Opinion If Richmond win it this year....

[PhatBoy]

I think that is the key point there, the right person or group of people can intimidate. It is easy for people to tell when the threat of physicality is real and when its provado. Probably an evolutionary trait.

Here is another question....
Essendon 2000 team v Geelong 2007 （or 2008, 2009 if you rate them more） Which team was better ？

With respect to Essendon, if you compare the best Geelong line up to Essendon’s, outside of their forward line I think we hammer them man for man, BUT, their squad just clicked perfectly with everyone playing their role and the product of that was exquisite to watch and they were a bloody good football team.

Our best footy from round 6, 2007 through to round 13 2009 (we lost 3 games in that period) would be good enough to beat them a reasonable amount of times but they were easily good enough to return the favour as well.

 

[Saint]

Geelong's side was better than the tigers current team.

But Brisbane are above Cats, Hawks and Tigers (in that order).

Brisbane should/could have 4-peated except the AFL's deal with the MCG had the Lions play both their Prelim home final Saturday night and Grand Final at the MCG.

Martin/Cotchin are not as good as Ablett/Bartel in finals (it'd be very close) and Geelong backed that up with Selwood, Kelly, Ling and Corey.

Prestia, Edwards, Grigg and Bolton aren't in that category.

Richmond have only finished top 2 once in the last 4 years. Geelong finished top 2 every year from 2007-2011.

 

[Catsnlakers]

What are you basing this on? On paper we easily match that side. Rance was better than Scarlett. Collingwood were declining in 2011 already.

I understand that you would be proud of your clubs last few years, but these comments here are just plain wrong....Our team on paper far outweighs yours, evidenced by the number of all Australian’s....Scarlett over Rance is self explanatory, as there is nothing that Rance could do/had done that Scarlett couldn’t, yet disposal by foot & abilty to attack are clearly things Scarlett did better than Rance....And on the Pies of 2011, they were unbeatable all year from start to finish to everyone bar Geelong, so the drop off comment just doesn’t stack up.

 

[BF Tiger]

3 in 4 is better than 3 in 5, if Richmond win it this year, they are clearly a step ahead of that Geelong period.

Yep, 3/4 is better than 3/5.
Yes, still the same number of cups.
Yes, Geelong were awesome 07-11 and would probably beat this current Richmond side in a “normalised” format.

But the thing is this Richmond side hasn’t been put together to beat Geelong 07-11. It’s been built to be the best side right now - built for 2017-2020 rules, tactics, fitness, salary cap and, importantly, opposition teams.

Geelong 07-11 scored heavily and won by lots, but that doesn’t mean they get a bigger cup, it just means they won by lots and scored heavily. But clearly there were chinks in the armour that stopped them from going B2B/threepeating. They were unable to adapt quick enough to GF day tactics in 2008. For whatever reason they couldn’t get over the line in 2010. This is Richmond 2018.

So if Richmond overcome Port and Brisbane/Geelong in the next two games they have achieved something have not. They’ve achieved the same as Geelong, and in quicker time. So maybe not a “better” side head to head, but definitely a greater side when compared to what each achieved against their relative competition.

 

[kranky al]

Agreed, any season where the GF isn't at the G is just half arsed.

imagine if collingwood had made it

half arsed sidebum

 

[NetworkNerd]

Even if Richmond win it this year, Geelong 2021-2025 will surpass them. With Jeremy Cameron would the cats even lose a game?

 

[Final Siren]

Either team would beat the other depending on the rules/interpretations/fitness levels/etc of the period it was in.

My rules for imagining games between teams from different eras:

1. The ruleset is from the older era.
2. So are the umpires.
3. One week before, the older team & its coaches get to watch one (1) game on TV played by the newer team. Otherwise they are unfamiliar with modern football.

 

[PhatBoy]

My rules for imagining games between teams from different eras:

1. The ruleset is from the older era.
2. So are the umpires.
3. One week before, the older team & its coaches get to watch one (1) game on TV played by the newer team. Otherwise they are unfamiliar with modern football.

Lol I like the theory.

One thing worth noting when comparing eras, in a case like this one - there are still 4 active players in the Geelong team, good ones, who were part of most or all of their era of success. They have all managed to hold their own in the current game. yes they have had time to organically grow into it but they have easily proven they can handle it. Even a guy like Enright only retired the season before Richmond won the first of their flags and he was AA that year. Adapting to new styles of football wouldn't be as difficult as some people are making out.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Geelong comfortably. Maybe besides 07, I think the competition Geelong faced was far superior to the competition Richmond has faced. It's not Richmond's fault, they can only play with what's in front of them.
But on paper, I think Geelong's team is superior and they also proved it against better teams as well.

It's a no brainer for me, Geelong it is.

I dont think we were that bad in 07, knocked em off at KP on the eve of the finals but history shows that just pissed them off and we paid the price on GF day.
Those cats sides were unreal and command respect which makes it a travesty that should Richmond go b2b this year theyll relegate the cats to 4th place on the succesful dynasty ladder of medern era AFL football and no one wants that.

 

[Jibroni]

I dont think the best Richmond team would beat Hawthorn, Brisbane or Geelong in their prime; more similar to the West Coast and Sydney teams of their mid 2000's.

 

[PowerForGood]

I think the intrigue if you were able to match these great teams up is that the Tigers are probably the best at not letting the opposition play the game style they want to.

 

[iameviljez]

Geelong 07-11 scored heavily and won by lots, but that doesn’t mean they get a bigger cup, it just means they won by lots and scored heavily. But clearly there were chinks in the armour that stopped them from going B2B/threepeating. They were unable to adapt quick enough to GF day tactics in 2008. For whatever reason they couldn’t get over the line in 2010. This is Richmond 2018.

Sometimes, it's just luck. Every side has a chink in the armour, and no matter how dominant they are, if there's one way where everything that can go wrong does, then you just lose.

Fingers crossed it's not happening on GF or Prelim day.

 

[biggiemediums]

Honestly you can split hairs subjectively all you want, if Richmond win it this year they’re on level with that Geelong side.

Yes, Geelong probably had more individual guns - definitely more ‘stars’. BUT I think this Richmond squad are awesome. They’re a tough, tight knit bunch who excel during high pressure and are well coached to peak at the right times of the year. At their best they’re insanely enjoyable to watch.

Richmond fans should be stoked.

 

[Wojcinski]

A lot of people like to point out that Hawthorn won flags during an era of comprimised drafts that meant strong teams stayed strong for longer. Richmond managed to build a premiership during that period and has gone on to win 2 flags and maybe a third this year so you have to give credit to how good of an achievement that is. Having said that if we we're to rank individual flag years I don't think either of Richmond's rate in the top 5 over the past two decades.

 

[HTT]

A lot of people like to point out that Hawthorn won flags during an era of comprimised drafts that meant strong teams stayed strong for longer. Richmond managed to build a premiership during that period and has gone on to win 2 flags and maybe a third this year so you have to give credit to how good of an achievement that is. Having said that if we we're to rank individual flag years I don't think either of Richmond's rate in the top 5 over the past two decades.

If we win it this year I think it would have to be up there
Same applies if Geelong win it, which is about the same chance atm

 

[dean33]

Despite never going back to back, the 2007-2011 Geelong team is the best I've seen in my life. They would mince the 3peat Hawks and the current Tigers.

They lost to a hawks side when they were at their peak and the hawks had started theirs yet?

 

[Roobs321]

3 in 4 years (plus 2018 which was their most imperial season) is very laudable, but I felt that the Cats (and Hawks) had more heavyweight competition during the majority of their reigns. Richmond like the Lions would be remembered for their finals cream.

Brisbane have the most presentable 22 on paper though. From their 2001-03 flag 22s, Hadley ('03) & Shattock ('02) are the only trivia names, the rest were reasonable AFL performers at worst who made a name for themselves and weren't out of place in GF football (Charman, Copeland, Beau McDonald, etc.). I don't think the Cats, Hawks or Tiges can quite compete with that.

 

[PhatBoy]

They lost to a hawks side when they were at their peak and the hawks had started theirs yet?

Of course they did, no team is invincible. The Essendon team of 2000 lost to the Bulldogs but if you were assessing the two sides you'd still rightly say that Essendon would cream them more often than not.

 

[dean33]

Of course they did, no team is invincible. The Essendon team of 2000 lost to the Bulldogs but if you were assessing the two sides you'd still rightly say that Essendon would cream them more often than not.

Think you’re underselling the hawks team, for me hawks and lions 3peat teams were better tougher teams than cats 07-11.

 

[Sttew]

Think you’re underselling the hawks team, for me hawks and lions 3peat teams were better tougher teams than cats 07-11.

3Peat is one thing but to say Brisbane and Hawks were "better tougher" teams? What does that even mean?

 

[PhatBoy]

Think you’re underselling the hawks team, for me hawks and lions 3peat teams were better tougher teams than cats 07-11.

I think they were a mighty team. But in our decline we still managed to keep pace with them when they were winning those 3 titles. We beat them 3 times in those threepeat seasons, and twice more in 2012 when they were arguably just as good as they were in their winning seasons.

That doesn't mean squat come finals time, absolutely I get that, and both Brisbane and Hawthorn were specialists at finals footy. But they also blew it a few times, 2012 the obvious example, and the years between 08-12 they missed a couple of chances too. I don't see why the sequence in which that happened, compared to our sequence (W-L-W-L-W) makes them any tougher or better. The Lions too in 2004 finished only a game behind Port in second and despite Port's fragility in big games, fell at the last hurdle. I 100 per cent accept that whichever team was the best, there's not a lot between it and there are certainly great cases to make for Hawthorn and Brisbane. But the Hawks in particular on a head to head basis were a side we matched well across that entire era

 

[DieSwans]

That Geelong team would mop them up...

This Richmond team is the most over-acheiving team I've ever seen...

There's a reason they still don't get respect

Lucky team of flogs

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

That Geelong team would mop them up...

This Richmond team is the most over-acheiving team I've ever seen...

There's a reason they still don't get respect

Lucky team of flogs

Extra salty with MSG

and you wonder why Richmond supporters are unbearable

Theyre a joke for 30 years - ya sink the boots in

Theyre consistent and achieving and they're apparently 'overachieving' and have won 'soft premierships'.

You need some for all that

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Can this thread by shipped to the Bay? I know some of the mods realllllly hate Richmond- but this is nothing more than a troll thread where all oppos are taking turns sinking the boots in - no legitimate discussion is taking place so I feel I can post this and it will just get lost in all the sea salt.

 

[HolyRioli]

I think they were a mighty team. But in our decline we still managed to keep pace with them when they were winning those 3 titles. We beat them 3 times in those threepeat seasons, and twice more in 2012 when they were arguably just as good as they were in their winning seasons.

That doesn't mean squat come finals time, absolutely I get that, and both Brisbane and Hawthorn were specialists at finals footy. But they also blew it a few times, 2012 the obvious example, and the years between 08-12 they missed a couple of chances too. I don't see why the sequence in which that happened, compared to our sequence (W-L-W-L-W) makes them any tougher or better. The Lions too in 2004 finished only a game behind Port in second and despite Port's fragility in big games, fell at the last hurdle. I 100 per cent accept that whichever team was the best, there's not a lot between it and there are certainly great cases to make for Hawthorn and Brisbane. But the Hawks in particular on a head to head basis were a side we matched well across that entire era

The reality of the two eras is that Cats fans will say Geelong were the best, and Hawks fans Hawthorn were the best, while everyone else probably splits it down the middle. Ultimately, they were two amazing teams, and would probably split 100 games 50-50.

Don't forget we also beat you in 07, and then obviously in the GF in 08. And while we didn't again until the 13 prelim, I think it would be fair to saw we 'matched' you all the way