If Barnes Played anywhere else, would he be as half as good as he was last year??

[QT]

I think Any reject that plays for essendon stands out because they have good players around them. If Barnes played for Freo for example, hed propably be hanging on by a string to stay on their list.

Well thats my opinion....

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[Darky]

Yes what a dud in comparison to stars such as Biglands and Marsh

 

[QT]

Originally posted by Darky:
Yes what a dud in comparison to stars such as Biglands and Marsh

yeah Barnes is a dud, since he got delisted from a team like GEELONG!

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[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by QT:
I think Any reject that plays for essendon stands out because they have good players around them. If Barnes played for Freo for example, hed propably be hanging on by a string to stay on their list.

Well thats my opinion....

Did someone say freo..........?

You mean around one of the strongest mid fields in the competion, that he would struggle?
Sure he would!!!!!!

Your an adelaide supporter right.
I hardly think you can comment

 

[QT]

By the way im not trying to start any arguments here..........


But i dont think Bell will ake that much of a difference, but you have promise in yor midfield, you have no way the best midfield

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[Dan26]

This is a dumb topic. It doesn't really matter what players Barnes has around him. the fact is he played great football himself and he was one of Essendons best performed players. He did this because HE played well, not because he had good players around him.

If I started playing for Essendon, I wouldn't ALL OF A SUDDEN, become a champion just because I've got great players around me. I'd be shit compared to them. You have to play well yourself to hold your place in the team. Barnes is a quality player.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by QT:
By the way im not trying to start any arguments here..........


But i dont think Bell will ake that much of a difference, but you have promise in yor midfield, you have no way the best midfield

Do you consider Melbournes mid field quality?
Cause we carved them up
The combination of Cook,Haselby,Walker,Bell,Fletcher and Black is better than most teams can put forward

 

[QT]

And yous still got thumped. Im not saying Freo are a bad team, just saying that they have a super midfield is a bit premature.

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[Joel]

Exactly right QT! When did Fremantle prove to have a "super" midfield? They "might" look good on paper, but I can't seem to remember them beating teams week in week out last year or the year before or the year before for that matter. When they prove against QUALITY opposition that they have a "super" midfield, only then will I agree with you.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Joel:
Exactly right QT! When did Fremantle prove to have a "super" midfield? They "might" look good on paper, but I can't seem to remember them beating teams week in week out last year or the year before or the year before for that matter. When they prove against QUALITY opposition that they have a "super" midfield, only then will I agree with you.

?????
What more proof do you want
They beat the highly regard demons mid field
Just have a look at the stats.
That suggests they are up there with the best.

 

[QT]

SABRE, Stas dont mean a thing, the point is that yous lost, and yous lost badly.

However, i think freo wil be up there for a finals ebrth this year, its either this year, or 20 years. Freo is the only team not to make the finals

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[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by QT:
SABRE, Stas dont mean a thing, the point is that yous lost, and yous lost badly.

However, i think freo wil be up there for a finals ebrth this year, its either this year, or 20 years. Freo is the only team not to make the finals

Yeah they do
If not how do you judge a player?
triple another teams center clearances suggests something

 

[QT]

Does this mean you have no one up forward?

I thuoght Modra, Waterhouse would do a good job.....

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[Redd]

barnes played like shit at the bummers, then moved to geelong and played worse. BUT last year he played well. I believe that he was one of their main contributors. maybe just a bit of maturity.. it's not like he farts on planes or anything

 

[sandie]

CUTEE
I have to agree with Dan, if Barnes wasn't playing well he would have been dropped. Last year was the best I have ever seen him play, just hope he continues on this year.

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[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by QT:
Does this mean you have no one up forward?

I thuoght Modra, Waterhouse would do a good job.....

God Tell me your not refering to this

Originally posted by sabre_ac:
Do you consider Melbournes mid field quality?
Cause we carved them up
The combination of Cook,Haselby,Walker,Bell,Fletcher and Black is better than most teams can put forward

Tell me you didnt read that "Forward" as in forward line.
Cause if you did, you definitely take this weeks idiot award.

 

[Catman]

Barnesy obviously was in form last year. The standard was relatively high all year at Essendon and for him to keep his spot, was evidence that he was number one ruck. As for you to say that he would be struggling to stay with Freo QT, what are you smoking?

 

[RogerC]

I'm not buying into this debate, but isn't it amazing how many great teams recently have dominated without great ruckmen? I'm thinking of the North teams of 99 and 96 (I think their mainstay would have been McKernan, with help from Burton/Capuano), West Coast circa 92 and 94 (Harding), and Hawthorn in the mid to late 80's (Dear/Lawrence). I've probably forgotten someone, for which I apologise in advance, but at any rate I'm certain all these teams succeeded due primarily to the stars in midfield and in key positions.

Which brings me to Barnes. I think his efforts at Geelong have been underestimated, notwithstanding the fact that he isn't required there any longer. Ablett strode like a colossus over their entire recent history, which tends to cloud the memory of Brownless and Barnes. I don't think Barnes worked any harder, or with more personal success, at Essendon last year, but with receivers like Misiti, Mercuri, Hird, and co, not only would his performance have looked better, but his confidence would have risen proportionally. And Barnes is most definitely a confidence player.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that the Essendon experience has rejuvenated his career. Although where exactly his 2001 prospects stand with them right now is a secret known only to Kevin Sheedy.

But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure the Essendon posters have a far clearer view than me.

 

[ah_19]

freo does have a "potentially" good/awesome midfield, they just need a ruckman, last year when michael was winning the ruck contests freo were winning every game, but he only played about 5 games like that before being injured yet again. And they have also beaten the melbourne midfeild when clem michael was winning the ruck, if you look back over the last few years you will find that freo has beaten the demons surprisingly, because in a battle of midfeield vs midfield with equal ruck taps freo usually wins, its just that the rest of thier team isnt so good...

 

[The Dutchman!]

Good post roger.

That said the post about non-dominant ruck teams winning flags recently is certainly true. Barnes is a good mobile player and was (give or take some attitude probs) with the catters. But he is no Simon Madden, Matt Allen or Jeff White.

As to the midfield debate, I respect Freo, Carlton, Melbourne's and to a lesser extent Sydney's. Others could be better if things just came together with injuries/ form etc (eg: Haw, Sainters, WCE or Bris).

But personally I think our midfield is right up there - Hird (when he plays there) is fairly unbeatable in the middle, Mercuri, Jason Johnston, Smokin Joe Misiti, Heffernan and Long - with new blood in McGrath, Ramanauskas and Jacobs - lets just say I think we are competitive in skill, speed, judgement and strength. The weakness is perhaps Barnes/ Hille/ Alessio - but it worked ok last time round.

That said, I can imagine how good Freo would be if they'd retained White.

 

[TD]

Barnes was playing good footy because he can play good footy.

I have one question for you, did you think that Peter Somerville was a good player? Surely with the players around him (largely the same players to last year) he must have looked like a champion!

[This message has been edited by TD (edited 21 February 2001).]

 

[BUBBALOUIS]

Gotta agree with DAN24 on this one QT, Barnes was playing for his footballing life last year, saw a huge opportunity to be part of a premiership side and played his best football in years. I also think its unfair to say he was shit at Geelong, i remember him having more than one good season, he was starved for opportunity in the ruck with the emergence of King and probably lost some motivation, but he was more than servicable for the Cats. As for Freo's midfield LOL, what has Freo achieved so far with this much vaunted midfield? Surely they must prove themselves week in, week out. The reason Melbournes midfield was so highly regarded last season is because they were consistently winning them games. 'Till Freemantle midfielders contribute in this fashion theyll just be potential. By the way i have alot of time for Fletcher, but on one hand we bag Barnes as a reject and on the other we state Fletcher is part of a sensational midfield, how many clubs has he been delisted from?

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by BUBBALOUIS:
, but on one hand we bag Barnes as a reject and on the other we state Fletcher is part of a sensational midfield, how many clubs has he been delisted from?

No we dont bad Barnes on being delisted.Only a select few have.He was delisted in my opinion because it was believed his time was up.Not because of lack of skill nor ability to play the game.Fletcher on the other hand I believe never was delisted only traded.Then again i could be wrong on this one.

Either was both are champions in there own right.Wether that be now or in the past.