Analysis If Dustin Martin wins a 4th Norm Smith medal and premiership will he be regarded as the greatest player of all time?

If Dustin Martin wins a 4th Norm Smith medal and premiership will he be regarded as the greatest pla


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I wouldn’t have been quite so harsh, but it’s a reasonable point.

In fact, Geelong won a flag after GAJ left the club …. twice!

And not only did GAJ take the money and run to GC. He then signed a very lucrative extension with them and wanted to exit early from that contract also … which after multiple attempts he did.

Gazza was an unbelievably good footballer. But Gaz was in it for Gaz, just like his old man. Their track record off and on the field show them to be less than ideal team players.

And let’s be clear, I’m talking about GAJ’s track record relenting to football, not his personal life. He might be a great person and great mate, I’ve got no idea.

Just goes to show how great of a team we did have 07-11. It's why that same team would beat Richmond. As good as what Rance was for Richmond, Ablett was the best player in the game and at the peak of his powers in 2010.

Just on the whole money thing, you do realize Ablett was offered a similar amount of coin as what Dustin Martin got offered from Sydney?
We are talking 13 years ago so with inflation, if Martin was offered 1.6 million . . . he's packed his bags and gone.
 

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Just goes to show how great of a team we did have 07-11. It's why that same team would beat Richmond. As good as what Rance was for Richmond, Ablett was the best player in the game and at the peak of his powers in 2010.

Just on the whole money thing, you do realize Ablett was offered a similar amount of coin as what Dustin Martin got offered from Sydney?
We are talking 13 years ago so with inflation, if Martin was offered 1.6 million . . . he's packed his bags and gone.
They forget too that Bomber was purposely treating GAJ like s**t in an effort to get him gone.
 

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Just goes to show how great of a team we did have 07-11. It's why that same team would beat Richmond. As good as what Rance was for Richmond, Ablett was the best player in the game and at the peak of his powers in 2010.

Just on the whole money thing, you do realize Ablett was offered a similar amount of coin as what Dustin Martin got offered from Sydney?
We are talking 13 years ago so with inflation, if Martin was offered 1.6 million . . . he's packed his bags and gone.

um it was gws, and um no, Martin is loyal and stayed, ablett was a mercenary and left
 

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Just goes to show how great of a team we did have 07-11. It's why that same team would beat Richmond. As good as what Rance was for Richmond, Ablett was the best player in the game and at the peak of his powers in 2010.

Just on the whole money thing, you do realize Ablett was offered a similar amount of coin as what Dustin Martin got offered from Sydney?
We are talking 13 years ago so with inflation, if Martin was offered 1.6 million . . . he's packed his bags and gone.

Martin was offered $1.4m over 7-years to go to Norf. He was close to going but ultimately chose his mates and loyalty over the cash, sacrificing $2m or so to remaIn. Gaz would have earned more than enough at Geelong to set him up for life 5x over….. but he chose the cash.

He then played in front of tiny crowds, didn’t play a final for 7-years, had no mates at the club, was a poor captain etc…..a brilliant player, but he lost his chance to be a 350-game Geelong player with perhaps 4-5 x flags.

And after tax, the extra cash he earned wouldn’t have been that massive anyway compared to what he could have earned as a Geelong hero.

It’s actually a bit of a shame, just as it would have been if Dusty left and probably finished with 1 flag, 1 NS and all the extra he had to show was 5 x Norf B&F’s and some extra AA’s being the superstar in a crud team.


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Martin was offered $1.4m over 7-years to go to Norf. He was close to going but ultimately chose his mates and loyalty over the cash, sacrificing $2m or so to remaIn. Gaz would have earned more than enough at Geelong to set him up for life 5x over….. but he chose the cash.

He then played in front of tiny crowds, didn’t play a final for 7-years, had no mates at the club, was a poor captain etc…..a brilliant player, but he lost his chance to be a 350-game Geelong player with perhaps 4-5 x flags.

And after tax, the extra cash he earned wouldn’t have been that massive anyway compared to what he could have earned as a Geelong hero.

It’s actually a bit of a shame, just as it would have been if Dusty left and probably finished with 1 flag, 1 NS and all the extra he had to show was 5 x Norf B&F’s and some extra AA’s being the superstar in a crud team.


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You conveniently overlook that the AFL orchestrated the GAJ move, every aspect of it. The AFL wanted the leagues No.1 marquee player at GC.

Cats could not match what was offered but could have gone close, but that would most likely have seen players like Bartel headhunted elsewhere
 

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You conveniently overlook that the AFL orchestrated the GAJ move, every aspect of it. The AFL wanted the leagues No.1 marquee player at GC.

Cats could not match what was offered but could have gone close, but that would most likely have seen players like Bartel headhunted elsewhere
GAJ got paid nearly twice as much to go to Gold Coast than what he would have received by staying at Geelong. The Cats were never going to compete with the offer as they have been the best team to manage their salary cap and understand you can't overpay a small group of players at the expense of the playing list.

Collingwood have learnt this the hard way, Carlton will learn this over the next handful of years, and I fear for Melbourne longer term (though with a flag already in their back pocket and likely serious contenders in the short term it is justified).
 
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So you can say 2007-2014 in that 8 year period isolated, Ablett is the best player in the AFL over the whole period rather than in each individual year, not in the conversation any other time.

It is not saying much that elevates him above Martin because you could as easily say Martin 2013-2020 is the best performed player in that 8 year period without question, though not the best player in every individual season. Where Ablett has done more of something for longer Martin has done more of something else for longer. But the way they are easily separated is finals output. Ablett despite your fantastic claims to the contrary is not considered to be anywhere near Martin on that score. Which is one of the tests you used to try to differentiate Ablett from Martin that he was “considered” the best player in the AFL leading into xyz amount of seasons. I will later watch Ablett’s finals in his prime and give an honest appraisal v Martin’s prime finals with which I am more familiar. But statistically and for impact and acclaim, Martin is starting from a position of being way ahead on that score. Bar your ratings, which says it all really.
Stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself.
 

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You conveniently overlook that the AFL orchestrated the GAJ move, every aspect of it. The AFL wanted the leagues No.1 marquee player at GC.

Cats could not match what was offered but could have gone close, but that would most likely have seen players like Bartel headhunted elsewhere

Nobody held a Winchester to his head and made him go, he decided to. And then he decided to return as soon as it wouldn’t hurt him financially. You can’t be too critical of a player wanting to max his financial returns, but you have to face facts when that is what a player does and you are comparing him to a payer who didn’t.
 
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But it is completely irrelevant to the ability of a player and his ranking as a great. Plenty of greats have switched clubs, eg., Ian Stewart , Ron Barrassi, Chris Judd, Paddy Dangerfield. Jeremy Cameron, Brent Croswell, Tony Lockett…. So move on

Go back to why it was raised in the thread in the first place. It is relevant to that.
 

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Thanks for trying but you have submitted three players whose 8 years 2013-2020 are demonstrably inferior for impact where it matters most, and barely any better for impact where it matters least.
Ah, so I named three players that were clearly better across that entire period and you’ve reverted to ‘Martin was better in three individual games’ during that timeframe. Which, of course, was not what you asked for. You asked for the entire period.
 

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Sadly for Dustin I think Tim Taranto will spoil this party and have his own Norm come end of the year.
The guys an absolute jet.
 

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The 3 most overrated players I've seen..

1. Cyril Rioli

2. Dane Swan

3. Dustin Martin


The last two have something in common.
Did you run that past your mate who’s an afl umpire?
Or your family members who play in the afl?

Or is it that you’ve trained yourself in observing players you think
don’t deserve the appreciation they’ve received?
 

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Nobody held a Winchester to his head and made him go, he decided to. And then he decided to return as soon as it wouldn’t hurt him financially. You can’t be too critical of a player wanting to max his financial returns, but you have to face facts when that is what a player does and you are comparing him to a payer who didn’t.
What I don't like about your postings is that you think it is OK for you to shitcan a player but if if someone s**t cans Dusty you take offense. Hard to see both sides when you have that sort of attitude .
Gazza and Dusty are on a par for mine, they both are fantastic footballers but neither hold all the cards .
 

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Martin was offered $1.4m over 7-years to go to Norf. He was close to going but ultimately chose his mates and loyalty over the cash, sacrificing $2m or so to remaIn. Gaz would have earned more than enough at Geelong to set him up for life 5x over….. but he chose the cash.

He then played in front of tiny crowds, didn’t play a final for 7-years, had no mates at the club, was a poor captain etc…..a brilliant player, but he lost his chance to be a 350-game Geelong player with perhaps 4-5 x flags.

And after tax, the extra cash he earned wouldn’t have been that massive anyway compared to what he could have earned as a Geelong hero.

It’s actually a bit of a shame, just as it would have been if Dusty left and probably finished with 1 flag, 1 NS and all the extra he had to show was 5 x Norf B&F’s and some extra AA’s being the superstar in a crud team.


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