Yep. SCG, Kardinia Park and winning flags from outside top 4.
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It's amazing that after 22 games and at least 4 teams have performed better, that we struggle to be the best in September
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Yep. SCG, Kardinia Park and winning flags from outside top 4.
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I remember when we won the flag there was an article about Champion Data's 'Eagle problem' because they couldn't figure out how we were successful based on their data models.
Don't know if they have sorted it out since.
Information on how CD do their Player Ratings is here.
Players accrue or lose points every time they are involved in a passage of play. The score awarded to them each time they are in the play is determined by a complex algorithm formulated and refined over a number of years by Champion Data. Players accrue or lose points depending on whether they have a positive or negative impact on a passage of play.A player's rating is determined by aggregating his points tally based on a rolling window of the previous two seasons. For example, after round six of the 2014 season, a player's rating will be based on matches from round seven of the 2012 season onwards. However, only a player's most recent 40 matches are used in the calculation of his rating. This creates a buffer for players missing matches through injury, suspension, omission or by not being involved in finals. A player's most recent 30 matches are given greater weight in determining his rating. Matches 31 through 40 are progressively reduced in weighting, from 100 per cent down to five per cent for the earliest game in the window.
Whereas in this system each player is ranked in their output against seven different algorithms that correlate to the positional types used here: Defender (Playing Tall), Defender (Playing Small), Midfielder (Outside), Midfielder (Onball), Forward (Playing Tall), Forward (Playing Small), Ruckman.
These involve the ranking of the player in respect to the rest of the competition for the following statistics over the past 23 weeks of matches, with the most recent 7 weeks given an additional 20% weighting:
- Defender (Playing Tall): marks, contested marks, intercepts, one-percenters, rebound 50s
- Defender (Playing Small): marks, intercepts, rebound 50s, kicks, metres gained, disposal efficiency
- Midfielder (Outside): kicks, disposals, metres gained, inside 50s, disposal efficiency, score involvements, uncontested possessions, effective disposals
- Midfielder (Onball): contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s, score involvements, tackles, metres gained
- Forward (Playing Tall): goals, marks, contested marks, marks in 50, goal assists, score involvements, tackles in 50
- Forward (Playing Small): goals, goal assists, tackles, tackles in 50, marks in 50
- Ruckmen: hit outs, contested marks, contested possessions, clearances, goal assists, score involvements
Part of creating this system was due to my own frustration with the outcomes from CDs Ratings:
- The aggregate window of 40 matches is too large; it for example results in D.Martin still being in the overall top 5 for their ratings despite playing within himself for the past 18 months now.
- It rewards players for simply attending stoppages, thus overrating ruckmen and onball midfielders - 7 of the overall top 10 are either ruckmen or exclusively inside midfielders.
- As a result other positions are underrated;
- The highest ranked defender is #28 (McGovern)
- The highest ranked forward is #16 (Franklin)
- Outside midfielders are particularly hammered under this; Whitfield #65, S.Ross #73, Gaff #125...
Former Docker Michael Barlow believes West Coast’s weakness in 2020 lies on their wings
Eagles wings their weakness: Barlow
The former Fremantle and Gold Coast midfielder believes West Coast’s ball use off the wings will be their biggest deficiency in 2020.thewest.com.au
I realise we have lost Masto, who was a great user of the footy when given acres of time and space, but I wouldn't say that our wings are a weakness. Jetta often pushes up on the wing to deliver some scything passes. And to say Gaff is not a great ball user? Come on... I realise he has no right boot but on his left he is up there with our best.
On the Hard Ball Gets podcast, one of the journo's mentioned that Nic Nat was absolutely dominating at the lastest intra-club match.
And that Shuey had a mild complaint, but really the Eagles wanted to hold TK/Nic/Shuey back so that they'd further develop chemistry in the middle.
Just one, one largely injury-free season from Naitanui is all I want. If we get it, that fifth flag looks all the more likely. And if we get that flag, with Nic Nat - I'll be good for another decade.
Just saying. Its a weakness.It's amazing that after 22 games and at least 4 teams have performed better, that we struggle to be the best in September
and that's a fair point considering the injuries, however I think you're being a bit delicate. Theres two wing spots. Both have been tied up for 10 years and now we've got a hole on one side.I wouldn't use the term weakness, but going by the latter stages of last season, I'd say our defence has the most question marks heading into 2020.
Agreed. If Nic gets a flag I think it'll hold me over for years.
Over 3 years?Nic, Shep and Gaff to all get flags for mine
The latter one in particular would piss a few people off for an added bonus
If Nic stays injury free for the rest of his career we’ll be celebrating our 10th halfway through the decade.On the Hard Ball Gets podcast, one of the journo's mentioned that Nic Nat was absolutely dominating at the lastest intra-club match.
And that Shuey had a mild complaint, but really the Eagles wanted to hold TK/Nic/Shuey back so that they'd further develop chemistry in the middle.
Just one, one largely injury-free season from Naitanui is all I want. If we get it, that fifth flag looks all the more likely. And if we get that flag, with Nic Nat - I'll be good for another decade.
Over 3 years?
It runs smoother for me compared to the old one?Is this the thread to discuss how crap the AFL site redesign is?
Is this the thread to discuss how crap the AFL site redesign is?
They finally added fixture by team again so I'm ok with it now.
It always had fixture by team whenever I looked??
I heard this bit on 6PR where Lee Spur's "wild prediction" of 2020 was Kelly struggling this year. Sumich agreed due to the extra pressure on him and the fact he's "no champion". The panel (that also included Michael Barlow) all agreed they wouldn't be surprised at all if he bombed..
I dont think he'll "bomb", but he will take a bit to get going with a new structure and gameplan. My money is on him hitting his straps right after the bye.I heard this bit on 6PR where Lee Spur's "wild prediction" of 2020 was Kelly struggling this year. Sumich agreed due to the extra pressure on him and the fact he's "no champion". The panel (that also included Michael Barlow) all agreed they wouldn't be surprised at all if he bombed..
I heard this bit on 6PR where Lee Spur's "wild prediction" of 2020 was Kelly struggling this year. Sumich agreed due to the extra pressure on him and the fact he's "no champion". The panel (that also included Michael Barlow) all agreed they wouldn't be surprised at all if he bombed..
.......they are the "spurned lover". TK rejected their "better" offer.It's more likely that Fyfe may struggle due to the extra pressure on him from Fremantle's midfield exodus.
Kelly on the other hand has never had more support on (and off) field than he has right now.
He'll be given the freedom to play his own game, get ball, kick goals and win games (and votes).
I'd place him as my equal favourite for the Brownlow with D.Martin.
The Freo faithful with little to cheer about are getting salty over West Coast players again before the season has even begun.
If Tim Kelly struggles more due to a hard tag - and that is a fair comment as he never copped one in a midfield with Ablett, Dangerfield and Selwood - then that's good news for us as it means Shuey, Yeo and Gaff either cop their second best tagger or don't get tagged at all.
Sumich and Spurr can make those comments and they may well be right but I'd rather be in our position where we load up for a premiership window with elite players than Freo's where all they have to tout are Aish and Acres to replace two midfielders that finished top 5 in their B+F.
Hi just passing, after chiming in on the women’s game day thread.
I think highly of Kelly, and you have picked up comments made bu Spurr, Barlow & Sumich. They are not players anymore, they are paid for their comments. Love or hate what they say, but they were making comments about Kelly’s impact on the Eagles. It is an interesting question and personally think that it may be half a season before the benefits are seen.
But what the flip has this to with Freo ?. Why bring them into the discussion about comments made by ex footy players, where the discussion was only about Kelly.
Play the ball.
Hi just passing, after chiming in on the women’s game day thread.
I think highly of Kelly, and you have picked up comments made bu Spurr, Barlow & Sumich. They are not players anymore, they are paid for their comments. Love or hate what they say, but they were making comments about Kelly’s impact on the Eagles. It is an interesting question and personally think that it may be half a season before the benefits are seen.
But what the flip has this to with Freo ?. Why bring them into the discussion about comments made by ex footy players, where the discussion was only about Kelly.
Play the ball.