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Hypothetical which could become reality...What would we offer for Judd?
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Exactly, He is the best player in the AFL, They could get anyone they want for him as long as the other club was willing
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trading didak for anyone is madness. he's top ten in the afl, he's definitely our most valuable player, and if he wasn't playing, we would have finished bout 13th or 14th last year. he's too good to get rid of, and that's why we fought so hard to keep him in the whole nick stevens affair (despite the fact we needed a class midfielder then, too).
as for trading about four or five of our best youngsters or top draft picks, that's what Carlton did in the late nineties: trading youth for experience. and as we know, it has a habit of backfiring SPECTACULARLY. they're only getting back on track now because of a change of tactics in keeping and developing their youth rather than trading them off for the experienced player. If we decimated our youngsters for Judd, we'd have the carlton paradigm of one gun (Fevola) and a whole lotta *****e. Especially since we are expecting mass retirement soon and we need those young guns to step up.
If we really want judd, we gotta give west coast the one thing they desperately need: a real key forward. as much as it pains me to say it, a player like rocca in their forward line could be just what they're after: someone to crash packs, take a contested grab, maybe even kick a goal or two. I'm not saying that they would readily trade judd for rocca, but if he wanted to return to melbourne, that could make it interesting. with a strong midfield already, a monster like rocca in the goalsquare could almost cover a loss like judd.
but i don't think he'll be leaving west coast for a long time.
as for trading about four or five of our best youngsters or top draft picks, that's what Carlton did in the late nineties: trading youth for experience. and as we know, it has a habit of backfiring SPECTACULARLY. they're only getting back on track now because of a change of tactics in keeping and developing their youth rather than trading them off for the experienced player. If we decimated our youngsters for Judd, we'd have the carlton paradigm of one gun (Fevola) and a whole lotta *****e. Especially since we are expecting mass retirement soon and we need those young guns to step up.
If we really want judd, we gotta give west coast the one thing they desperately need: a real key forward. as much as it pains me to say it, a player like rocca in their forward line could be just what they're after: someone to crash packs, take a contested grab, maybe even kick a goal or two. I'm not saying that they would readily trade judd for rocca, but if he wanted to return to melbourne, that could make it interesting. with a strong midfield already, a monster like rocca in the goalsquare could almost cover a loss like judd.
but i don't think he'll be leaving west coast for a long time.
Get your hand off it. I'd give up Didak for Juddy.
I'd have a maximum offer of 3 players/picks and players that cannot be traded would include Pendles, Heath Shaw, T Cloke, Brown, Reid, Fraser, Maxwell.
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You are overrating him massively.
I love the guy, but he's not even close to Top 10 in the AFL.
In no particular order, Chris Judd, Matthew Pavlich, Jonathan Brown, Brad Johnson, Adam Goodes, Nick Riewoldt, Barry Hall, Daniel Kerr, Ben Cousins, Simon Black, Simon Goodwin, Dean Cox, Brendan Fevola, Matthew Lloyd, Scott West, Chad Cornes, Nick Dal Santo, Lenny Hayes, Luke Ball and Matthew Scarlett are all better, without doubt.
That's 20 players right off the top of my head that are better than Alan Didak, and there are more that you can make an argument for.
Come to think of it, he's not even the best player on the team - Clement still holds that mantle.
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One has played a handful of games.
The other has never played a senior game.
Yet they are better then Judd?
Hmmmm, I understand why so many people bag out Collingwood supporters.. Its because of stupid comments like this.
Judd is better then any player in the AFL and there are no two players on our list that are better then him. Other then Fraser because of our need for a ruckman. Other then Fraser, there aren't two players you wouldnt trade for him.
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look.. ive been giving this some thought.. as brilliant as judd is he is'nt a team... he is'nt even a midfield(although sometimes i dont agree with my own statement)... he is but one man, with one set of arms and legs....
id love to have him.. but not at the expense of 2 of our best players- proven best players- id take him only if the wanted swanny and rusling and a pick...
you see all the players we have play their bit at our club if we start dissecting in order to get one gun(who will do a serious injury-karma),what happens when judd is injured?
collingwood starts becoming a one man team like we were with bucks...
IMO we should leave judd alone and like PETRO stated above.... we have made some good picks over the last couple of season... let those choices come to fruition.. we have a great future ahead...
id love to have him.. but not at the expense of 2 of our best players- proven best players- id take him only if the wanted swanny and rusling and a pick...
you see all the players we have play their bit at our club if we start dissecting in order to get one gun(who will do a serious injury-karma),what happens when judd is injured?
collingwood starts becoming a one man team like we were with bucks...
IMO we should leave judd alone and like PETRO stated above.... we have made some good picks over the last couple of season... let those choices come to fruition.. we have a great future ahead...
Now everyone one that knows the tinyest bit about football will disagree with you on that
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maybe..... but what would win u a war? one achillies or 300 spartans? as good as one man is he wont win us a flag... remember bucks.... he was our achilies for years... no-one around him could do what he did...
i think the coaching staff have finnaly started to get it right... we are building our team of spartans right now.
i think the coaching staff have finnaly started to get it right... we are building our team of spartans right now.
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if we could get judd without giving any of those boys up.... id get judd dressed as a spartan warrior with a magpie on his shield tattoed on my back....
i know what ur saying.. but i dont think he is worth giving up alot of players for...
i reckon it would be a better idea to try and get kerr over here... im pretty sure we could rehabilitate him ( supply him good coca) and keep him out of trouble?
i know what ur saying.. but i dont think he is worth giving up alot of players for...
i reckon it would be a better idea to try and get kerr over here... im pretty sure we could rehabilitate him ( supply him good coca) and keep him out of trouble?
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anyway.. who needs judd.... WE HAVE MARTY -IRA- CLARKE....
not quite an army of 300 warriors... but nutcase army none the least!!!
not quite an army of 300 warriors... but nutcase army none the least!!!
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Re: Hypothetical which could become reality...What would wce offer for Clarke?
Changed the title for this post.
I reckon Judd + Kerr + Embley + First Round Draft Pick might be considered.
Changed the title for this post.
I reckon Judd + Kerr + Embley + First Round Draft Pick might be considered.
Re: Hypothetical which could become reality...What would wce offer for Clarke?
As if more like, Judd + Kerr + Cousins + Cox + Embly + 2 Million dollars
Forget giving players and cash for Judd.Too much too risk.If we can get him for cash only ok.Because remember he can go down like any other player and do a knee or something.What happens then if you have trade a didak,nathan brown and say 2 quality picks.That is going backwards.
No siree, money ok ,too much risk to give away quality players,you still have too make up your losses if the pies did that.No player is worth say 1 mill a year plus top quality players.Because it too much a risk factor.
Money only,otherwise let the other clubs go for him.I would never trade 2-3 quality players for 1 player,he could quite easily get injured long term,then the club that has given so much up is stuffed!
No siree, money ok ,too much risk to give away quality players,you still have too make up your losses if the pies did that.No player is worth say 1 mill a year plus top quality players.Because it too much a risk factor.
Money only,otherwise let the other clubs go for him.I would never trade 2-3 quality players for 1 player,he could quite easily get injured long term,then the club that has given so much up is stuffed!
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Starting all-australian last year would put him in the top 18. Subjective i know but my point is he plays such a valuable role for us that we look like rubbish without him. Its possible to cover the loss of a quality midfielder in my opinion, but much harder to cover a goalkicker and more importantly goal creator. I think he led the assists last year at some stage, not sure if he was leader at season's end but he'd be close. he's pretty much the only small forward to consistently win games for a team, possible excpetions for Farmer and Davey.
Look judd is the best in the league, but the role didak plays makes him very important as well... i wouldn't trade him.
and as for lloydy being better than didak? Shame!
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Re: Hypothetical which could become reality...What would wce offer for Clarke?
Add Worsfold into the deal as head coach and we got a deal... maybe.
Add Worsfold into the deal as head coach and we got a deal... maybe.
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No, starting All Australian puts him in the Top 2 HFFs. There isn't going to be 12 key forwards or 5 full backs in the team...
If you'll notice, I didn't list any other HFFs.
Everyone seems to be working off the Tarrant deal as the base for this and I think you're all correct on that one. The Eagles will demand a lot and I think the brakes on their demands will be Judd stating he wants to go to team X which means that the Eagles will have to compromise more to make the deal.
This is a real interesting thread and theres a lot to consider. First off you need to consider the value of a first round pick. Pick 1 or 2 in a draft is valued considerably higher then picks over number 6 and even 3rd and 4th don't quiet have the shine that those two do. I'd say that without knowing the order of where the picks are its hard to figure what kind of value the pick would add to the trade. Plus the quality of the draft is something to consider. The number one pick players can be so very different, compare Judd and Riewoldt to Fraser. Which one would you really want out of those three. Lets face it Josh is a great player for us, but those two are a step up in calibre. So if the next crop looks to have a genuine star of Judd's potential then they will probably demand pick 1 and that pick will have a more substantial value attached. If its another bumper crop making for a deep draft then that adds to the value of the picks - particularly the second round picks as the quality of the players available at the point will be much higher.
I think Collingwood's biggest problem in the hunt for Judd will be our lack of depth which means we can't really offer much without potentially tearing a big chunk out of the team. As posts earlier have pointed out the trade for Buckley (aka Achilles) really set us back and regardless of whether you think it was fair trade or worth it, our depth is still hurting. We have started to turn this around and I'd find it difficult to see collingwood offer two quality players plus picks. The Pies are clearly aiming for a title shot in 3-4 years time so going for Judd is probably not really in our interest as by then the rockets will be starting to run down and probably won't have too much left in him....but who knows I could be wrong look at Bucks.
Anyways my thoughts on what we give really depend on what sort of year we have and where our picks end up. So lets say Collingwood has wretched year and ends up in the bottom four (as some have predicted), but didn't get a priority pick. The draft is a pretty average one with a number of future superstars, but none the likes of Judd.
Heres how I'd see Collingwood making the offer:
Draft pick round 1 (say for this case its pick number 2), second round pick plus a young and upcoming player. The hardest part is probably who this player would be. I can't see it being a Thomas/Pendlebury or even a Reid/Brown, which is the problem as our previous second round pick players over the last 4-5 years haven't really come through. I think someone at the level of Heath Shaw who isn't named Shaw or Cloke would probably be what they're after. I got no idea.....
This is a real interesting thread and theres a lot to consider. First off you need to consider the value of a first round pick. Pick 1 or 2 in a draft is valued considerably higher then picks over number 6 and even 3rd and 4th don't quiet have the shine that those two do. I'd say that without knowing the order of where the picks are its hard to figure what kind of value the pick would add to the trade. Plus the quality of the draft is something to consider. The number one pick players can be so very different, compare Judd and Riewoldt to Fraser. Which one would you really want out of those three. Lets face it Josh is a great player for us, but those two are a step up in calibre. So if the next crop looks to have a genuine star of Judd's potential then they will probably demand pick 1 and that pick will have a more substantial value attached. If its another bumper crop making for a deep draft then that adds to the value of the picks - particularly the second round picks as the quality of the players available at the point will be much higher.
I think Collingwood's biggest problem in the hunt for Judd will be our lack of depth which means we can't really offer much without potentially tearing a big chunk out of the team. As posts earlier have pointed out the trade for Buckley (aka Achilles) really set us back and regardless of whether you think it was fair trade or worth it, our depth is still hurting. We have started to turn this around and I'd find it difficult to see collingwood offer two quality players plus picks. The Pies are clearly aiming for a title shot in 3-4 years time so going for Judd is probably not really in our interest as by then the rockets will be starting to run down and probably won't have too much left in him....but who knows I could be wrong look at Bucks.
Anyways my thoughts on what we give really depend on what sort of year we have and where our picks end up. So lets say Collingwood has wretched year and ends up in the bottom four (as some have predicted), but didn't get a priority pick. The draft is a pretty average one with a number of future superstars, but none the likes of Judd.
Heres how I'd see Collingwood making the offer:
Draft pick round 1 (say for this case its pick number 2), second round pick plus a young and upcoming player. The hardest part is probably who this player would be. I can't see it being a Thomas/Pendlebury or even a Reid/Brown, which is the problem as our previous second round pick players over the last 4-5 years haven't really come through. I think someone at the level of Heath Shaw who isn't named Shaw or Cloke would probably be what they're after. I got no idea.....
Depends who fires this year. If Swan consolidates from last season and say Rhyce Shaw has a really fantastic season. Those two plus a first rounder if we have a poor year(between 16-12), could be enough to do it. Obviously everyone would do that in a heartbeat. Most likely though it would be Didak, Pendlebury and a 1st rounder. I would actually think long and hard about doing that before probably turning it down. I would however do Didak, Pendlebury, Swan and a 1st rounder for Judd and Kerr. Hahaha. Haha. Ha. Judd will stay at the Eagles. Maybe Kerr will end up leaving. Then we will have another hypothetical thread about what we offer for Kerr.