If we don't win more than 4 games this season..

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In respect of the part of your post you edited out, ie "Do you object to me posting here?", I guess we can't stop you unless the mods decide otherwise.
I edited my post because I thought it would only illicit this type of response.

If I post here it will be only because I think I can contribute in an objective way. I really have no desire to become the subject or to take the thread off topic.

However, I see no other possible reason for you to be posting on the Carlton board other than to cause trouble. Any suggestion that your intentions are otherwise is laughable, given the nature of your posting on the main board re the Carlton FC and its supporters.
Sorry you feel that way.
 

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I have no objection to his posting here. However I also have no doubts as to his motives. Good on you for sticking up for him though. ;)

No worries. If JD or anyone else just wants to antagonize and troll then they get banned. Simple as that. Goes for anybody. If someone attacks them and they bite back then thats a different story.
We need some posters from other boards on here as well for a different point of view and to keep discussions going as well.

Just read a persons posts and judge them on that on here. Not who they are or who they support. I understand where you are coming from. I am giving JD a go on here if he wants to post from time to time. If it goes sour then it is on me.
 

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How many wins do we need to say we are "getting results"?

Hawthorn had results last year by going with youth yet they only managed 5 wins.

I think its not so much wins its these stats

2003) 1784 2674 66.7%
2004) 1825 2235 81.7%
2005) 2016 2670 75.5%

even in 2004 when we won 10 games we were lucky and our percentage was poor. We need to lift the percentage. Be more competitive. Not get thrashed and hang in games longer. Pinch a few close ones if we can.

Hawthorn of 2005 only won 5 games but had a percentage of 82.2. Thats the sort of result I am looking for this year.

It will come down to more rotations in the midfield to spread the load and run games out better. Key defenders standing up under pressure. French not getting injured.

Those are the 3 main factors. I have confidence in Pagan doing the first 1 and French lasting the year. I do not have confidence in the tall defenders in 2006. Bower wont be ready and Edwards also unlikely to be this year. Harts is not a natural defender. Lance dont get me started there. Thornton is out of form and is not suited to full back. Saddington ....

You get the idea I think. We all saw it in the NAB cup.
 

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As long as we see less blowouts and improvement in the young players and the areas you've highlighted I'll accept it. But that won't please some "supporters" who were calling for Pagan's head in 2003 and expect too much from our list.
 

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The Old Dark Navy's said:
We are going backwards at a rate of knots as far as credibility goes and no sponsor would touch a team that loses year after year.
That's what I'm most worried about. The money, not so much the credibility. Carlton will always be able to fall back on its proud history (just look at Parrot ;)), but damn, if we don't start winning soon we'll be on the CBF, and from there who knows....

I don't necessarily think Collo's doing a bang-up job, but it's gotta be tough building a budget for a team which acheives nothing year after year after year.
:(
 

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#31
Mojo livingston, kennedy (Teague when appropriate) in the backline ?

McClaren, saddington, setanta.



Maybe we can try Fev back there (especially against the saints ;) ).
 

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6 to 7 wins. More development of the younger players. A better percentage and more competitve team. Finish off the bottom of the ladder. Get a gun with the first pick. Get a skilled midfielder with our second round pick. Trade and get another pick in the 20 to 30 range and use it to get another runner. Pick up Sammy. We get the same result but get some respect back into the place.

No need for a PP. Let another team get some cutlery this year. I have had my fill of spoons for a very long time.
I agree with Mojo here, we dont want the cutlery (spoons) to outweigh the Cups (Premierships) we have so lets get off the bottom. I think with Kouta's backended contract finishing at the end of this year we should be in a position to target a big name recruit and throw so dollars at them. In actual fact this should be an absolute necessity and the board should start targeting someone right now..... In addition we will get another couple of good draft picks, further development of our young list and we should be thinking of a middle of the road ladder position....
 

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audas said:
Mojo livingston, kennedy (Teague when appropriate) in the backline ?

McClaren, saddington, setanta.



Maybe we can try Fev back there (especially against the saints ;) ).

Mojo in the backline?! :eek:

We're not that desperate yet are we ?!! ;)
 

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Mojo is under enough pressure as it is with the bombardment of all our questions, so just imagine the type of pressure he would be under being in our backline. Thats the last thing you could wish on anyone.
 

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audas said:
Mojo livingston, kennedy (Teague when appropriate) in the backline ?

McClaren, saddington, setanta.



Maybe we can try Fev back there (especially against the saints ;) ).

All options Audas. But we need to class tall defenders and at this stage we dont have 1. That situation might be different at the end of the year but it would seem unlikely. Thornton is out of form and maybe he will not take the step up to a gun defender now. He lookes like he was going to a few years ago but its debatable now that he will. Livo and all the others have question marks as well.
We have addressed the situation with our recruiting but they need time to get experience in the 2s before being ready. Maybe later in the year and maybe not until next. Thats why I dont see any significant improvement in our defensive 6 this year. We might be more competitive in the midfield and get less huge scores kicked on us because of that. I just dont think our backline will be able to hold teams unless we win at least 50% of the ball from the midfield.

One last thing. When I mention in a draft profile or a player one about poise, class and being able to pick the right option. I realise it sounds like a whole lot of waffle to some. We saw a Carlton player show all those things on Saturday night. He has been doing it for years and we desperately need players with those qulaities at the club. I am talking about Matty Lappin.
Poor year last year after contract negotiations aside.
 

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Mojo is under enough pressure as it is with the bombardment of all our questions, so just imagine the type of pressure he would be under being in our backline. Thats the last thing you could wish on anyone.

You should try the draft board. Nothing like someone calling another 17 year old kid weak and scared and then the players father/brother/friend reads it and all hell breaks loose.
 

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Is Thornton really out of form? Kingsley only took 4 marks last weekend (O'hAilpin, Fevola, and Fisher all took more). Only about 2 of those marks were from body on body contests. Many of Kingsleys goals resulted in free kicks (4 I believe) or quick turnovers.

T-Bird was unlucky, but he looked like his normal self. He still ran the ball out of defence on occasions, switched play when necessary, and he did some great spoils.

With these new interpretations though, it's not gonna be a good year for defenders.
 

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#41
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This thread is moot. Wether you like it or not carlton are going to make the eight. Pie in the sky, not at all.

This is giong to be one of those years. There are going to be three or four players who step up (I dont mean the old guard) and thats all it takes. These three or four inspire the rest, the tail lifts and personal belief sets in.
People forget that these are all football teams and a champion team will beat a team of champions any day.

All that is missing is one second at either end ?? What ?

Lance, Lappipn, Kouta, Hoola are all able to take an extra second, see whats happening and set up play. Use the ball to our advantage. The inverse is true of our younger players. The have a second less, hence are always delivering to a player in an equal position (under the pump) or worse. This is a two second difference. This results in LOTS of fumbles, turnovers and "bombing" into contested marks especially in the forward line. If we are able to get our selves moving, get that extra second and deliver to our team mates we will excell. Our team is surviving on sheer determination, committment and endeavour when we couple that with some confidence and more time we will excell. I believe we have the talent.
Fev, Fish, Setanta, Wait and Betts are as good a set up as anyone esle in the league, if we deliver to these guys on the chest or to their advantage rather than a 50-50 bomb , look out.

As far as defence is concerned we do lack, however I think that we are almost there and this is the difference between 8th and 9th.

A bit of confidence, head down bum up, and we are good to go. Sounds unbelievable, impossible, a dream.... but thats exactly the stuff from which this club is made.


Possible Talent:

Hoolahan
Simpson
Wait
Fish
Walker
Bentick
Carrazzo
Murph
Kennedy ?
Harltett
Ohalpin

All we need is three to really step up.

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Is Thornton really out of form? Kingsley only took 4 marks last weekend (O'hAilpin, Fevola, and Fisher all took more). Only about 2 of those marks were from body on body contests. Many of Kingsleys goals resulted in free kicks (4 I believe) or quick turnovers.

T-Bird was unlucky, but he looked like his normal self. He still ran the ball out of defence on occasions, switched play when necessary, and he did some great spoils.

With these new interpretations though, it's not gonna be a good year for defenders.

Kingsley beat him on the lead and Thornton could not close the gap. He beat him in the body contests. Thornton did not antipate where Kent was going to lead to. Some of it could not be helped but when there was a genuine contest and a chance for Thornton he was found wanting.
Something that in 2003/4 would not have happened so easily if at all. Taking thorntons pre season so far and whole 2005 its a worry for me if he is up to being a key defender. No problem with him playing as a half back flanker and getting a lot of the ball and running off. But we need him to play as a key defender on the gun forwards this year. In a couple of years he can do the other role if we have alternatives in Bower/Edwards/Hartlett/Flint depending on how they come through.
 

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#43
If somehow we manage to sure up our leaking defence it will change our prospects all over the ground, instead of players running the ball by themselves and having no option but to kick long to contested situations when under a bit of pressure (eg: about to be tackled) other players will be able to run off there man with some confidence that they won't get caught out on the turnover and then we can run in waves and hunt in packs like in 95 when our defence was rock solid, this then gives confidence to the whole team and forces opposition defenders to panic which in turn opens up the forward 50 for players to kick to uncontested or at the least one on one contests, the midfield can run forward of the ball instead of always having to play behind it waiting for the turnover which then gives us more opportunities to kick goals on the run which is extremely lacking and in turn again forces opposition defenders to leave there men in order to run at the midfielder coming at them. Considering we still kicked a lot of goals and managed to keep our For percentage relatively high last year, with a sured up defencive half look out. I know it is fairly simplistic but as they say the best plans always are.
Our best games over the past four years have been played using this blueprint and when it comes off confidence skyrockets and we get on a roll which is exactly what happened the season we won 10 games, but then Pagan through need or just plain stubborness to adhere to the wayne carey game plan switched back the next year and hence we won 4 games. So everyone pray that the plan we saw on Saturday night was just a ruse otherwise yes 4 wins is on the cards again this year. :confused:
 

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So what else can we do then ?

Our forward line is great, our midfield is good and it appears our back line is just plain bad.

Is there ANYONE who could be put into defence ?
 
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