Ian Perrie (sigh)

[Alex99]

I keep mentioning this, but no one hears. in 2005, he ranked 7th in the league for contested marking too.

the boy can play.

And that is the exact reason he has to be given some leeway when it comes to selection and the match committee will stick with him for the time being.

But how long will they give him to find some sort of form?

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Bit of an extreme case as you said. I think he was probably ready for games. His SANFL form post hit was very good in 2005. Twas only last year where he went completely haywire. Sad how bad that hit ended up effecting him. Had a bit of potential.

I dont see how Reilly playing the last 12 minutes of one AFL match in his first year put him behind in his development.

Getting cleaned up by Tarrant in the Wiz cup GF did it. I think he is still shaking his head with that bump.

 

[Cap]

And that is the exact reason he has to be given some leeway when it comes to selection and the match committee will stick with him for the time being.

But how long will they give him to find some sort of form?

probably until Mcgregor is back or James Sellar is playing regular AFC matches

 

[Wood_Duck]

I am hearing but some others aren't.

Perrie and Welsh were VERY VERY good in 2005 which happens to be their last injury free years. You don't lose that over night. They will get better as the season goes on provided of course that they stay injury free.

Perrie is notoriously slow starter but once he gets going he does a reasonably good job.

Stiffy, your impression of Perries performance in 2005 is not shared by everyone. The following threads would suggest that we have been having these conversation about Pez for quite some time. Interesting that many of the views expressed in 2005 are still issues 2 years later and we appear no closer to a solution. Quite disturbing really.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174181
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199045
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173926

P.S these are just a few samples of the many threads from 2005

 

[Coopers]

Was the infamous game vs brizzie in 2005?

I think so.

 

[tribey]

Stiffy, your impression of Perries performance in 2005 is not shared by everyone. The following threads would suggest that we have been having these conversation about Pez for quite some time. Interesting that many of the views expressed in 2005 are still issues 2 years later and we appear no closer to a solution. Quite disturbing really.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174181
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199045
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173926

P.S these are just a few samples of the many threads from 2005

Here's another one I penned in a similar vein espousing the virtues of the effectiveness of our multipronged forward setup at the time. Individually they were servicable, but together they were extremely damaging.

Perrie, in his role as hit-up packbuster fulfilled his role brilliantly. Alone (and with his last 12 months cruelled by injury) he is nowhere near as effective, but that doesn't mean he can't play under the right circumstances as evidenced by his and the team's numbers.

Welsh, Perrie, McGregor, Hentschel = Jones, Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard

 

[Southerntakeover]

Here's another one I penned in a similar vein espousing the virtues of the effectiveness of our multipronged forward setup at the time. Individually they were servicable, but together they were extremely damaging.

Perrie, in his role as hit-up packbuster fulfilled his role brilliantly. Alone (and with his last 12 months cruelled by injury) he is nowhere near as effective, but that doesn't mean he can't play under the right circumstances as evidenced by his and the team's numbers.

Welsh, Perrie, McGregor, Hentschel = Jones, Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard

Good thread. I wonder if its possible at any point this year to have an inform version of a similar attack consisting of Welsh, Perrie, McGregor, Bock and or Roo.

You're dead on when you say Perries been set back by his injuries, but i think we need to calm down a bit on the calling for his head. Remembering that he never should have played in the finals last year, we shouldnt savage him for his performances there, he was underdone. I think hes similiarly underdone here, he missed most of the pre season games. Given a few games, and some confidence, really the most important part of his game, when hes got it his kicking improves no end, then he could again be a darn handy player up forward for us, as he was in 2005.

 

[King Elvis]

Didn't he played between 6-8 games in the lead up to the Finals?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Didn't he played between 6-8 games in the lead up to the Finals?

2 AFL games. Not exactly the best preperation.

 

[RoosterLad]

He played 4 with North i think before getting the call-up from Craigy.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

The question is will we win a premiership with Welsh, Perrie and Bock as our primary focal points up forward - of course not. End of discussion. Time for a change. Surely when you are in a rebuilding stage, you try different things and don't just stick with a line up that has fallen short in the past?

 

[Stiffy_18]

The question is will we win a premiership with Welsh, Perrie and Bock as our primary focal points up forward - of course not. End of discussion. Time for a change. Surely when you are in a rebuilding stage, you try different things and don't just stick with a line up that has fallen short in the past?

ANother question, will we win the premiership with Ricciuto, Goodwin, Bassett, Torney, Edwards, McLeod et al. in the side? NO?!

Then should we look elsewhere when it comes to those players as well?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

ANother question, will we win the premiership with Ricciuto, Goodwin, Bassett, Torney, Edwards, McLeod et al. in the side? NO?!

Then should we look elsewhere when it comes to those players as well?

Ridculous post, you know damn well what I meant. Maybe we should drop Douglas, Knights and Van Berlo this week and in bring Massie, Jericho and Bode.

When you rebuild, I would have thought it is obvious that you drop inconcistent fringe players, not 1st tier players, and bring in the youngsters.

Exactly how do you think we should rebuild this side Stiff, go in unchanged every week and keep rewarding mediocrity?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ridculous post, you know damn well what I meant. Maybe we should drop Douglas, Knights and Van Berlo this week and in bring Massie, Jericho and Bode.

When you rebuild, I would have thought it is obvious that you drop inconcistent fringe players, not 1st tier players, and bring in the youngsters.

Exactly how do you think we should rebuild this side Stiff, go in unchanged every week and keep rewarding mediocrity?

Well forgive me for not being a drama queen and quiter at the first sign of trouble. So maybe we will suck this year. Maybe it will be 2004 all over again but FFS I am NOT going to give up on this team after ONE freaking game.

I think we have done a reasonable job of introducing kids into side and developing them over the last 2 years. Van Berlo has cemented a spot in the 22. Knights is on the verge of doing so and so is Porplyzia. Maric has developed at an exceptional rate and he would have been our #2 ruckman if not for the injury. Its about succession planning not throwling the towel in and going all out into the tanking more which is what you are suggesting.

So lets bring in Tippett and Sellar this week and play them for the rest of the year. Lets also put a stamp on Bode's forehead saying "never to play for the AFC again" and give his spot to Douglas. Lets drop Torney and bring in Pfeiffer when he recovered from fractured cheekbone. Lets also drop Doughty and Shirley and lets bring in Vince and MacKay.

I mean if we are to rebuild lets drop EVERYONE that is not a first tier player and go all out into tanking mode.

FFS, we have been introducing a kids into the side at a reasonable rate in Craigs time here. He has cleared out players one by one over the years to make ways for a youngster when he knows he is ready to take his spot. Thats how successful clubs do it and I'd like to think that we are one.

Not even the great Brisbane Lions of 2000s had a side made up of 22 champion players. They also needed to have those 2nd tier or fringe players as you call them to complement the champions. Our champions are old and we are introducing kids in hope of uncovering players to replace those champions but thats not enough so lets just pick players 25 and under.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Well forgive me for not being a drama queen and quiter at the first sign of trouble. So maybe we will suck this year. Maybe it will be 2004 all over again but FFS I am NOT going to give up on this team after ONE freaking game.

I think we have done a reasonable job of introducing kids into side and developing them over the last 2 years. Van Berlo has cemented a spot in the 22. Knights is on the verge of doing so and so is Porplyzia. Maric has developed at an exceptional rate and he would have been our #2 ruckman if not for the injury. Its about succession planning not throwling the towel in and going all out into the tanking more which is what you are suggesting.

So lets bring in Tippett and Sellar this week and play them for the rest of the year. Lets also put a stamp on Bode's forehead saying "never to play for the AFC again" and give his spot to Douglas. Lets drop Torney and bring in Pfeiffer when he recovered from fractured cheekbone. Lets also drop Doughty and Shirley and lets bring in Vince and MacKay.

I mean if we are to rebuild lets drop EVERYONE that is not a first tier player and go all out into tanking mode.

FFS, we have been introducing a kids into the side at a reasonable rate in Craigs time here. He has cleared out players one by one over the years to make ways for a youngster when he knows he is ready to take his spot. Thats how successful clubs do it and I'd like to think that we are one.

Not even the great Brisbane Lions of 2000s had a side made up of 22 champion players. They also needed to have those 2nd tier or fringe players as you call them to complement the champions. Our champions are old and we are introducing kids in hope of uncovering players to replace those champions but thats not enough so lets just pick players 25 and under.

Sellar, Mackay and Tippett shouldn't see much gametime, if any, this year. However, Griffen, Knights, VB, Douglas, Pfeiffer, Hinge, Maric, Porp and Meesen should be given gametime as much as possible. If it is at the expense of a Bode, Doughty, Welsh, Perrie, Massie and even Shirls etc type then so be it.

 

[RoosterLad]

Always pick your best available side until it's mathematically impossible to make the finals, then maybe give some kids a go. Don't play young lads for the sake of it, especially after one ****ing game. **** some people on here are ridiculous at times, it's embarrassing.

 

[macca23]

Here's another one I penned in a similar vein espousing the virtues of the effectiveness of our multipronged forward setup at the time. Individually they were servicable, but together they were extremely damaging.

Perrie, in his role as hit-up packbuster fulfilled his role brilliantly. Alone (and with his last 12 months cruelled by injury) he is nowhere near as effective, but that doesn't mean he can't play under the right circumstances as evidenced by his and the team's numbers.

Welsh, Perrie, McGregor, Hentschel = Jones, Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard

Yeah, but you're fking up the whole arguments with facts DT.

Just stick to the crap please in future.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Always pick your best available side until it's mathematically impossible to make the finals, then maybe give some kids a go. Don't play young lads for the sake of it, especially after one ****ing game. **** some people on here are ridiculous at times, it's embarrassing.

Whose saying playing the kids for the sake of it you idiot. I'm not saying that. I'm saying the next two years should be used to develop the kids as much as we possibly can. IMO there are two paths we can follow. We start giving the kids more gametime with a view to building our next premiership side. Or we can keep playing our best 22 which includes the players I mentioned ( Perrie, Welsh, Bode etc )and ultimately fall short year after year.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Yeah, but you're fking up the whole arguments with facts DT.

Just stick to the crap please in future.

One key point this argument fails to mention though, the loss of Trent H in that structure and yes as a whole they were extremely dmaaging, but still not good enough to win us a premiership.

 

[Crow-mo]

One key point this argument fails to mention though, the loss of Trent H in that structure and yes as a whole they were extremely dmaaging, but still not good enough to win us a premiership.

ok, are you saying your perceived shortcomings of the forward line were the reasons we fell short the last 2 years?

because from my standpoint, I saw nothing 'personnel' wise that indicated we were short the cattle to get it done.

injuries ****ed us, and perhaps we lacked that ounce of luck, any team needs.

 

[Dagless]

I don’t know what to say that I haven’t already said.

However there is no doubt we will hear the same excuses again. “He’s not a natural footballer! He just needs time”. The bloke is HOPELESS, complete and utterly HOEPLESS.

I cannot comprehend why he even on our list let alone in our starting 18. As a caller on FiveAA said, what’s the point even if he does take a mark 20 metres out, he won’t kick the goal.

LOL albeit the fact that when the General has a good game, everone jumps on the bandwagon???? Burton was the same a few years ago

When they are bad, they can be truly horrendous, but You need some sort of experience up there with so many injuries.

 

[Dagless]

Always pick your best available side until it's mathematically impossible to make the finals, then maybe give some kids a go. Don't play young lads for the sake of it, especially after one ****ing game. **** some people on here are ridiculous at times, it's embarrassing.

What he said

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

ok, are you saying your perceived shortcomings of the forward line were the reasons we fell short the last 2 years?

because from my standpoint, I saw nothing 'personnel' wise that indicated we were short the cattle to get it done.

injuries ****ed us, and perhaps we lacked that ounce of luck, any team needs.

2006, yes.

 

[Crow-mo]

2006, yes.

but we were seriously hit by player outs in 2006?

 

[Southerntakeover]

but we were seriously hit by player outs in 2006?

You could probably argue that key players being unavailable for the Saints final in 05 was fairly significant too.