I know it's only rnd 1...

[NQTIGER]

5-6 goal better side than you (head to head) last year, goal or two better over the entire year, 2 or 3 wins ahead and all that with the list giving up about rd 14.

99% of you lot chose to ignore me when I pointed it out over the off-season but it's now seen as "improvement"?

Heads in sand.

I agree with you on this one, I cant understand why some of us compare us to Essendon?

In the last 30 years they have been one of the most succesfull clubs whilst we have and are still poking around in the Dark, They see a problem and go and fix it, we still only play one quarter of football , the last time we played four quarters, Bartlett was still playing.

2012....hmpffff didnt the mayans predict the end of the world?


2020 maybe.

 

[Jack 17]

5-6 goal better side than you (head to head) last year, goal or two better over the entire year, 2 or 3 wins ahead and all that with the list giving up about rd 14.

99% of you lot chose to ignore me when I pointed it out over the off-season but it's now seen as "improvement"?

Heads in sand.

And I remember this time last yer when the Lions were on fire and going to win the flag too....LOL

 

[SA TIGER]

Give it time, the Bummers have started like a house on fire then fallen in a heap a few years in a row now. See how well they are going come July

All the hype about Essendon and their convincing win over the Bulldogs!

We tend to forget the Lions Round 1 to 4 victories, followed by a monumental slump to 13th on the ladder (winning 3 of the remaning 18 matches).

Very early days yet, I say!

 

[tugga]

Thread is about Hardwick and Malthouse. It never invited a discussion on Essendon's list.
Let's not confuse this with the Essendon board, which it is not.
Please stick to topic.

 

[Slattery_20]

Thread is about Hardwick and Malthouse. It never invited a discussion on Essendon's list.
Let's not confuse this with the Essendon board, which it is not.
Please stick to topic.

I think you missed the 1st page & particularly the OP:

But how how far has Essendon increased it's gap on us...???

IMHO our list had a lot of guys under-performing, rather than absolute duds. I don't think Richmond had anywhere near the number of guys like Winderlich, Lonergan, Hocking, McVeigh, Stanton who gave us nothing last year but are all (more or less) handy footballers, as they showed in 2009 when we were a bit more coherent a side.

All of Tuck, Moore, Graham etc are similar handy level but all had more or less decent years. Cuz, a few others gone. So there's less of that instant upswing with your list.

{Says nothing about the long-term btw: Lonergan, McVeigh, NLM most likely won't be there for our next flag.}

Your list is 1 step along the way. Ours is a step or two ahead. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I am quite happy being where we are.
I'm not sure essendon coming out and winning 15 games is a great thing at this stage.Although I find that highly unlikely in any case.We ourselves have had seasons under a new coach where we have come out firing to our detriment later on.
Like you say it's only round one,and it's alon long road ahead.
I think I took far more out of the Bulldogs performance than Essendons.I thought they were abysmal,and the lack of pressure on Essendons runners coming out of defence would be of major concern.Some blokes just didn't try.
I honestly believe that a few clubs are at the end of their tether if they dont change things up dramatically as far as game style goes as opposed to personnel.The dogs are one and I reckon we play another this weekend.

 

[Slattery_20]

I am quite happy being where we are.
I'm not sure essendon coming out and winning 15 games is a great thing at this stage.Although I find that highly unlikely in any case.We ourselves have had seasons under a new coach where we have come out firing to our detriment later on.
Like you say it's only round one,and it's alon long road ahead.

I don't necessarily know if it's ever a bad thing. Rather win than lose. Even if it means dropping off.

I honestly believe that a few clubs are at the end of their tether if they dont change things up dramatically as far as game style goes as opposed to personnel.The dogs are one and I reckon we play another this weekend.

Could well be right.
Hopefully it's a differnt looking top 8, getting sick of the same 4.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I don't necessarily know if it's ever a bad thing. Rather win than lose. Even if it means dropping off

No doubt winning is far more enjoyable.We have been burt a few times by overachieving.false dawn call it what you will.It's the pessimist in me! For your sake i hope Im wrong but I just dont know if the bombers are at top 8 standard yet.

 

[Slattery_20]

I think we'll be borderline. Will need a lot to go right to win a final but no reason we can't get 7th/8th

Only over-achieving when it wasn't backed up!!! If we're thinking of the same example: 7 of the first 10 wins is great, the real issue isn't that at all. The real problem was winning 2 of the last 12 or whatever it was.

 

[Bojangles17]

you've gone a week early on me Nut, 12 months ago at R3 I made the call How did Freo emerge from the pack amid cries from the masses that they were yet to be convinced then at R 6 or so I said call me crazy JR for the coleman...well i'll tellya all now, Ess will make the finals. so how is it that with a list that i wouldn't have thought any better than ours has made such rapid improvement. Does it support BG mantra that money talk$$$$$$$ or have they bedded a superiour battle plan than what our brainstrust are attempting at punt Rd. it's the $64,000 question. But make no mistake they like freo last year are well and truly on the way and if anyones got any brains they will get on the punt over the coming weeks and make some serious scratch by backing them

 

[nut]

Knights could well have got the bombers up against the Dogs also..... but the confidence the playing group would have in Bomber would be huge.... anything he says they know is gospel and works... he is a Premiership coach. Confidence in the game plan and the message from the coach is paramount to the success of a club. The better the coach the more confidence the players have in what they are trying to do and the more chance they have of actually implementing the game plan... players dont step out of line.... it's when confidence falls from the message the coaches are giving when it's time for the coach to leave...
It took Bomber a long time at the Cats to finally get his message across, but when he did .... 2 flags.... will we have the patience???

I dont think the actual game plan is as important as actually being able to implement it.... teaching the players HOW to play a certain way is the key.

What Malthouse brings is the ability to develop a game plan that suits the players he has which he then builds on... How many players were in the Collingwood premiership side that played in the last GF against the Lions?? I think 2... so he turned the list over very quickly.

Like I said I have no problems the way we are travelling at this stage... But if an opportunity to poach one of the best coaches of the modern era presents it's self should we look into it?????

 

[Bojangles17]

i'm prepared at this point to accept there will be growing pains, Collingwood cats, hawks and even freo all expereinced it before they made progress. i ernestly believe all we need is a little luck with 1 or two of the talls we've drafted to really come on...err Griff anyone and we will genuinely take steps forward, tis the missing link right now

 

[sante]

This thread is a joke.

Even coming from Dr. Neg (me)... this thread is farcical. What have Essendon but win a game against an inept Bulldogs. If given the choice, l would take our list over theres ANY day.

Hird may have them playing above themselves now, but seriously... that shit has a time limit on how long they can do that for. Say they have a good year, playing above themselves... they'll still finish maybe bottom 8.

And then next year, when they cant repeat... the house will be burnt down because the honeymoon period is over.

I'd take Hardwick anyday... and **** me, Thompson... luckiest coach ever. Didnt have to coach. And his tactics in last years finals series, just proved at how bad he is. His only tactic is... my side is better than yours.

Pathetic thread.

Actually agreeing with you.

We are so far behind every other team it isn't funny. Hardwick pretty much had to start from the very bottom.

 

[captain blood 17]

Bomber should be applaud?

 

[captain blood 17]

I understand the point of the thread, but lets see this through. I reckon it could de stabilise the club more than anything. I'm backing Dimma and co. Fresh outside blood, no politics, lets keep it going.

 

[Infamy]

Only Richmond supporters could start to look at giving their coach the knife after Round 1 of his 2nd season.
How much of Collingwood's performance last year was Malthouse and how much was due the arrival and strategies of Buckley?
I don't know, I'm sure no one here does either, however for us to even start considering these things is just ridiculous

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Actually agreeing with you.

We are so far behind every other team it isn't funny. Hardwick pretty much had to start from the very bottom.

THIS!!!!!
PPL need 2 realise, every team in the league is ahead in terms of developement & list building, for the simple fact that they have a few yrs on us. EVEN wooden sponers West Coast. Its our first yr in the BIGGEST MAJOR OVERHALL THE CLUB HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR 20 YRS! Even GC is a head of us when u look at the consessions they've been given.
We ARE building but it wil take time. Just be glad that in the first yr in which we turned over so many players we didnt finish last and won 6 games, which is more than we can say of other teams when attempting the same. A small victory in my mind which at this stage I'll take

 

[smasha]

THIS!!!!!
PPL need 2 realise, every team in the league is ahead in terms of developement & list building, for the simple fact that they have a few yrs on us. EVEN wooden sponers West Coast. Its our first yr in the BIGGEST MAJOR OVERHALL THE CLUB HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR 20 YRS! Even GC is a head of us when u look at the consessions they've been given.
We ARE building but it wil take time. Just be glad that in the first yr in which we turned over so many players we didnt finish last and won 6 games, which is more than we can say of other teams when attempting the same. A small victory in my mind which at this stage I'll take

This.

Very true.

 

[tigerdan]

Of all the tems you could have compared us with, you choose Essendon??? Sheesh, compare us all you like with Carlton or Melbourne or probably half a dozen other clubs. But the bummers? Way too early to claim that they are so far ahead of us.

 

[Bojangles17]

can someone tell me why we are behind everyone in list development, this LOSERS syndrome would appear to have paid its price.Why for example would we be behind ESS and WC..when last year we finished 1 game behind them and a few ahead of WC. There are plenty of other examples but peole are prepared to accept we have to be the worst...ummm because

 

[NQTIGER]

I am quite happy being where we are.
I'm not sure essendon coming out and winning 15 games is a great thing at this stage.Although I find that highly unlikely in any case.We ourselves have had seasons under a new coach where we have come out firing to our detriment later on.
Like you say it's only round one,and it's alon long road ahead.
I think I took far more out of the Bulldogs performance than Essendons.I thought they were abysmal,and the lack of pressure on Essendons runners coming out of defence would be of major concern.Some blokes just didn't try.
I honestly believe that a few clubs are at the end of their tether if they dont change things up dramatically as far as game style goes as opposed to personnel.The dogs are one and I reckon we play another this weekend.

I guess 15 losses is better in the Name of development, ME i wouldnt mind a bradbury flag like the hawks , but hey thats just me

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I guess 15 losses is better in the Name of development, ME i wouldnt mind a bradbury flag like the hawks , but hey thats just me

Thats just not going to happen is it?
How Hawthorn of 2008 can be compared to Essendon or us is beyond me.
You know what I mean.Rather be stuck developing than holding them back and playing older players for the sake of being more competitive now.Don't you remember frawley throwing everything at older blokes and recycled players in 2002 and where that sent us.

 

[tunksy]

well richmond seem to want to win games this year, least thats my take on it, dimma got annoyed win didnt beat carlton when we had the chnace to do so. now they've come out and said theyd like to beat st kilda and end their 13 game winning streak against us.

 

[1980]

Hilarious. If you take anything away from that game its how fragile the Bulldogs will be this year.

I would have taken Malthouse as my 1st pick as coach at any other time for the past 20 years. Not now he is a Collingwood premiership coach.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

I don't think there's much of a gap at all. Watson probably would've been the difference but both teams are solid without being contenders. Both will finish 6th-11th this year.