[ICC Cricket World Cup 2003] - Australia vs England
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AUSTRALIA WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WOOHOO, one of the best, listening to Tony Greig when we lost our 8th wicket makes wins like these more satisfying. Bevan has done this so many times, he has too be the best one day player we have ever had.
Today we were talking and a mate said Bevan is too slow and has to go and my other mate turned around and said he's the best in the world and should be the last player dropped, good timing anyway.
I always thought we were going to win in the last ten overs as we always had Mcgrath waiting in the pavillion and with a Number 11 back up like Glenn u are always going to think a loss is out of the question under these circumstances.
Amazing win but we should not get to ahead of ourselves, it was only England.
Today we were talking and a mate said Bevan is too slow and has to go and my other mate turned around and said he's the best in the world and should be the last player dropped, good timing anyway.
I always thought we were going to win in the last ten overs as we always had Mcgrath waiting in the pavillion and with a Number 11 back up like Glenn u are always going to think a loss is out of the question under these circumstances.
Amazing win but we should not get to ahead of ourselves, it was only England.
andy B i am going to buy you and bevan a beer. well done boys. i think that you have successfully broken nassars confidence. england will never win a game against us while he captains.
As great an innings as this was by Bevan (the perfect situation for him) Bichels contribution should not be underestimated. He came in and virtually straight away summed up the pace of the wicket, something Symonds, Hogg, Ponting and even Bevan himself when he first came to the wicket could not do, this is 2nd time bichel has guided Aus to an improbable victory in the last 12 months with Bevan. I think its time Australia seriously looked at playing the 4 quicks with Hogg, Bichel, Lee and Gillespie at is not the worst 8,9,10 in the world and by playing the 4 quicks of that calibre you wouldnt be chasing too manyand you would probably only need 220 in most games to win. The problem is who misses out, harshly probably either Symonds or Martyn depending on the conditions.
Symonds. He is not an all rounder... can't bowl for peanuts. I know he's batting great in this series and is in good form but Martyn is far more consistant. Martyn hasn't been that great recently but he is a class player and will come through.
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Agree.
But you watch, Bichel will be dropped again while they persist with the run machine Lee. Another spell of garbage from him.
Symonds also showed his century in the 1st game was a fluke and his bowling is just not up to international level.
Lucky escape, but you need luck to win titles.
A bit harsh on Lee, I am not a big fan of his but its probably the only bad game he has had in a while. I personally as I have stated before would have the 4 quicks with Hogg as the spinner. Symonds to be the unlucky man to miss out
Here we go, the baton has been passed from Bevan to Lee... for now, typical Australian tall poppy syndrome, no matter how well we are playing we still need someone to bag.
Judging on your past record of selection blunders I would suggest that you should leave well alone from telling us all who you think should be in the side and who shouldn't, it will save you the embarrasment.
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Symonds has failed, again after 1 decent innings. The Namibia game doesn't count due to the poor opposition.
Bevan made 74 and gets the plaudits from Bichel, whose innings was arguably the more valuable.
Harvey has performed well in both games. He should have been given more games.
Oh, for Lee, let's see, his figures after today's game read....
6 games, 50 overs, 2mdns, 278 runs, 6 wickets at 46.33, best 3-36 - - Strike rate 50.0, economy rate 5.56.
If they are impressive figures then I don't know cricket.
What other 'blunders' have I made?
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Here we go. Brett Lee has been a main strike bowler this year, he has taken the most wickets out of all our bowlers since the new year. Didn't you watch the CUB series??? And also if u are going to use the Namibia game as an excuse for Symonds good knock u should also use discount Lees high economy rate from that game, u have proved once again u have a short memory.
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You clueless fool.
OK, let's discount Lee's game against Namibia.
5 games, 44overs, 252 runs, 5 wickets, average of 50.4, strike rate of 52.8 and an economy rate of 5.72.
His figures are even worse than before. On current form he doesn't deserve to be ahead of Bichel.
Lee scares the opposition batsman (whether you like it or not) which plays a part in the other bowlers getting wickets. They lose their footwork and keep their feet planted which helps the bowler down the other end. Not only that, but Lee has had a few dropped catches off his bowling and also has had heaps and heaps of 4's fly over slips. He adds pace and fear to our side and is an automatic selection. His control has been very good also. Of course he is going to have a high economy rate because the batter basically only needs bat on ball to score.
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Clueless fool???
From the same person who came up with the solution that we would of won easily if it wasn't for Bevans innings that put us in a cutthroat situation. . .
And on Lee I guess u will be bagging Bichel the same in 6 games time if he has similar figures to Lee's past 6 games.
Whinge whinge whinge u old deprived man.
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Bichel wont have the same figures. He is a far more tighter bowler. Face it, Bichel wont have those figures because he wont be in the side. It's as simple as that.
I never said we'd have won easily, but it wouldn't have been so close as it panned out.
Deprived? Yeah, deprived of sleep. Something I'm going to get now and by the tone of your posts, something you need aswell.
Goodnight.
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Yeah, agree with most of that. But Lee still has to many wayward deliveries that result in either byes, no-balls or boundaries.
His control has improved, I agree there.
But on current form Bichel deserves to be ahead of Lee, IMO.
We already have 2 spinners, Hogg and Lehmann
Hauritz will not play as a 2nd spinner unless Hogg gets injured. Lehmann is in much better bowling form at the moment and if a 2nd spinner is required he will be it. I personally would have liked to have seen Brad Williams chosen as the replacment but apparently according to rules they had to chose a spinner.
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gladly eats humble pie regarding bevan.
with andy,s great spell he deserves to play in the next match.
if gillespie is fit who should be dropped?
andy,s form maybe a blessing in disguise.now the selectors would feel more confident in playing 4 specialist bowlers instead of the 3 and symonds.
symonds is clearly not up to international standard when it comes to bowling.granted he made a great 100 however there is still ? marks about him.
i say its out of either symonds or hogg.
cheers!
with andy,s great spell he deserves to play in the next match.
if gillespie is fit who should be dropped?
andy,s form maybe a blessing in disguise.now the selectors would feel more confident in playing 4 specialist bowlers instead of the 3 and symonds.
symonds is clearly not up to international standard when it comes to bowling.granted he made a great 100 however there is still ? marks about him.
i say its out of either symonds or hogg.
cheers!
Does anyone know how the fixturing works for the super six? I think the next opponent will play some part in determining who gets dropped and recalled for the next game.
Lee's spot will be shaky with Bichel's great all-round performance, although the selectors may opt to rest Gillespie for one more game, and let the Bichel/Lee selection issue sort itself out more decisively.
Lee's spot will be shaky with Bichel's great all-round performance, although the selectors may opt to rest Gillespie for one more game, and let the Bichel/Lee selection issue sort itself out more decisively.
Using your logic Harvey's second game doesn't count due to the poor opposition. Took three wickets but got carted for six an over anyhow (as the Dutch were bundled out for 122).
In his first game he also got belted for more than six an over (more expensive than Lee).
So in this thread alone you've had a go at Lee, Bevan and Symonds... who exactly do you want in the side... 11 Ian Harveys?
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