Ibbottson's position

[malpaso]

I think this guy's talents are wasted being played in a defensive role.

He should be allowed to play on the wing, I believe he's too stressed about the defensive side of things to play his natural game.

 

[greenred]

Probably why he's there. Never heard of getting a young player to learn the ropes at half-back? He needs to learn that he has to be accountable for his opponent and right now, he is failing badly with the defensive side of his game.

 

[sumavich]

I agree !! But last week Pav should've played forward, and he did today !!
Now that worked well !!

We all looked bad when the opposition beats us by 10 & 6 goals respectively !! Are we there yet ?? The bottom that is !!

 

[Bradesmaen]

Probably why he's there. Never heard of getting a young player to learn the ropes at half-back? He needs to learn that he has to be accountable for his opponent and right now, he is failing badly with the defensive side of his game.

I could understand it if he played on someone his own size, but McPhee is a fair bit bigger than him. He didn't do too bad, but looked a little lost. It is alright to teach him, but it seems to be a bit at the detriment of the team because we lack another pacey midfielder that can break lines until Hill learns the ropes.

 

[malpaso]

I could understand it if he played on someone his own size, but McPhee is a fair bit bigger than him. He didn't do too bad, but looked a little lost. It is alright to teach him, but it seems to be a bit at the detriment of the team because we lack another pacey midfielder that can break lines until Hill learns the ropes.

Exactly.

 

[greenred]

I could understand it if he played on someone his own size, but McPhee is a fair bit bigger than him. He didn't do too bad, but looked a little lost. It is alright to teach him, but it seems to be a bit at the detriment of the team because we lack another pacey midfielder that can break lines until Hill learns the ropes.

Size difference is irrelevant if you aren't even going to bother to get within 5 metres of your opponent.

Rebuilding is about sometimes doing things for the longer term good rather than a quick fix. I think most here understand that, but don't seem to have the patience to watch it.

 

[legitimatic]

Size difference is irrelevant if you aren't even going to bother to get within 5 metres of your opponent.

Rebuilding is about sometimes doing things for the longer term good rather than a quick fix. I think most here understand that, but don't seem to have the patience to watch it.

Ibbotson is best suited to a wing, he is an attacking player with silky skills and a good motor, it just makes sense to play him there, not give him a negating job on a crap matchup.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Size difference is irrelevant if you aren't even going to bother to get within 5 metres of your opponent.

Rebuilding is about sometimes doing things for the longer term good rather than a quick fix. I think most here understand that, but don't seem to have the patience to watch it.

Thats what I mean by looking lost.

I realise we are rebuilding, but surely we can use someone else on the list to turn into a defender.. If you want to put Ibbotson in a half back McLeod role.. use him on Lovett or Monfries etc, someone he can run off of. Put a real defender like Broughton when he's in the team on McPhee.

 

[greenred]

Thats what I mean by looking lost.

Not being able to get within 5m of your opponent? That's not lost, that's lazy.

I realise we are rebuilding, but surely we can use someone else on the list to turn into a defender.. If you want to put Ibbotson in a half back McLeod role.. use him on Lovett or Monfries etc, someone he can run off of. Put a real defender like Broughton when he's in the team on McPhee.

I don't think he should be turned into a defender, but clearly his defensive game is lacking. If he can learn when to watch his man and when he can run off by spending a month or a season across half-back (where he should still have ample opportunity to utilise his skills and running) he will be a much better midfielder when he moves there full-time.

 

[Rabbitoh]

I think this guy's talents are wasted being played in a defensive role.

He should be allowed to play on the wing, I believe he's too stressed about the defensive side of things to play his natural game.

Talents been wasted in wrong positions:
Pavlich
Tarrant
Crowley
Ibbo
McPharlin
Johnson- probably should be playing WAFL
....to name afew. Wake up Harvey!!!!

 

[Bradesmaen]

Not being able to get within 5m of your opponent? That's not lost, that's lazy.



I don't think he should be turned into a defender, but clearly his defensive game is lacking. If he can learn when to watch his man and when he can run off by spending a month or a season across half-back (where he should still have ample opportunity to utilise his skills and running) he will be a much better midfielder when he moves there full-time.

Half and half. Sometimes its laziness, sometimes it is being lost in the wrong position, part of the learning process as you put it.

Very true and it would be good, and while i know we are rebuilding, it is the old conundrum - suffer badly for a year while we build Ibbotson into a defender, or suffer not so badly for a couple of years... its a tough decision and I wouldn't want to be the coach that makes it.

 

[raffrox]

I could understand it if he played on someone his own size, but McPhee is a fair bit bigger than him. He didn't do too bad, but looked a little lost. It is alright to teach him, but it seems to be a bit at the detriment of the team because we lack another pacey midfielder that can break lines until Hill learns the ropes.

We just don't have the cattle at the moment.

Ibbo should be on the wing though.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

All of this sounds awfully complicated.

If Ibbo wants a game at AFL level then he needs to put up a contest no matter what position he plays in. He is as soft as fu*@kin' custard. He runs around looking like he is waiting for his mother to come and do the hard yards.

Forget his position. Watch how he plays, and he's a long way from AFL standard.

 

[Belnakor]

All of this sounds awfully complicated.

If Ibbo wants a game at AFL level then he needs to put up a contest no matter what position he plays in. He is as soft as fu*@kin' custard. He runs around looking like he is waiting for his mother to come and do the hard yards.

Forget his position. Watch how he plays, and he's a long way from AFL standard.

I agree.

Ibbo has a good kick, and shows the odd flash of brilliance.

But he has no heart, dogs challenges and consistently fails to shepherd. I would have him in the 2s if we had someone to replace him with.

"Ibbo playing in the wrong position" sounds awfully like "Murphy doesn't have any confidence because Tarrant was bought into the side 3 years ago". Its bullshit. These guys need to learn they are being paid good money to go out there and do their ****ing job. Not to be weak as piss.

 

[Nodgey]

Some one of Ibbo's skill level, class and (alleged) application should be played forward of centre.

I fear we are going to ruin him (or at least set him back a few years) by continually playing him in the wrong position - just like we did with Schammer in the back half, Medders with his bulk and (dare I say it) Pav in the midfield.

 

[malpaso]

All of this sounds awfully complicated.

If Ibbo wants a game at AFL level then he needs to put up a contest no matter what position he plays in. He is as soft as fu*@kin' custard. He runs around looking like he is waiting for his mother to come and do the hard yards.

Forget his position. Watch how he plays, and he's a long way from AFL standard.

Totally agree however he was not playing like that last year. He was running through the lines and attacking opposition players in the middle.

I think he just panics and is taken out of his natural game. He might be a Dal Santo clone and we have to wait 6-7 years for him to grow some balls.

 

[Ysaye]

Totally agree however he was not playing like that last year. He was running through the lines and attacking opposition players in the middle.

I think he just panics and is taken out of his natural game. He might be a Dal Santo clone and we have to wait 6-7 years for him to grow some balls.

There are two things here.

There are flaws in Ibbotson's game that need to be ironed out / improved. These might include defensive problems. If he falls below a certain level then yes he should spend time in the twos...

BUT

He should be playing in his most dangerous / best position! - IE in the midfield. You can play man on man footy in the middle just as much as you can play man on man on the HBF. And if he is going to be a midfielder in the future at least let him gain experience in that position.

 

[greenred]

There are two things here.

There are flaws in Ibbotson's game that need to be ironed out / improved. These might include defensive problems. If he falls below a certain level then yes he should spend time in the twos...

BUT

He should be playing in his most dangerous / best position! - IE in the midfield. You can play man on man footy in the middle just as much as you can play man on man on the HBF. And if he is going to be a midfielder in the future at least let him gain experience in that position.

Hayden's absence has left a gap in the Fremantle backline that Ibbotson could have filled. As Dr Dagg has stated, it's a team game, his best, position might well be in the middle/wing, but if the team requires his skills across half-back, he needs to try and take that step up, particularly when he is surrounded by the likes of Duffield, Thornton and Head. I'd like to see Harvey persist with him there when Hayden returns. He will be a better player for it.

 

[Sman-21]

He played back there all last year an did a great job an was always willing to put his body on the line.

This year he doesnt seem to be doing it.
Could be yet another case of once they feel confifent in there position they jump into the passengers queue with the rest of them.

I also feel Palmer isnt going in as hard but that may be due more to his position change as hes not normally in the middle to get those hard ball gets, hes on the wings.

 

[silverscope]

Palmer: Could also be the fact that our #1 extractor Hase is back and Palmer isn't needed as our #1 in and under and may take a couple of games to get used to having someone as skilled as himself through the middle

 

[L_J_T]

Just another player who will get ****ed by shit coaching. His best role is a half forward flanker/wingman. I reckon as long as he is doing that defensive crap role he is just another waste of talent...can kick a ball on the tit of a player from 40 out...thats a good skill. Attack or die thats the ultimatum.

 

[Stronzo]

Palmer: Could also be the fact that our #1 extractor Hase is back and Palmer isn't needed as our #1 in and under and may take a couple of games to get used to having someone as skilled as himself through the middle

When those two start gelling, with Ibbo recieving outside it could be a decent combination.

I agree with Ibbo being played out of position, but if managed correctly it could make him a more rounded player. I've liked what I've seen of Harvey's player development so far, so I trust that this will be a good move long term.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

The flaw in the Ibbo forward theory is this: to run through the lines you need to start at half back. He is fantastic build for a half back.

Add to that that it is easier to play in defence than forward and you get the kids might have another year or two to get his act together.

ATEOD, he can't win his own ball or his opponent wins way more than he does. So yeah he looks fantastic with the ball in his hands but that is about 0.01% of an AFL game. 99% of the game is what you do when you don't have the ball.

He was like this the last two seasons at East Freo and he's still like it. Even when the sharks played him forward he would drift in and out of games.

 

[Alfonz]

Luke Hodge doesn't think Ibbo is too soft. Hardness is there in Ibbotson ... but there is a responsibility on the football department to bring this out. That's what they are paid for. And they need to be on the guard from the very start of a career.

If for some reason Ibbo starts displaying bad habits, sure its partly his fault, but the coaches need to fix it. Because you can guarantee if Ibbo was playing for Adelaide or Sydney or whoever, he would be going into every contest like he did against Hodge.

Ibbotson should start in the centre square in my opinion. Be identified as a go to player. You might be surprised what happens if you show some faith in the young players and don't make them bit-part players that make them feel like some bottom-rung element of the team.

 

[greenred]

Luke Hodge doesn't think Ibbo is too soft. Hardness is there in Ibbotson ... but there is a responsibility on the football department to bring this out. That's what they are paid for. And they need to be on the guard from the very start of a career.

If for some reason Ibbo starts displaying bad habits, sure its partly his fault, but the coaches need to fix it. Because you can guarantee if Ibbo was playing for Adelaide or Sydney or whoever, he would be going into every contest like he did against Hodge.

Ibbotson should start in the centre square in my opinion. Be identified as a go to player. You might be surprised what happens if you show some faith in the young players and don't make them bit-part players that make them feel like some bottom-rung element of the team.

How is giving him a role that is integral to the team (ie currently Hayden's role) not showing faith in him? At the moment, it's misplaced faith because he is letting the coaches and himself down horribly.