I resign from this board

[Thrawn]

I would like to see a carlton player lay a sheperd next week.

It would be quite nice and I would like them to do it.

It all depends on how the sheep follow.

 

[sherb]

i thought carlton supporters would be happy losing ..... isnt that the brand of footy they are playing .....TANKING ......or have you changed it to THROWING MATCHES now ?

Well, you thought wrong didn't you?

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Look, I hate Carlton more than the next guy, but don't stop supporting just because the goings tough. It is only going to make it sweeter when Carlton do reach the top again. Carlton have always been known for their passionate supporters, you just have to stick it out and success will come. Heck, we've been doing it for 27 years.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We are a ____ing disgrace and we are going the same way as the Saints and the Tigers with our supporters willing to make excuses for a pathetic team.

I beg to differ, especially in regards to the Tigers.

Would someone explain to me how ripping up memberships, spitting at coaches, dumping loads of manure and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, has motivated Richmond to become successful? Probably the one thing we have had going for us in comparison to other poor sides is that we have experienced record memberships consistently during the bleakest time in our history, that somewhere we have summoned the pride to believe we can get back.

Sure I can't stand it when supporters talk about how we are going to go from 0-2 to 3-2 and act as if they know something the rest of us don't know. Cautious optimism is always better than straight out delusion for sure.

It bloody hurts, we all know that. It is hurt that inspires dozens of negative threads after every game. People need to vent, they need to purge all of the poison so they can face up again the next week. We are metaphorically getting ploughed, getting in a bar fight, getting locked up for a night, then waking the next day holding our heads and saying, oh jesus, how do I move forward from this? One foot in front of another, someone slags off at our losing streak, we hold the head and wince again and hope the pain eases during the week.

Our biggest problem is the false dawns before every season and the mini false dawns every week. Some of our supporters are their own worst enemies and they elevate the team so high during the week, that the fall every weekend hurts all the more. The problem is that they are not the ones falling all the time, they are setting the rest of us up for a fall more often than not as we venture in here and cop the whack for what they set up during the week.

I think each week we might have a dedicated bragging and big noting thread where all the big calls about how we are going to ream our opponents can go. Opposition supporters will then be entitled to come in and single out those posters when the result goes sour and perhaps the rest of us won't have to endure it day in, day out.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

I beg to differ, especially in regards to the Tigers.

Would someone explain to me how ripping up memberships, spitting at coaches, dumping loads of manure and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, has motivated Richmond to become successful?

Ahhh the stereotype, where would we be without it? Maybe you guys should just go back and concentrate on your restaurants in Lygon St?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Ahhh the stereotype, where would we be without it? Maybe you guys should just go back and concentrate on your restaurants in Lygon St?

It's not stereotyping as such, it's an analogy.

The Tigers do have a loyal band of supporters and when the minority overreact and do things like the above, it diminishes the whole supporter base and it does nothing to lift the team. The Tigers are proof that getting angry is not the be all and end all. Some teams want to win for the loyal supporters, not the angry supporters. Some teams are just as likely to say 'well ____ them, who the hell am I busting a gut for if they feel that way.'

Show hurt by all means but show supporter while you are at it.

If I was at Carlton, I would be looking towards elderly supporters in the stands, not sure how long they have left. Get them to tell the team what it would mean to them to see the Blues win again. The young leukaemia patients wearing the Carlton guernsey. Inspire them, motivate them, don't just beat them into submission. How many teams of collective egos is going to give 110% because they are scared of being yelled out by a bunch of drunken yobbos huddling around the players race?

So no, not having a go at the Tigers as a whole, just the individuals whose embarrassing gestures have not only had zero impact on the team but also have a very negative impact on the supporter base.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

It's not stereotyping as such, it's an analogy.

The Tigers do have a loyal band of supporters and when the minority overreact and do things like the above, it diminishes the whole supporter base and it does nothing to lift the team. The Tigers are proof that getting angry is not the be all and end all. Some teams want to win for the loyal supporters, not the angry supporters. Some teams are just as likely to say 'well ____ them, who the hell am I busting a gut for if they feel that way.'

Show hurt by all means but show supporter while you are at it.

If I was at Carlton, I would be looking towards elderly supporters in the stands, not sure how long they have left. Get them to tell the team what it would mean to them to see the Blues win again. The young leukaemia patients wearing the Carlton guernsey. Inspire them, motivate them, don't just beat them into submission. How many teams of collective egos is going to give 110% because they are scared of being yelled out by a bunch of drunken yobbos huddling around the players race?

So no, not having a go at the Tigers as a whole, just the individuals whose embarrassing gestures have not only had zero impact on the team but also have a very negative impact on the supporter base.

Well said mate, I obviously mis-read what you were saying, and I agree wholeheartedly. As much as I hate to say it, there is no need for Carlton supporters to be worried about the future, you guys have the makings of a great side, it will come.

 

[FlyingCrow]

It's not stereotyping as such, it's an analogy.

The Tigers do have a loyal band of supporters and when the minority overreact and do things like the above, it diminishes the whole supporter base and it does nothing to lift the team. The Tigers are proof that getting angry is not the be all and end all. Some teams want to win for the loyal supporters, not the angry supporters. Some teams are just as likely to say 'well ____ them, who the hell am I busting a gut for if they feel that way.'

Show hurt by all means but show supporter while you are at it.

If I was at Carlton, I would be looking towards elderly supporters in the stands, not sure how long they have left. Get them to tell the team what it would mean to them to see the Blues win again. The young leukaemia patients wearing the Carlton guernsey. Inspire them, motivate them, don't just beat them into submission. How many teams of collective egos is going to give 110% because they are scared of being yelled out by a bunch of drunken yobbos huddling around the players race?

So no, not having a go at the Tigers as a whole, just the individuals whose embarrassing gestures have not only had zero impact on the team but also have a very negative impact on the supporter base.

Profesional footballers dont care about that kinda stuff. As long as they get paid everthing is good.

If they did Richmond would be on top, they have some of the most passionate supporters in the game.

 

[The Donners]

Watching this thread has been interesting. i understand you need to wait for the success to come and that hard. But any team from the bottom can come up to win. Look at the Lions ten years ago, we did alright after that

Yes, the Brisbane/AFL Lions were quite successfull a few years back.

Nothing against the players but the AFL wants nothing more than the Brisbane Lions to succeed purely to infiltrate rugby's stronghold in QLD. To do this they were given an enhanced salary cap (109%) and there's no doubt if any game against Brisbane is close the umpires make up the numbers to ensure success for the Lions especially when there is going to be another QLD team, the AFL NEEDS their success. And still they didn't get members during their 3-peat.

Brisbane is the AFL's team! They own your ass!

Sorry mate, Carlton are nothing like the Lions were 10 years ago.

 

[The Donners]

Hilarious. 6 goals up and you lose by 6 goals. The Dogs owned you pathetic Single Flag pretenders. You got well and truly hammered. Nice work. Come back when you have a shred of credibility.

great call "single flag pretenders" loved it!

They (Saints supporters) surely are an arrogant bunch for no reason at all aren't they!

 

[The Donners]

sshhh,
we have the best player in the comp,
and he danced for a quarter,
it is happening,
fair dinkum,

Get excited.

 

[The Grover]

Scotland incapable of playing in finals, despite having played in two Grand finals??

The guy should be dropped this week for 3 weeks of poor form & for giving away that free kick before the bounce.

Bring in Browne.

 

[The Grover]

Very well summed up DG. Couldn't have said it any better than myself. One thing I will add though - we need some speed. We don't have any jets waiting in the wings at Preston, but i'd like to think that the recruiting department might go for some leg speed in November.

I agree HBF, just don't forget to tell Wayne Hughes that they also need to be able to hit a target.

 

[Jeremias]

Fair dinkum, why do we need this crap?

We're bleeding enough from the performance of our team without ____ing fairweather supporters bagging the team.

Here's a thought. We don't really give a ____ if you give up. The Carlton Football Club is a proud club with a proud history. We're going through our toughest period in history. We need supporters to stick around, and real supporters stay through the thick and the thin.

If you are only willing to support the club when it's going well, then we don't want you here. This club needs all the support that it can get, and if you're not willing to give that, then ____ off - we don't want you here.

 

[HBF]

I agree HBF, just don't forget to tell Wayne Hughes that they also need to be able to hit a target.

Think you'll find that is one of the reasons the club selected Browne. Not unlike a Bryce Gibbs, he looks very composed when he has the ball, more often than no makes the right decision, and delivers the ball very well.

He also is very good off his left side as well. It would not surprise me to see him debut sooner rather than later.

 

[chumpy]

Absolutely. They just don't improve. We are rubbish, and it's modern hype that gives people that false 'hope.

I mean how long has it been since we've strung more than two wins together? I mean even St.Kilda and Fitzroy at their worst start to improve. WE haven't and there is a massive amount of denial going on around this club and it's future. I mean FFS they said we'd make the finals this year 4 years ago...Oh well, another bloody useless priority draft pick. I mean we're so bad we can't even get the draft to work for us!

We are quickly becoming the new Richmond.

Well go support someone else mate. You are a joke.
Its bad decision making on the field that is the issue. Although it was Eddie Betts' best game for your club last night, his decision to kick short to a contest with 30 sec to go in the 3rd qtr cost you a goal to ugly man McFee after the siren. Also 2 crucial errros by Russell, 1) kicking short to a contest from the back pocket (resulted in goal) and 2) having a snap shot on his left in the last qtr when he should have handballed to Stevens.

 

[Melbdave81]

While giving up on them is never an option, it puzzles me why people get so upset when supporters and paid up members critise poor performances.

If we are to improve, then players who are not up to standard need to be cut from the list and others need to be found to take their place. Some of the performances for senior players and even some of the younger players are not up to AFL standard, and i see no problem with people discussing it.

It is fantastic to see performances of players like Kruezer, Jammo, Murph, Fev, Eddie, the list does go on, but people need to be a little less precious and be willing to discuss the issues. Too many look at it as bagging our players and not sticking with them, that is crap.

Poor performance and execution deserves to be looked into and discussed. To kick 9 goals in a quarter was fantastic, as excited as i have been at the football for a long time, but to then fold, barely giving a yelp is shattering. There are issues, whether they be poor coaching, poor preparation or just not enough good players, we will only find out but discussing and debating it, not by running away from it.

 

[bexta444]

Your bitter and have lost perspective. After years of no success this can happen, but we need to break it down, simplify, forget all the rubbish like the media beat ups and start looking for the positives out of games, whether it be the further development of a young kid or the leadership of one of the older boys. I was very happy with our performance, we have an issue with the 'fade out' and yeah we probably have forgotten how to win, that happens when you lose consecutively for so long. But there are positives and they're not hard to find. The side geld really well last night, highlights in Fev, Betts, Stevo, Jamo, Juddy, to name a few. I honestly believe there is no point in bagging out your side week in, week out, year after year. If it angers you so much step off, we won't miss supporters who bring us all down.

 

[wdgann]

Carazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Russell, Houlihan, Waite, Scotland, O'Hailpin, Walker, Bannister, Thornton are players that will never play finals footy, nor are worthy of it. This is the stone cold truth.


I think you have a point mate. You read the posts on this board talking about good some of these players and they are still developing, just poor decision making etc. It is time we became realistic, creatic a groundswell and then maybe things will change

FFS, the stuff you read about Thornton (I know I have a vendetta against him) is truly amazing. He would have to be the most useless player that has ever put on a Carlton jumper. If Carlton supporters were more realistic, maybe some of these guys would have already been delisted so we could move on

Yeh, and Kernahan should definately go

 

[mightymightyblues]

Although this is a different code, Newcastle United were in a much similar position to where we are now, throughout their 07/08 seasons. They did not have a win from the 15th of December 2007, finally breaking their drought on March 22nd 2008. That was 13 straight winless games. In those 13 games they conceded 31 goals, only kicking 8 themselves.
They have now had 3 wins in a row, conceding only 1 goal and kicking 9.
Their supporters were all down, the clubs manager was sacked and they were in the drop zone of the league. They needed to do something to avoid relegation and are now in a much healthier position.
Newcastle couldn't see any wins coming onto the board for the remainder of the year but after their first win everything changed and they now look a much different and extremely improved club.

This can be certainly taken into account with Carlton. A lot of us are in a position where we can't see a win coming through and are frustrated that our players can't run out the whole game. Though this is becoming a much clichéd term with Carlton now, 'It's just going to take time.' I myself am bloody sick of waiting for results to come through but once a win comes on the board which I'm sure will come against Melbourne in 2 weeks, we can start taking it from their and hopefully get our feet back on track.

 

[sherb]

While giving up on them is never an option, it puzzles me why people get so upset when supporters and paid up members critise poor performances.

I don't have the slightest objection when poor performances are criticized. However, it helps to retain some objectivity about it (which can be done whilst retaining passion and emotion I might add).

It is when we get rants which are hysterical, over-the-top, sometimes abusive, sometimes irrational or like the ones which opened this thread (eg giving someone a fat lip if they mention patience again ffs ) that I personally draw the line.

I don't see how going nuts or venting your spleen on a forum is going to help things. Nor for that matter will splintering as a supporter base and getting the shits with and/or abusing each other.

Being angry and upset about things is understandable, but does everyone seriously think that even if all the supporters trudged down to training and let our players know how angry and upset we are that they will suddenly display the passion, commitment and pride they apparently lack? I somehow doubt it. After all, they are human and - professional athletes or not - they would most likely react to anger and hostility the way most people would.

Alternatively, do people think if we abused the players or coaches after a loss, or tore up memberships, or refused to watch/go to games or stopped buying merchandise, etc that that is really the right way to go about things? Does supporting the club involve turning hostile or imposing boycotts when things aren't going well?

Hell, this club has had a long, long period of success, it doesn't last forever. We are going through bad times and we just have to suck it up. The good times will return, I personally don't see how getting demonstrably and unnecessarily angry and pissed off with things is going to accelerate that process.

I have always believed that the true test of a supporter is the bad times. It would be nice to think that Carlton supporters have the intestinal fortitude, courage and faith to pass that test - however long those bad times may last.

 

[Charbzilla]

Just read your first 3 paragraphs and had enough

your an absolute peasant legendtofski

There were so many positives to come out of last nights game. We played very good footy but need to work on our defensive pressure more and running out a game to the end.

your worse than a crossdressing whore, looking for attention and sh1t in st.kilda

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

Ban me. Call me a troll. But I waste too much angst on this board supporting this rubbish team since we spooned out earlier this decade.

Carazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Russell, Houlihan, Waite, Scotland, O'Hailpin, Walker, Bannister, Thornton are players that will never play finals footy, nor are worthy of it. This is the stone cold truth.

This game, more than any was a 'line in the sand' game for this 'developing' club in this 'modern' game of footy 70% of which is played between the ears. These guys are woeful. The youth are ordinary footballers at their very best, and don't have the maturity to keep them through. When Stevens, Fev et al. are gone we will be crap for another two decades at this rate.

Kernahan has been the biggest denial on this club with his role as behind the scenes head honcho. In nearly a decade our recruitment, list management, coaching etc..etc.. has been less than woeful, even after our punishment for cheating the draft.

Heads must roll, the fish rots at the head, and it's Kernahans' outdated useless mullet and position on the board should be cut off like a terrorist's propaganda video. Despite it's offensiveness (the terrorist videos), they make chilling statements about how bad things are and how disempowered some people are. In this case, the Carlton supporters who have been denied success for most of a decade.

You guys can pontificate about how rubbishy players 'will come good'. They just don't care and have paid off their mortgages well before you or I have, and we still lose.

Tonight's loss is unacceptable, and getting Judd won't turn around this side.

and if I hear the 'have patience' excuse again, someone might get a fat lip. There are alot of better teams out there with 'young lists'.....

so from here on end I resign from this board. I will glean the rubbish you talk about, and will probably get banned for talking the 'truth'.

Alas, even in cyberspace, morons still run the show.

get out and stay out.
Some of the other teams in the AFL have waited over 40+ years
for success...and they're still waiting. Do you see their fans jumping off?
You're a bloody sook. Go and have a cry to mummy.
oh?...and on your way out?....leave all your carlton gear at the door...
you won't be needing it.

bloody baby.

what annoys me is that if we got over the line last night
you would've been on the wagon with bells on.
We dropped short.... but we were in it 95% of the time.

 

[MBIB]

get out and stay out.
Some of the other teams in the AFL have waited over 40+ years
for success...and they're still waiting. Do you see their fans jumping off?
You're a bloody sook. Go and have a cry to mummy.
oh?...and on your way out?....leave all your carlton gear at the door...
you won't be needing it.

bloody baby.

what annoys me is that if we got over the line last night
you would've been on the wagon with bells on.
We dropped short.... but we were in it 95% of the time.

Well said BD

 

[Beloved]

Ban me. Call me a troll. But I waste too much angst on this board supporting this rubbish team since we spooned out earlier this decade.

Carazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Russell, Houlihan, Waite, Scotland, O'Hailpin, Walker, Bannister, Thornton are players that will never play finals footy, nor are worthy of it. This is the stone cold truth.

This game, more than any was a 'line in the sand' game for this 'developing' club in this 'modern' game of footy 70% of which is played between the ears. These guys are woeful. The youth are ordinary footballers at their very best, and don't have the maturity to keep them through. When Stevens, Fev et al. are gone we will be crap for another two decades at this rate.

Kernahan has been the biggest denial on this club with his role as behind the scenes head honcho. In nearly a decade our recruitment, list management, coaching etc..etc.. has been less than woeful, even after our punishment for cheating the draft.

Heads must roll, the fish rots at the head, and it's Kernahans' outdated useless mullet and position on the board should be cut off like a terrorist's propaganda video. Despite it's offensiveness (the terrorist videos), they make chilling statements about how bad things are and how disempowered some people are. In this case, the Carlton supporters who have been denied success for most of a decade.

You guys can pontificate about how rubbishy players 'will come good'. They just don't care and have paid off their mortgages well before you or I have, and we still lose.

Tonight's loss is unacceptable, and getting Judd won't turn around this side.

and if I hear the 'have patience' excuse again, someone might get a fat lip. There are alot of better teams out there with 'young lists'.....

so from here on end I resign from this board. I will glean the rubbish you talk about, and will probably get banned for talking the 'truth'.

Alas, even in cyberspace, morons still run the show.

You're nothing but a stupid, f***ing moron.

Thank god that you've resigned, we don't need to hear unfaithful bullsh*t from rabble like you.

Go join your Collingwood counterparts, you low life piece of scum.