I hope Boomer plays on, yes even with Collingwood

[Xenthor]

Yes he is games record player and all that, but Boomer clearly is good enough to play AFL and after being what most believe unfairly cut he deserves to play on if he wants. He is a legend and future hall of famer and if he want to continue his career so be it. After all it is a business and he needs to put some food on the table for his family. I don't see what the big deal is about to be honest. Collingwood would be a good fit I believe, should be aiming for top 4 and a premiership if being completely honest. An extra 1 or 2 years then leading into a coaching role wouldn't harm anyone would it??

 

[TeeJay Blue]

An extra 1 or 2 years then leading into a coaching role wouldn't harm anyone would it??

 

[Seedsfan]

I wouldn't want him to, he is a North man and I would hope he remains a one club player

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Disappointing he wasn't allowed to go out on his own terms, but North had to do what was right for them, in saying that i really hope he comes to Collingwood, we sorely lack experience and leadership IMO.

 

[JayJ20]

I want Collingwood to take him...

And Wells...

And Dal Santo...

And Mayne...

Because topping up has worked really well...

Will enjoy the implosion in a few years

 

[NM_Mitchell]

As long as those four blokes are happy with what they end up doing next year, I'll be happy.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

Yes he is games record player and all that, but Boomer clearly is good enough to play AFL and after being what most believe unfairly cut he deserves to play on if he wants. He is a legend and future hall of famer and if he want to continue his career so be it. After all it is a business and he needs to put some food on the table for his family. I don't see what the big deal is about to be honest. Collingwood would be a good fit I believe, should be aiming for top 4 and a premiership if being completely honest. An extra 1 or 2 years then leading into a coaching role wouldn't harm anyone would it??

I can guarantee that the all time games record holder won't be having any issues with that.
Media, endorsements, sportsman days/nights, etc

He'll be able to make a mint by just rocking up to a different sports club each week.

 

[threeleggedgoat]

Yes because the several hundred k he's been earning for the past 15 years isn't enough to ensure that already

 

[The Gong]

I wouldn't want him to, he is a North man and I would hope he remains a one club player

I was going to post but you said word for word what i was going to say.

 

[ROOINYOU]

He's too good to sit out next year.
I get what North was going for here but they screwed this up IMO...Boomer had to stay!
The other 3 blokes have had good careers and giving them the flick would have sufficed with the future plans. He ran out every game and was one of the best week in/week out...and that's on top of all his experience and leadership.
What better bloke to give advice to the young guys than this Boomer!!??

This is almost as bad as the Carey incident for North...almost!
Champion players don't come round every year...
Would be hard to see him in another clubs colours but I'm sure in time it would get easier.
I want to see the best players on the park each week...and he's easily in the top half of the league.
...just disappointing...damn you North!

 

[melbournemartin]

I'd take him at Melbourne any day of the week.

 

[PP34]

Nah. Time to call it a day. Endings to careers where someone keeps hanging on, particularly when their club gets rid of them tend to end pretty badly, or at least not in the way they planned.

Retire, and everyone remembers Boomer's last few years much more fondly.

While it wouldn't surprise me to see him do okay if he played on next year, I'm sure there's a heck of a lot of pain for Boomer off the field with all the intense training at his age. Surely that alone would be worth calling it quits, unless he is really desperate for another crack at finals.

 

[Mateyman]

I want Collingwood to take him...

And Wells...

And Dal Santo...

And Mayne...

Because topping up has worked really well...

Will enjoy the implosion in a few years

Yes with 4 fringe senior players across the whole retiring in the next 3 years at a rate of 1.33 per year we'd really be stiched up good and proper by chasing so many experienced players to go with our total of 0 players older than 30.

 

[Mateyman]

Nah. Time to call it a day. Endings to careers where someone keeps hanging on, particularly when their club gets rid of them tend to end pretty badly, or at least not in the way they planned.

Retire, and everyone remembers Boomer's last few years much more fondly.

While it wouldn't surprise me to see him do okay if he played on next year, I'm sure there's a heck of a lot of pain for Boomer off the field with all the intense training at his age. Surely that alone would be worth calling it quits, unless he is really desperate for another crack at finals.

Has worked out OK for Stevie J.

 

[JayJ20]

Yes with 4 fringe senior players across the whole retiring in the next 3 years at a rate of 1.33 per year we'd really be stiched up good and proper by chasing so many experienced players to go with our total of 0 players older than 30.

You already didn't have a first rounder last year and don't have one this year. Your talent is midfield stacked (plus Moore) and recent trading has not addressed your needs in the backline and forwardline. None of the players you're about to recruit are KPPs. Cloke (though he isn't great) at least would take some pressure off Moore. Now that he is leaving, Moore will be triple teamed. We have the same problem, but at least our backline is sorted. Your list is very unbalanced. Yes you got Treloar and Adams, but you can't always trade in talent.

It is literally short term recruiting for Buckley to save himself. Only problem is that it doesn't make a premiership list. You might make finals next year and the year after, but you'll crash after that if they keep ignoring the holes in the list. And making finals next year and the year after means lower draft picks, meaning less of a chance to pick up quality players.

This is short term recruiting 101 right here. And we've seen that short cuts don't work. St Kilda, Carlton Melbourne, Bulldogs and Essendon went the full rebuild. You won't be able to compete with those teams in the near future unless Collingwood complete a proper rebuild and increase their depth, especially KPPs.

Topping up works for teams like Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn as they have the quality already.

It doesn't work for rebuilding sides unless they are close to a premiership.

 

[PerthBoy86]

It's up to him, if he's offered something. I'm not a North fan, and while it would be ideal to see him have finished at North, if he wants to play a year more, who will begrudge him? It will be really strange seeing him play against North though...hmmm

 

[Mateyman]

You already didn't have a first rounder last year and don't have one this year. Your talent is midfield stacked (plus Moore) and recent trading has not addressed your needs in the backline and forwardline. None of the players you're about to recruit are KPPs. Cloke (though he isn't great) at least would take some pressure off Moore. Now that he is leaving, Moore will be triple teamed. We have the same problem, but at least our backline is sorted. Your list is very unbalanced. Yes you got Treloar and Adams, but you can't always trade in talent.

It is literally short term recruiting for Buckley to save himself. Only problem is that it doesn't make a premiership list. You might make finals next year and the year after, but you'll crash after that if they keep ignoring the holes in the list. And making finals next year and the year after means lower draft picks, meaning less of a chance to pick up quality players.

This is short term recruiting 101 right here. And we've seen that short cuts don't work. St Kilda, Carlton Melbourne, Bulldogs and Essendon went the full rebuild. You won't be able to compete with those teams in the near future unless Collingwood complete a proper rebuild and increase their depth, especially KPPs.

Topping up works for teams like Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn as they have the quality already.

It doesn't work for rebuilding sides unless they are close to a premiership.

Some would say that James Stewart is a KPP. Cloke leaving will make 0 difference. He was completely ineffectual and teams stopped even paying him attention later in the year. As for the first rounders, they were traded for Treloar who was 22. That's not short term recruiting - that's picking up your best midfielder for the next 10 years for a reasonable price. I wonder why GWS bothered having senior players in their early years. Must have been short term by Sheedy to make himself look good. Couldn't be that actually having some experienced players around the club helps kids develop... You do realise that even if we trade/bring in Wells, Harvey, Dal Santo, Mayne AND Maric, we will still have far less players over 25 and over 30 than the league average? I wonder whether Essendon regret bringing in Champman even though they weren't close to a premiership

 

[Thats Wright]

He should sign a 1 year deal with Hawthorn and retire at the end of 2017 with their other veterans.

If he's serious about a future in coaching, he should stay well away from Collingwood.

 

[doppleganger]

You already didn't have a first rounder last year and don't have one this year. Your talent is midfield stacked (plus Moore) and recent trading has not addressed your needs in the backline and forwardline. None of the players you're about to recruit are KPPs. Cloke (though he isn't great) at least would take some pressure off Moore. Now that he is leaving, Moore will be triple teamed. We have the same problem, but at least our backline is sorted. Your list is very unbalanced. Yes you got Treloar and Adams, but you can't always trade in talent.

It is literally short term recruiting for Buckley to save himself. Only problem is that it doesn't make a premiership list. You might make finals next year and the year after, but you'll crash after that if they keep ignoring the holes in the list. And making finals next year and the year after means lower draft picks, meaning less of a chance to pick up quality players.

This is short term recruiting 101 right here. And we've seen that short cuts don't work. St Kilda, Carlton Melbourne, Bulldogs and Essendon went the full rebuild. You won't be able to compete with those teams in the near future unless Collingwood complete a proper rebuild and increase their depth, especially KPPs.

Topping up works for teams like Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn as they have the quality already.

It doesn't work for rebuilding sides unless they are close to a premiership.

What a laughable post full of misinformation, poor generalisations and cliches.

First off, you appear to have missed the transition in the game where KPPs aren't as valuable anymore

Dogs have - Boyd, Cordy and Roughead - as their 3 ruck KPP forwards...gee three guns there!!

Down back they are going with Hamling and Morris, two midsized HBF types...why isn't the sky falling??

Sydney have - Tippett, Buddy and Naismith - and down back they have only Grundy, and then Rampe / Laidler who are midsized who play tall.

Both teams rely on a gun midfield to dictate the game, the Giants also have the dominant midfield. Adelaide need to boost their midfield if they are going to seriously challenge.

Geelong were found out for being too tall and slow, and no midfield depth after the big2.

If we were to follow the structure of the two GF teams

We would play Grundy, Moore and White as our ruck tall forwards.

Down back have one KPP, Reid, and then have a group of midsized defenders like Howe, Marsh, Maynard.

Big lugs like Cloke and N.Brown are now surplus to requirement.

Concern at Collingwood being that if those two leave, and Frost and Witts move on then we are very skinny with Keeffe and Cox the only back-up in terms of KPP.

But that is the direction the game is going.

We need some experience as Swan, Toovey and Macaffer have retired and it looks like Cloke and N.Brown are gone to.

If we leave it as is we would have no 30 year olds, and not enough senior leaders to help the young kids...so getting in some old heads IS a requirement this off-season.

 

[JayJ20]

Some would say that James Stewart is a KPP. Cloke leaving will make 0 difference. He was completely ineffectual and teams stopped even paying him attention later in the year. As for the first rounders, they were traded for Treloar who was 22. That's not short term recruiting - that's picking up your best midfielder for the next 10 years for a reasonable price. I wonder why GWS bothered having senior players in their early years. Must have been short term by Sheedy to make himself look good. Couldn't be that actually having some experienced players around the club helps kids develop... You do realise that even if we trade/bring in Wells, Harvey, Dal Santo, Mayne AND Maric, we will still have far less players over 25 and over 30 than the league average? I wonder whether Essendon regret bringing in Champman even though they weren't close to a premiership

I didn't say that Treloar was short term recruiting. Adams and Treloar were good for you, but you aren't always going to keep getting talent from trading. I said that going after all those guys is short term recruiting. You did well up until now. Collingwood need to continue the drafting in order to build a premiership contending side. Why stop now when you haven't achieved anything yet? With patience and the continued rebuilding, you have the chance to build a balanced side that'll have long term success.

You can be a young side, but if you don't have the talent, then that doesn't matter. It's not about counting the 30 year olds.

 

[JayJ20]

What a laughable post full of misinformation, poor generalisations and cliches.

First off, you appear to have missed the transition in the game where KPPs aren't as valuable anymore

Dogs have - Boyd, Cordy and Roughead - as their 3 ruck KPP forwards...gee three guns there!!

Down back they are going with Hamling and Morris, two midsized HBF types...why isn't the sky falling??

Sydney have - Tippett, Buddy and Naismith - and down back they have only Grundy, and then Rampe / Laidler who are midsized who play tall.

Both teams rely on a gun midfield to dictate the game, the Giants also have the dominant midfield. Adelaide need to boost their midfield if they are going to seriously challenge.

Geelong were found out for being too tall and slow, and no midfield depth after the big2.

If we were to follow the structure of the two GF teams

We would play Grundy, Moore and White as our ruck tall forwards.

Down back have one KPP, Reid, and then have a group of midsized defenders like Howe, Marsh, Maynard.

Big lugs like Cloke and N.Brown are now surplus to requirement.

Concern at Collingwood being that if those two leave, and Frost and Witts move on then we are very skinny with Keeffe and Cox the only back-up in terms of KPP.

But that is the direction the game is going.

We need some experience as Swan, Toovey and Macaffer have retired and it looks like Cloke and N.Brown are gone to.

If we leave it as is we would have no 30 year olds, and not enough senior leaders to help the young kids...so getting in some old heads IS a requirement this off-season.

Even if you want to build a midfield like GWS, Sydney and Bulldogs, you'd need to keep rebuilding. None of those players linked to you guys will give you sustained success.

I agree that KPPs are not as important as they were before, but you'd still need the deep midfield and some quality KPPs. I don't see Collingwood's midfield competing with the top teams if they do not add more young, gun midfielders in the next couple of drafts.

Melbourne are building a solid midfield. By saying that your talent is midfield stacked, I mean comparative to the rest your list, not the competition.

 

[doppleganger]

Even if you want to build a midfield like GWS, Sydney and Bulldogs, you'd need to keep rebuilding. None of those players linked to you guys will give you sustained success.

I agree that KPPs are not as important as they were before, but you'd still need the deep midfield and some quality KPPs. I don't see Collingwood's midfield competing with the top teams if they do not add more young, gun midfielders in the next couple of drafts.

Melbourne are building a solid midfield. By saying that your talent is midfield stacked, I mean comparative to the rest your list, not the competition.

How does adding a couple of senior players with a couple of years left stop a club from continuing to draft gun kids?

They would be picked up as delisted free agents, you dont need to give up a high draft pick.

Pies will still hit the draft table, hopefully add Daicos, Brown and another couple of 18yr olds. They already have three top 10 pick midfielders in - Aish, DeGoey and the Berg - coming through to support the more established young mids in Treloar, Adams and Crisp.

What we lack is quality senior talent, with good skills, to guide the kids...our senior blokes in 2016 were massive failures.

For the last few years we have been moving on senior blokes to bring in kids, our list profile is now out of kilter with too many kids so makes sense to bring some senior blokes in.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

This old shit again. Some people cant help themselves but bag Collingwood out at every opportunity

We will likely take Wells who will be our only senior listed player over 29. Dal Santo is being tyre kicked only and will possibly get picked up if we miss out on Wells although personally its not my preference.

We might rookie list an older ruckman with Witts leaving

Mayne is only 28.

Out Maccaffer Cloke Toovey Swan Witts and possibly Brown and a couple other senior players. We will be a younger list even if we top up with Wells. And we have our eyes on Hoskin Elliot who is 22. And after all that we will have 5-6 live picks including two father sons.

Doubt Harvey is on the radar at Collingwood but if he wishes to play on there are plenty of clubs he'd be a good fit for.

 

[paddy18]

What a laughable post full of misinformation, poor generalisations and cliches.

First off, you appear to have missed the transition in the game where KPPs aren't as valuable anymore

Dogs have - Boyd, Cordy and Roughead - as their 3 ruck KPP forwards...gee three guns there!!

Down back they are going with Hamling and Morris, two midsized HBF types...why isn't the sky falling??

Sydney have - Tippett, Buddy and Naismith - and down back they have only Grundy, and then Rampe / Laidler who are midsized who play tall.

Both teams rely on a gun midfield to dictate the game, the Giants also have the dominant midfield. Adelaide need to boost their midfield if they are going to seriously challenge.

Geelong were found out for being too tall and slow, and no midfield depth after the big2.

If we were to follow the structure of the two GF teams

We would play Grundy, Moore and White as our ruck tall forwards.

Down back have one KPP, Reid, and then have a group of midsized defenders like Howe, Marsh, Maynard.

Big lugs like Cloke and N.Brown are now surplus to requirement.

Concern at Collingwood being that if those two leave, and Frost and Witts move on then we are very skinny with Keeffe and Cox the only back-up in terms of KPP.

But that is the direction the game is going.

We need some experience as Swan, Toovey and Macaffer have retired and it looks like Cloke and N.Brown are gone to.

If we leave it as is we would have no 30 year olds, and not enough senior leaders to help the young kids...so getting in some old heads IS a requirement this off-season.

That is an astonishingly good post......truly.

 

[mike123]

You already didn't have a first rounder last year and don't have one this year. Your talent is midfield stacked (plus Moore) and recent trading has not addressed your needs in the backline and forwardline. None of the players you're about to recruit are KPPs. Cloke (though he isn't great) at least would take some pressure off Moore. Now that he is leaving, Moore will be triple teamed. We have the same problem, but at least our backline is sorted. Your list is very unbalanced. Yes you got Treloar and Adams, but you can't always trade in talent.

We stacked with inside midfielders, we need outclass and speed. Boomer and Wells add that. Plus it would allow mids like Sidebottom to play forward. Key defenders are fine for now, we still have our premiership duo in Brown and Reid plus Marsh developing. I agree we should keep Cloke, he shouldn't have been dropped at all this year and has been managed poorly.

It is literally short term recruiting for Buckley to save himself. Only problem is that it doesn't make a premiership list. You might make finals next year and the year after, but you'll crash after that if they keep ignoring the holes in the list. And making finals next year and the year after means lower draft picks, meaning less of a chance to pick up quality players.

First of all Gubby is in charge not Buckley Secondly. Recruiting these guys now doesn't stop us from fixing those holes.

This is short term recruiting 101 right here. And we've seen that short cuts don't work. St Kilda, Carlton Melbourne, Bulldogs and Essendon went the full rebuild. You won't be able to compete with those teams in the near future unless Collingwood complete a proper rebuild and increase their depth, especially KPPs.

Aside from the Bulldogs how are the other teams going?

Topping up works for teams like Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn as they have the quality already.

It doesn't work for rebuilding sides unless they are close to a premiership.

Unless we're topping with old players that cost allot that's not true. Topping ups allows us to win more games, and possibly make finals which helps our younger brigade develop into a winning culture. Just look at Melbourne and how their younger players developed in a side that lost all the time.