/EastWestLinkProject.php

Then there is serial protestor Anthony Main who willingly will protest at any cause and feel that people have a right to stand up for their views.

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ARAB_enAU448AU448&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=nws&q=anthony main east west link

Yet you see ironically he has absolute hypocrisy when it comes to others being allowed to express their views freely when they dont agree with his.

http://australiafirstparty.net/melbournes-leftist-thug-anthony-main-wanted-for-assault/

Will post more material later.

Paying 40 million dollars for Cambodia to take 4-5 volunteers on a trial basis is hardly a solution even if they slept with the entire UN.
Right wing sook is still just a sook.
Abbott is spending 40 million of our money to fake action.
He's a dogs arse and you know it.
Soon to be consigned to the rubbish pile of right wing failure.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

Paying 40 million dollars for Cambodia to take 4-5 volunteers on a trial basis is hardly a solution even if they slept with the entire UN.
Right wing sook is still just a sook.
Abbott is spending 40 million of our money to fake action.
He's a dogs arse and you know it.
Soon to be consigned to the rubbish pile of right wing failure.

 

[Pie eyed]

They think this is acceptable

New Jersey Motor Vehicle Services?
Surely not.
Should they be deported to Iran?
Does Abbott even have jurisdiction in the US?

 

[Pie eyed]

Sometimes I wonder if Dardy Mottrain 26, just has a word docco of phrases, which get shuffled at random then posted.

say, "hypocritical leftists support burqas, which allows the killing of jew babies. down with big government".

They are a collective "bot"

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

The op wasn't stereotypying it actually was pointing out hypocrisy of clear lefties.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

If you listen to our government, it seems anything left of psychotic is a leftie these days.

Btw, not all protesters are lefties. I'm sure right wing people occasionally have something to protest about too, like situations where they can't market or rig the system to their advantage, or Andrew Bolt getting in trouble.

 

[LanceRomance]

I remember an argument at uni between a hardline socialist and a greeny (environmentalist type one) about the paris riots.

The Greeny was saying it was reprehensible that police horses were being maimed by protesters. The socialist was saying it was a means to an end.

Was rather heated.

Such are the factions of the left.

 

[Gough]

Spot on, that's why referring to "the left" as if it were some sort of homogeneous grouping is so f***ing stupid.

 

[LanceRomance]

Spot on, that's why referring to "the left" as if it were some sort of homogeneous grouping is so f***ing stupid.

I think that they are being batched together as the greens have been hijacked by socialists.

There are commom "left" themes but not all interests align.


Off the top of my head there are

Unionists
Environmentalists
Socialists
communists
Anarchists

Any others?

One of the common leftist themes is the tendency to shut down debate if they dont the other point of view. Especially in discussion of many of lifes -isms.

Ultimately I think the real divide comes down to how much people are taxed and how the taxes are distributed

 

[pokerspiv]

If you listen to our government, it seems anything left of psychotic is a leftie these days.

Btw, not all protesters are lefties. I'm sure right wing people occasionally have something to protest about too, like situations where they can't market or rig the system to their advantage, or Andrew Bolt getting in trouble.

Right wing protests are extremely rare in comparison, because right wing people generally have better things to do. Young people, particularly uni students, make up the vast majority of numbers at any protest, and most young people are left-wing.

Protests are an utter waste of time and therefore are generally only favoured by people who have plenty of time to waste.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

 

[Mningasimisonda]

One of the common leftist themes is the tendency to shut down debate if they dont the other point of view. Especially in discussion of many of lifes -isms.

Ultimately I think the real divide comes down to how much people are taxed and how the taxes are distributed

You could accuse the right of the same. You just need to look at the doublespeak coming out of parliament and right wing media on issues from basic rights of individuals, privacy, marriage equality to global warming.

But the right similarly can come in many forms and can range from traditionalists, patriots, nationalists, economic liberals, religious advocates to elitists, racial supremists, fundamentalists, etc.

I'd personally think in many situations they are needless boxes and choosing an answer based on your box is stupid. I'd prefer a model where we could just take things on their merit and look for best case solutions. Obviously, best case depends on your goals but in most situations you could do better in a range of areas by looking at the situation properly rather than in the blinkered way that each of the listed right and left wing groups tend to.

It seems to work better when groups mildly favour something as their primary focus and can see the other side. Then a workable agreement can be found. There's a lot of extremes around in all camps at the moment. Seems one side becomes extreme and attacks the opposing side, the opposing side says they are attacking us or our cause and becomes more extreme and it spirals.

Obviously a policeman or a police horse in the OP has nothing to do with whatever they are protesting about and that part is more an argument where things got out of hand than an expression of a certain viewpoint. Look at Hong Kong and you have a peaceful protest where gangs are sent by government to attack protesters. These are actions of groups not ideologies.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Right wing protests are extremely rare in comparison, because right wing people generally have better things to do. Young people, particularly uni students, make up the vast majority of numbers at any protest, and most young people are left-wing.

Protests are an utter waste of time and therefore are generally only favoured by people who have plenty of time to waste.

Tea party protests in the US, anti-abortion protests, anti-gay marriage protests, the right wing rallies which parliament members attend, etc?

 

[LanceRomance]

Tea party protests in the US, anti-abortion protests, anti-gay marriage protests, the right wing rallies which parliament members attend, etc?

Would be interesting to know the demographics of those protesters

Plus frequency of protests and average numbers.



On a separate issue, I remember when protesting was fashionable in 2003. Didnt really last long.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Would be interesting to know the demographics of those protesters

Plus frequency of protests and average numbers.



On a separate issue, I remember when protesting was fashionable in 2003. Didnt really last long.

Age, sex, income, etc would be interesting. Religion I could guess on a few of those.

When i was younger, I always wanted to turn up at a protest with something irrelevant like a "save the whales" or "Hi, I'm <name>" sign.

 

[pokerspiv]

Tea party protests in the US, anti-abortion protests, anti-gay marriage protests, the right wing rallies which parliament members attend, etc?

I don't remember saying right-wing protests never happen.

But they are much rarer than left-wing protests. As I said, most protests are attended by students and most students are left-wing.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

I don't remember saying right-wing protests never happen.

But they are much rarer than left-wing protests. As I said, most protests are attended by students and most students are left-wing.

Generally would you say the students change their views and later become right wing or that the right wing on average are less university educated?

 

[pokerspiv]

It's not that they are students, it's that they are young people, and young people in general are more left-wing than older people. And because they are students they have a fair bit of free time on their hands to do things like attend futile protests.

 

[LanceRomance]

Generally would you say the students change their views and later become right wing or that the right wing on average are less university educated?

A lot of those kids are used to receiving and spending money they didnt earn and also When they get older and start paying a decent amount of tax then I feel many start to become more conservative.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

A lot of those kids are used to receiving and spending money they didnt earn and also When they get older and start paying a decent amount of tax then I feel many start to become more conservative.

Which I always found interesting. A young person can have such strong views on something then sell them out to make more money. Makes me think there may be correlation between working conditions and conservatism.

Australia is behind many other countries in the sense that a large number of companies use anecdotal or reactionary ideas to run their businesses. You see things like high turnover of employees, disgruntled employees (yep, they'll believe in your business goals and want to take it somewhere) and senseless inefficient practices just because it's the way things are done.

Wonder if smarter business practice and different work conditions would shift people's ideologies or if age and experience always move certain people toward the right.

 

[pokerspiv]

I think it's more that young people are more likely to be idealistic. As you get older you tend to become more realistic and accept that there are things that can't or shouldn't be changed, despite your good intentions.

Many on the left are quick to assume that those on the right are mean-spirited because they don't agree with their solutions to the world's problems. Really it's more the case that we just don't think those solutions would work, and would probably make things worse.

The minimum wage is a classic example of the disconnect between left and right. The left can't understand why anyone would oppose a minimum wage except for reasons of greed. People like myself think the minimum wage hurts more people than it helps.