Opinion If the Premier of Victoria states that we can gather to protest, then why can't we gather to watch football?

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Haters is a loaded term IMO. Many police have reinforced the problem (both here and abroad). In general though, I'm of the view that police in democracies general reflect the population - for better or worse and it is the community view that drives long term cultural change.
Yep - I have no doubt there is a problem. It is just how big or small a problem that would be in debate.
 

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How about if it’s a case of you can only go in a corporate box? How much are they? Will they price gouge?? And who is up for chipping in and attending a match???
 

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How about if it’s a case of you can only go in a corporate box? How much are they? Will they price gouge?? And who is up for chipping in and attending a match???
I will wait outside.











Serious, I would rather have teeth pulled than sit in the sterility of a Box.

As much as its a pain playing against *, the Crowd, the noise, the roar, the banter and winning makes the day.
 

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I will wait outside.











Serious, I would rather have teeth pulled than sit in the sterility of a Box.

As much as its a pain playing against *, the Crowd, the noise, the roar, the banter and winning makes the day.
It’s a great day when you’re a neutral. Free piss and food, races on the telly. Not so much when you are invested in the game.

Mind you, I wouldn’t mind trying it with 20 of my nearest and dearest for a North game. Open the window and go nuts.
 

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Especially considering all the bullshit about aboriginal folks being "more vulnerable"
Well if the data supports that assertion, then fair enough. But does it? I'm unaware of specific disproportionate positive Covid19 tests and fatalities among the indigenous community but I'm sure someone on here has all the facts.

The scariest thing of all will be if there ISN'T a spike in a week or two after what we are seeing right now. What will that tell us about the epidemiological theory.
 

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Well if the data supports that assertion, then fair enough. But does it? I'm unaware of specific disproportionate positive Covid19 tests and fatalities among the indigenous community but I'm sure someone on here has all the facts.
I am aware of no vulnerable genetic pre-disposition in Australian aborigines.
 

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Why are these communities being singled out?
Put bluntly, people living there are vulnerable.

People with underlying medical conditions are known to be at greater risk from Covid-19 - and diabetes and renal failure are more prevalent among Indigenous Australians than the general population.

There are also much higher smoking rates - bad news when dealing with a respiratory condition.

"There is no way that existing medical services can cope if the virus gets into a remote community," says Indigenous rights campaigner Gerry Georgatos. "It's going to be disastrous."

It's pretty common sense- they don't have the requisite facilities to deal with a virus they cannot vaccinate against in regional communities
 

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I think in some sense these protests are a symptom of the pandemic and it is the correct choice to allow them to happen and ventilate the situation.

Nevertheless I don't believe these protesters should feel proud about their actions. Spreading the virus will affect the most disadvantaged parts of society (poor, sick) and there is no escaping that fact.
 

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It's pretty common sense- they don't have the requisite facilities to deal with a virus they cannot vaccinate against in regional communities
I understand the common-sense presumption that Covid19 represents a greater risk to Indigenous people. I just wonder whether the data has shown this to be the case or if it's proving to be yet another strange anomaly of this virus.
 

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I understand the common-sense presumption that Covid19 represents a greater risk to Indigenous people. I just wonder whether the data has shown this to be the case or if it's proving to be yet another strange anomaly of this virus.
It's going to be hard to ascertain anything from the pandemic so far as we did such a stellar job of mitigation. But the reasoning for protecting regional areas is sound to me.. they don't have the care facilities for a pandemic. And I'm not sure the indigenous population living in urban areas was treated any differently to you or I.
 

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It's pretty common sense- they don't have the requisite facilities to deal with a virus they cannot vaccinate against in regional communities
They also have generally poorer health, with a larger percentage of comorbidities which we understand puts them in the high risk category should they contract the COVID.
 

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What's the bigger concern for people? Andrew's hypocrisy or the actual health and well being of the community with the potential spread of the virus because of the protests?
 

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What's the bigger concern for people? Andrew's hypocrisy or the actual health and well being of the community with the potential spread of the virus because of the protests?
I dont think Andrews was being a “hypocrite” as you suggest. However, this could play out.. lets think on the positive side, if there is no spread? Or very little communicable transmission due to the protest, then crowds will be back sooner rather than later.

looking at the media this morning it appears as though there was only issues of violence and over policing in sydney. Images of melb protest showed nearly all people wearing masks and loads of sanitisers were supplied. And dont use this argument at the footy crowds, people wont adhere to the policy “gotta drink my beer” “oh I lost it” “i cant yell abuse at MacMillan”.

the opportunity for protest doesn’t come along every day. Its a catch 22. Both are significantly important
 

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Which is?

Stupid people get infected and are exponentially removed for the gene pool.

I am probbaly as best educated with this viral stuff as anyone who posts here, and I don't have a clue about the true epidemiology underpinning this pandemic, so if politics is going to selectively pick & choose, then that is the problem.
 
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I dont think Andrews was being a “hypocrite” as you suggest. However, this could play out.. lets think on the positive side, if there is no spread? Or very little communicable transmission due to the protest, then crowds will be back sooner rather than later.

looking at the media this morning it appears as though there was only issues of violence and over policing in sydney. Images of melb protest showed nearly all people wearing masks and loads of sanitisers were supplied. And dont use this argument at the footy crowds, people wont adhere to the policy “gotta drink my beer” “oh I lost it” “i cant yell abuse at MacMillan”.

the opportunity for protest doesn’t come along every day. Its a catch 22. Both are significantly important
I'm not specifically calling Andrews a hypocrite (I think he bungled the message though) but more getting and understanding of the point of the thread.

I'm not the biggest fan of Andrews but think he's handled the crisis for the most part ok.

I don't recall the angst towards the 5G protesters, other than "look at those nutbags".

I'm all for criticising politicians providing it's consistent.
 

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Stupid people get infected and are exponentially removed for the gene pool.

I am probbaly as best educated with this viral stuff as anyone who posts here, and I don't have a clue about the true epidemiology underpinning this pandemic, so if politics is going to selectively pick & choose, then that is the problem.
FFS - the sh*t that gurgles out of this mouth. I should have done this a long time ago.... ignore.
 

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I understand the common-sense presumption that Covid19 represents a greater risk to Indigenous people. I just wonder whether the data has shown this to be the case or if it's proving to be yet another strange anomaly of this virus.
I presume the overriding stat on this is the fact that Indigenous life expectancy is substantially lower than the rest of Australia. It becomes a no-brainer, without the need for further investigation, that they are among the most at risk during Covid-19?
 

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