Opinion Hypothetical 2021 Best 22

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OIIy

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Would love to see what everyone thinks is our best 22 is going into the 2021 season. This is what I think:
B: Hardwick - Hartigan - Greaves
HB: Day - Frost - Scimshaw
C: Shiels - Mitchell - Phillips
HF: Impey - Gunston - Wingard
F: Burgoyne - Lewis - Breust
R: McEvoy - O'Meara -Worpel
I: Moore Hanrahan Cousins Jiath

I've excluded Patton, Scully, O'Brien and Ceglar. In my opinion, they are either too injury prone to rely on or just past their best and could be even worse next year. Could also slot in Pick 4, Pick 21 depending on if they are ready for senior footy.
There are so many holes in this team, including the ruck position where Big Boy may struggle to be the sole ruck - but anything is better than Ceglar in my opinion. Also there is a clear lack of small pressure forwards as Breust comes to the end of his career over the next few years.
Keen to hear other peoples thoughts.
 

daniel23

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granger barrass hartigan greaves

Impey frost scrimshaw

Day mitchell phillips

Gunston Lewis wingard

Hardwick patton bruest

Mcevoy worpel omeara

Cousins , burgoyne, Moore, maginness
 

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I've excluded Patton, Scully, O'Brien and Ceglar. In my opinion, they are either too injury prone to rely on or just past their best and could be even worse next year.
You do know this call of yours is bullshit no?

Just say you don't like them, or don't rate them, whatever, but don't give me a sh*t sandwich and tell me it's Vegemite.
 

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extractasam

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Yeah. Our best 22 is shallow without even scratching the surface of depth.
Our list screams bottom 4 and it’s where we should probably finish again.
Can exclude O’Brien but we all know he’s gonna play every week. Same with Patton if fit.

Looking at our team sheet it’s just so difficult to pick where our strength is.
 

JaegarTime

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Hardwick/Greaves - Hartigan - Frost
Day - Hartley - Scrimshaw

Phillips - Mitchell - Scully

Wingard - Jeka/O’Brien - Gunston
Impey - Patton/Lewis - Breust

McEvoy - O’Meara - Worpel

Shiels - Burgoyne - Moore - Maginess/Cousins
 

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Yeah. Our best 22 is shallow without even scratching the surface of depth.
Our list screams bottom 4 and it’s where we should probably finish again.
Can exclude O’Brien but we all know he’s gonna play every week. Same with Patton if fit.

Looking at our team sheet it’s just so difficult to pick where our strength is.
Yep, seeing our possible Best 22 on paper doesn't fill me with great confidence I must say. I think reality has finally set in :huh:
 

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IN: Impey, Phillips, Hartigan, Greaves, Pick 4

OUT: Stratton, Smith, Henderson, Frawley, Puopolo


B: Impey, Hartigan, Hardwick

HB: Scrimshaw, Frost, Greaves

C: Phillips, Mitchell, Shiels

HF: Gunston, Lewis, Burgoyne

F: Breust, Patton, Wingard

R: McEvoy, O’Meara, Worpel

INT: Day, Scully, O’Brien, Pick 4


Depth

Morrison
Nash
Howe
Ceglar
Hartley
Jiath
Moore*
Hanrahan
Cousins
Brooksby*
 

almuz

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There seems to be a fair few locks - Scully/Philips on the wings and the same mid trio as per usual.

I think the interesting ones will be -

- Is it Hartigan and Frost as the talls or do we also bring in Hartley too

- Reading between the lines re Wright’s comments, it could be simply Big Boy as the ruck with a forward as second fiddle

- How do we juggle Impey, Scrimshaw, Day, Hardwick and Greaves in the same back six as mid/small defenders

- The tall forward situation - is it just O’Brien plus whoever is fit out of Lewis or Patton as our FF/CHF combo
 

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Greaves 20, Hartigan 28, Hardwick 24
Scrimshaw 22, Frost 27, Sicily 26
Phillips 24, Omeara 27, Day 19
Breust 30, Gunston 29, Wingard 27
Impey 25, Lewis 22, Burgoyne 38

McEvoy 31, Mitchell 27, Worpel 22,

Shiels 30, Ceglar 30, Cousins 23, CJ 21

E: Scully, Morrison, Howe, Hannaran, Moore, Finn, Downie,

Average age is 26. A year younger than our last game. I know Sicily is injured but I left him in there. If Shiels goes out for our pick 4 average age will be 25.5.

We may still make finals next year.

Collingwood will drop out. I'm not convinced on Port and could yo-yo as per usual. West Coast is sliding. You never know at the young Lions, might feel a bit spent and could also drop heavily.
 

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Hardwick Hartigan Scrimshaw
Day McEvoy Frost

Phillips Mitchell Scully
Ceglar O'Meara Worpel

Breust O'Brien Wingard
Gunston Lewis Impey

Burgoyne Shiels Greaves Maginness

Our backline looks green on paper but there's enough talent there.
Our midfield is a lot better than people think ,we just need Finn and or cousins to take the spot available with both hands .
The frwd line just needs Lewis and O'Brien to click and our scoring will get better.
All in all, I don't think it's a bottom 4 list but the depth and game style are the 2 things worry me more than anything.
 

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B: Greaves, Hartigan, Hardwick
HB: Scrimshaw, Frost, Day
C: Phillips, Mitchell (vc) , Shiels
HF: Gunston (c), TOB, Cousins
F: Breust, Patton or Lewis, Wingard
R: McEvoy, O’Meara (vc), Worpel
INT: Impey, Scully, Finn, Burgoyne

No better or worse than 2020, but at least it is younger.
Reckon we will grab a tall defender at pick 4 and they won’t be ready.

2022 looks better

B: Greaves, Pick 4, Hardwick
HB: Scrimshaw, Frost, Sicily (vc)
C: Phillips, Mitchell, Day
HF: Gunston (c), TOB, Downie
F: Breust, Lewis, Wingard
R: McEvoy, Maginness, Worpel (vc)
INT: Impey, JOM, Cousins, Pick 4 2021 draft
 

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No TOB or Ceglar please.

Hardwick - Frost - Greaves
Impey - Hartigan - Scrimshaw

Big Boy - JOM - Worpel
Day - Mitchell - Phillips

Wingard - Gunston - Cousins
Breust - Lewis - Burgoyne

Scully - Shiels - Finn - Moore

Patton, Moore, CJ all battling out for a spot.
 

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Ouch looking at our best 22 on paper really isn't any better than watching us play, our depth really is poor when you consider a handful of those players that are actually making our best 22.

My real question is what is our direction as a club ? We weren't bold moving on any key older assets who are good footballers but probably only have 3-4 years left to give us a better draft hand over the next few years and fast track a rebuild.

Nor did we really add in talent in the short term, eg Hartigan and Phillips is probably worse than Frawley and Smith.

Curious to know what the ambition of the club is next 5 years, shame I can't attend the AGM as it's a question I'd love to ask.
 

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Ouch looking at our best 22 on paper really isn't any better than watching us play, our depth really is poor when you consider a handful of those players that are actually making our best 22.

My real question is what is our direction as a club ? We weren't bold moving on any key older assets who are good footballers but probably only have 3-4 years left to give us a better draft hand over the next few years and fast track a rebuild.

Nor did we really add in talent in the short term, eg Hartigan and Phillips is probably worse than Frawley and Smith.

Curious to know what the ambition of the club is next 5 years, shame I can't attend the AGM as it's a question I'd love to ask.
I'd say both Hartigan and Phillips are improvement on Spud and Smith based on recent form. Spud is cooked (pardon the pun) while Hartigan is serviceable. Smith has been down the last two years (finished outside the top 10 of the b&f in 2019 despite playing 19 games) while phillips finished 6/7 in 2018 and 2019 in a team that was playing finals (was played out of position in 2020). People knock Phillips' kicking, but Issy's has been just as poor recently.
 

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I'd say both Hartigan and Phillips are improvement on Spud and Smith based on recent form. Spud is cooked (pardon the pun) while Hartigan is serviceable. Smith has been down the last two years (finished outside the top 10 of the b&f in 2019 despite playing 19 games) while phillips finished 6/7 in 2018 and 2019 in a team that was playing finals (was played out of position in 2020). People knock Phillips' kicking, but Issy's has been just as poor recently.
Completely disagree regarding Frawley and Hartigan. Hartigan wasn't getting picked by the spooners and Frawley was serviceable to decent throughout the season.

Really pleased with Phillips though.
 

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IN: Impey, Phillips, Hartigan, Greaves, Pick 4

OUT: Stratton, Smith, Henderson, Frawley, Puopolo


B: Impey, Hartigan, Hardwick

HB: Scrimshaw, Frost, Greaves

C: Phillips, Mitchell, Shiels

HF: Gunston, Lewis, Burgoyne

F: Breust, Patton, Wingard

R: McEvoy, O’Meara, Worpel

INT: Day, Scully, O’Brien, Pick 4


Depth

Morrison
Nash
Howe
Ceglar
Hartley
Jiath
Moore*
Hanrahan
Cousins
Brooksby*

Did you delist Finn!?
 

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Our depth looking bad might have something to do with the fact that we haven't seen anyone outside our best 22 play a real game in over a year now.

At least with normal years you can keep an eye on the VFL and get excited about kids who are showing a bit of talent, not so much in 2020. That can change pretty quick with internal development.

I fully expect Scrimshaw to take another step with Sic out of the side, Impey will get back to his dynamic best, and Worps, Titch and Jaeger will manage to work better together.

Phillips frees up the wings, we'll get back on to the big grounds we play best. Things can change quickly in footy and I prefer to be positive about where we might end up.
 

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FB Frost - Hartigan - Hardwick
HB Scrimshaw - McEvoy - Day
C Scully - O'Meara - Phillips
HF Wingard - O'Brien - Gunston
FF Breust - Patton/Lewis - Burgoyne
R Ceglar - Mitchell - Cousins
IC Hollands - Shiels - Impey - Worpel

EM Patton/Lewis - Howe - Morrison - Morris
 

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FB Frost - Hartigan - Hardwick
HB Scrimshaw - McEvoy - Day
C Scully - O'Meara - Phillips
HF Wingard - O'Brien - Gunston
FF Breust - Patton/Lewis - Burgoyne
R Ceglar - Mitchell - Cousins
IC Hollands - Shiels - Impey - Worpel

EM Patton/Lewis - Howe - Morrison - Morris
Surely it must be:

C Scully - Mitchell - Phillips

Henceforth known as the Tom Line. Our new "line in the sand".
 

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Yeah. Our best 22 is shallow without even scratching the surface of depth.
Our list screams bottom 4 and it’s where we should probably finish again.
Can exclude O’Brien but we all know he’s gonna play every week. Same with Patton if fit.

Looking at our team sheet it’s just so difficult to pick where our strength is.
I know what you mean.

There is some decent talent in the line up but it is very uneven and I feel we are strong in the auxiliary type role (ie elite half forward flankers with Gunners, Wingard and Bruest) but poor in the primary roles (Ruck, Key Forward, Line Breaking Mid, etc).

And that interchange bench, yikes!

If I was coaching this list I would really struggle to work out a game plan to play to the lists strengths.

Look at the Tiges, they do this perfectly in identifying their strengths in the playing list (Dusty, etc) and execute a game plan designed to maximise it (quick ball movement, chaos ball, etc).

I am not sure what the equivalent game plan would be for this list. Perhaps a combination of endurance running and a strong backline?
 

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Completely disagree regarding Frawley and Hartigan. Hartigan wasn't getting picked by the spooners and Frawley was serviceable to decent throughout the season.

Really pleased with Phillips though.
What do you mean wasn't getting picked? He played 19 games in 2019 and every game bar 1 after round 5 this year.
 

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