Opinion If Richmond win it this year....

Which team is better?

  • Richmond 17-20

  • Geelong 07-11


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The pressure that Richmond apply & can sustain for entire games is something that wasn’t heard of in Geelong’s era. Geelong certainly had a more skilled team but Richmonds game plan built on pressure, turnovers & intercepts may well have brought them down.
Hawthorn in 2008 was the best forward pressure side in the competition and we saw how easily they buckled.
 

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hk89

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Geelong probably still the better team, but Richmond would have the better achievement. Backing up and winning two years in a row is very difficult, even a team as star studded as the Geelong multiple flag winning outfit couldn't manage it, so if Richmond do it this year kudos to them. This is especially true given the draw they received compared to the likes of Brisbane (likewise if Geelong make it and win).

Will probably be barracking for Geelong/Lions. Last thing a Hawthorn fan (or frankly Big footy in general) needs is a tiger team one GF win away from a 3-peat, and I'd even prefer Geelong win it this year over that outcome.
 
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Darren Moore

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Geelong is better they won 3 out of 5 with a coach that was on ice for four of the years.

Geelong beat Port by 20 goals, lost to Clarko's young Hawks side, beat a two loss Saints side, then beat a two loss Magpies side to win their premierships.

Richmond in 2017 got a home QF they didn't deserve against Geelong (Richmond lower ranked side), got a mentally weak Adelaide side in the GF that hasn't fired another shot since, got a 13 win GWS on a platter for the GF last year.

Geelong had much, much harder opponents and didn't play finals on their home ground of Kardinia Park. Most of Richmond's finals have been on the MCG.

You'd be licking your chops right now if you were Richmond given their dominance of Brisbane at the Gabba, how they weren't too far off beating them two weeks ago despite a very undisciplined, almost arrogant effort. That won't happen again.

And if you don't get Brisbane you get Chris Scott's side who play a style that will be exposed by Richmond when the intensity goes up a notch.
 

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Hawthorn in 2008 was the best forward pressure side in the competition and we saw how easily they buckled.

Yes once in 13 games or something because we were so easy to beat.

Your forward pressure in that game was so good you only allowed Geelong 19 more inside 50s. It was your forward pressure that got us. We just couldn’t get the ball up the ground.
 
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Geelong probably still the better team, but Richmond would have the better achievement. Backing up and winning two years in a row is very difficult, even a team as star studded as the Geelong multiple flag winning outfit couldn't manage it, so if Richmond do it this year kudos to them. This is especially true given the draw they received compared to the likes of Brisbane (likewise if Geelong make it and win).

Will probably be barracking for Geelong/Lions. Last thing a Hawthorn fan (or frankly Big footy in general) needs is a tiger team one GF win away from a 3-peat, and I'd even prefer Geelong win it this year over that outcome.
agree with all of this.
 

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Yes once in 13 games or something because we were so easy to beat.

Your forward pressure in that game was so good you only allowed Geelong 19 more inside 50s. It was your forward pressure that got us. We just couldn’t get the ball up the ground.


Look at your rock solid defense completely sh*t themselves in that third quarter.

Our forward line mentally and physically smashed them when it counted.
 

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The pressure that Richmond apply & can sustain for entire games is something that wasn’t heard of in Geelong’s era. Geelong certainly had a more skilled team but Richmonds game plan built on pressure, turnovers & intercepts may well have brought them down.
The two games between Geelong v St Kilda of 2009 were as close to what we witnessed in last night's preliminary final. While the congestion around the ground was not what it was a decade ago, it's drawing a long bow saying Richmond's pressure was unheard of. After all, it was Ross 'the boss' Lyon who perfected such a style of game well after Paul Roos and Terry Wallace.
 

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3/4 cups including back to back away from home for 3 months would be huge. Including losing the QF and then winning the prelim interstate would put them up with the great teams in the last 30 years.
Make no mistake.. whilst they’ve been away from home all year, they’ve definitely been given the biggest ride of anyone else. They’re the reigning premier yet got far from then toughest schedule.. including the highest differential of rest days vs opponent and a nice little 7 day break conveniently smack bang in the middle of their condensed fixture. Not having to come to Perth was another one given it was feasible plus being their rotation here this year. They were forced out of Vic, okay let’s make sure literally everything else is in their favour. They’ve been towelled up by Brisbane twice, once by Port and have lost others such as the Saints game. Far from the best side this year and it’ll be another arsey flag if they pull it off. Port or Geelong definitely deserve it more.
 

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Tough one, who was better relative to the rest of the comp at the time? Geelong, comfortably...which side would win if they were to play? 0 doubt in my mind Richmond would mulch them. its a different game now and Geelong's style would fall apart in the face of what Richmond would bring..
Who on balance that makes the better side is anyone's guess.
 

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Look at your rock solid defense completely sh*t themselves in that third quarter.

Our forward line mentally and physically smashed them when it counted.
You were too good that day. You don’t have to make up stories about what it was that beat us though. Your vaunted forward pressure had us waltzing the ball straight into our forward 50 for most of the day

For comparison, 12 months earlier in beating port by 20 goals we only went inside 50 seven more times.
 

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The two games between Geelong v St Kilda of 2009 were as close to what we witnessed in last night's preliminary final. While the congestion around the ground was not what it was a decade ago, it's drawing a long bow saying Richmond's pressure was unheard of. After all, it was Ross 'the boss' Lyon who perfected such a style of game well after Paul Roos and Terry Wallace.
Not even close.

09 GF there were 214 tackles for the match.

Tonight there were a mere 118 tackles for the match.

Sure the 09 GF was 25% longer, but the breaks between quarters, between goals are longer. Shorter quarters means you can maintain intensity for a great proportion of the match too.
 

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Richmond can only play the teams put in front of them and are very good at what they do (system based, pressure, play for the entire game etc). If they win it this year they enter the discussion of Carlton 79 - 82, Hawthorn 86 - 91, Brisbane 01 - 04, Geelong 07 - 11 and Hawthorn 12 - 15. That’s what the record books will show and is pretty decent company. I would rank them last out of those teams but at the of the day, 3 flags in 4 years would be a sensational result and I doubt Richmond give a hoot what non Richmond people think. Remarkable turnaround by Richmond - would be nice to see them do it against Geelong too (would be the ultimate payback for round six 2007).
 

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You were too good that day. You don’t have to make up stories about what it was that beat us though. Your vaunted forward pressure had us waltzing the ball straight into our forward 50 for most of the day

For comparison, 12 months earlier in beating port by 20 goals we only went inside 50 seven more times.
The second quarter was the only one Geelong dominated. I thought at half time we were cooked and obviously lucky to be so close. Third quarter was largely like the first quarter - back and forth. Then bang.
 

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If we mange to pull this off, given we are doing it the long way and winning away from home it will cement this side as a true champion side, and add an extra element to the achievement that wasn't there before.

I still think Geelong's 07-11 side was crazy and they played a breathtaking brand of footy that was better than anything else I've seen though.
 

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Geelong 07-11 wins easily.

They will have a higher win percentage of all games in their period of dominance.
Two of their GF opponents(saints 09 & pies 11) were the best sides to not win the flag along with the Eagles of 1991 in the AFL era.
 

Frank Grimes

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Geelong is better they won 3 out of 5 with a coach that was on ice for four of the years.

Geelong beat Port by 20 goals, lost to Clarko's young Hawks side, beat a two loss Saints side, then beat a two loss Magpies side to win their premierships.

Richmond in 2017 got a home QF they didn't deserve against Geelong (Richmond lower ranked side), got a mentally weak Adelaide side in the GF that hasn't fired another shot since, got a 13 win GWS on a platter for the GF last year.
How many "home" finals do you think Geelong has played at Kadinia park exactly?( I'll answer for you. It is one, and they lost that against Freo).

For some reason it is only a problem when Geelong play a "home" final at the MCG is when it's against Richmond.
 

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In terms of talent on paper, it’s laughably not even close. Richmond would probably only have the 5th or 6th best list in the AFL currently. It’s their brand that wins them games/premierships.
Yeah it's our brand. We just show the oppo our logo while Tigerland plays in the background and it's game over.

Twit.
 

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