Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

Gethelred

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There is a sector in each element of society crying out for funding. Each with legitimate claims

Kind of impossible to fully fund every element of the public service system.

Im not against newstart recepients receiving more, I just don't think most of you understand there are other needs being addressed before them.
Those that are incapable of looking after themselves

Sure, we could fund everything based on equallity of outcome, but to do so, we'd all need to be at a much higher tax bracket.

Which Australians won't like.

The systematic support of the Aussie dole bludger lifestyle ended 20 years ago.

I don't dispute the issues with the employment services.

There is a thing called income protection insurance, most people can get some sort of protection, at a cost through. And I bet nobody wants to fork out the premiums for these either, but expect others to do so when they need it










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... because handing protections for the poor over to the insurance companies is a good idea?

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Except, they're not public service departments, they're private businesses given government tender, or businesses created specifically for the task of managing WFTD, the Centrelink external aspects of the Newstart payment (including the 20 jobs per month quota) and the various other mundanities that Centrelink cannot do anymore due to numerous funding cuts.

You're not being offensive, now. It's offensive when you accuse someone who is genuinely doing tough that they shouldn't complain about their own problems because people in Cambodia or elsewhere are surviving on $20.

And I'm not categorising s**t. If you look at the most vulnerable parts of our society, you will find a significant overlap between them and the unemployed.
They maybe s**t, but I guess they're employing people.

You get offended pretty easily if the solution to unemployment is getting employment is offensive.





... because handing protections for the poor over to the insurance companies is a good idea?

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So you don't want to pay to protect your own income.
But want others to do so? Then complain when it's not enough.
Yea seems fair.





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Gethelred

Norm Smith Medallist
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They maybe s**t, but I guess they're employing people.

You get offended pretty easily if the solution to unemployment is getting employment is offensive
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Wat?

Try rephrasing that in a way which makes sense in english, please, because it doesn't in its current form.

So you don't want to pay to protect your own income.
But want others to do so? Then complain when it's not enough.
Yea seems fair.

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... or I don't trust insurance companies to do what's best for people over a short, medium or long term duration.

And I am perfectly willing to pay to protect my own income, and the incomes of other people. It's what my taxes are for, and what my superannuation is for.
 

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Wat?

Try rephrasing that in a way which makes sense in english, please, because it doesn't in its current form.


... or I don't trust insurance companies to do what's best for people over a short, medium or long term duration.

And I am perfectly willing to pay to protect my own income, and the incomes of other people. It's what my taxes are for, and what my superannuation is for.
The entitled...

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Norm Smith Medallist
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There is something deeply ironic about you calling anyone else that, especially when you consider how you told me I needed to travel more.

Why don't you wander over to a thread in which they're discussing something you understand, hmm?
I don't think you understand what ironic means

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Gethelred

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I don't think you understand what ironic means

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So, we're at this stage of proceedings, huh?

Give me a sec, just got to get out my reading glasses and my little book, it helps me translate what goes on on the SRP when someone has lost an argument but doesn't want to admit it or lose face.
 

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Norm Smith Medallist
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So, we're at this stage of proceedings, huh?

Give me a sec, just got to get out my reading glasses and my little book, it helps me translate what goes on on the SRP when someone has lost an argument but doesn't want to admit it or lose face.
How did you even come to the conclusion I lost an arguement.
entitlement vs self supporting opinions is a belief system.

Lots of you that hold the belief that the world owes you something live of a victim mentality..

Here's the difference

If someone said they're out of work and having a campaigner of a time finding work, I'm 100% inclined to offer constructive feedback and empathize with their circumstances.

If someone comes out and says I can't find work therefore can't live off Centrelink payments and they should increase by 30%. And I don't care where the funding comes from, (because it's all about my needs,and fu** the rest of the impoverished world) , don't increase pensions and take from self funded retirees because those araeholes owe me for not finding my preferred occupation, handling a shovel is too beneath me.

Then I say go fu** yourself you bludging campaigner.

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How did you even come to the conclusion I lost an arguement.
entitlement vs self supporting opinions is a belief system.

Lots of you that hold the belief that the world owes you something live of a victim mentality..

Here's the difference

If someone said they're out of work and having a campaigner of a time finding work, I'm 100% inclined to offer constructive feedback and empathize with their circumstances.

If someone comes out and says I can't find work therefore can't live off Centrelink payments and they should increase by 30%. And I don't care where the funding comes from, (because it's all about my needs,and fu** the rest of the impoverished world) , don't increase pensions and take from self funded retirees because those araeholes owe me for not finding my preferred occupation, handling a shovel is too beneath me.

Then I say go fu** yourself you bludging campaigner.

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And how, in any way whatsoever, is your post any less entitled than those you so look down upon? This is the irony in this situation; that you fail to see just how entitled you yourself are.

Literally no-one who is on the dole is as per your second paragraph. You do not know this, because people who are on the dole do not share the fact they are on the dole, and they do not go out, and they do not do it easy or hold out for a good job. You would know this, if you had ever had much to do with them. That you do not, and you still hold your own entitled attitude is so appalling as to be almost funny.

You are a caricature of yourself.
 

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And how, in any way whatsoever, is your post any less entitled than those you so look down upon? This is the irony in this situation; that you fail to see just how entitled you yourself are.

Literally no-one who is on the dole is as per your second paragraph. You do not know this, because people who are on the dole do not share the fact they are on the dole, and they do not go out, and they do not do it easy or hold out for a good job. You would know this, if you had ever had much to do with them. That you do not, and you still hold your own entitled attitude is so appalling as to be almost funny.

You are a caricature of yourself.
what a rant.
How exactly did you get entitled from anything i wrote. A bit of Irony there.


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what a rant.
How exactly did you get entitled from anything i wrote. A bit of Irony there.


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What an... excuse to dismiss or continuously misread things. Of course, I leave it to you to decide whether you misread my posts deliberately for duplicitous purposes, or because you're a moron.

You are entitled because you are continuously making the same mistake; you are imagining a hypothetical dole bludger who is in it purely for the free money, despite the fact that the dole is less than the minimum wage, the fact that most of people who are on it are perfectly willing to work but due to circumstances beyond their control they found themselves out of work, the fact that the job agencies who people who are on the dole are forced to work with are compliance based and do not seek for their clients to obtain work. The whole system is designed not to funnel the jobless into jobs, but to make obtaining and remaining on the dole as difficult as it can possibly be to minimise the amount of people claiming it. You are entitled, because you feel your opinion is worth consideration on something you know nothing about, and you are proudly displaying that ignorance with each successive post.

You began this particular conversation with the off hand comment that those who think the dole should be increased are whinging because people elsewhere on this planet are surviving on less. You told me I should travel more. Do you also think the starving should eat cake, too?

You do not see the difference between paying for something via your taxes to a government you choose to elect - which has within its various laws and rules at least a set of basic tenents which hold citizens of the country as worthy of protection - and an insurance company operating in the interests of their shareholders not their consumers.

This conversation serves no purpose other that to continuously illuminate the fact that you do not know what you are talking about. You do not read the posts you quote, and you do not interact with points you cannot argue with. I will allow you to have the last word, if only because it's small comfort, as this conversation is over.
 

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What an... excuse to dismiss or continuously misread things. Of course, I leave it to you to decide whether you misread my posts deliberately for duplicitous purposes, or because you're a moron.

You are entitled because you are continuously making the same mistake; you are imagining a hypothetical dole bludger who is in it purely for the free money, despite the fact that the dole is less than the minimum wage, the fact that most of people who are on it are perfectly willing to work but due to circumstances beyond their control they found themselves out of work, the fact that the job agencies who people who are on the dole are forced to work with are compliance based and do not seek for their clients to obtain work. The whole system is designed not to funnel the jobless into jobs, but to make obtaining and remaining on the dole as difficult as it can possibly be to minimise the amount of people claiming it. You are entitled, because you feel your opinion is worth consideration on something you know nothing about, and you are proudly displaying that ignorance with each successive post.

You began this particular conversation with the off hand comment that those who think the dole should be increased are whinging because people elsewhere on this planet are surviving on less. You told me I should travel more. Do you also think the starving should eat cake, too?

You do not see the difference between paying for something via your taxes to a government you choose to elect - which has within its various laws and rules at least a set of basic tenents which hold citizens of the country as worthy of protection - and an insurance company operating in the interests of their shareholders not their consumers.

This conversation serves no purpose other that to continuously illuminate the fact that you do not know what you are talking about. You do not read the posts you quote, and you do not interact with points you cannot argue with. I will allow you to have the last word, if only because it's small comfort, as this conversation is over.
I get your point.

You only have one point, dole needs to increase because it's unfair that you can't live off it.


That's it.

And that's a self serving POV.





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You are entitled because you are continuously making the same mistake; you are imagining a hypothetical dole bludger who is in it purely for the free money, despite the fact that the dole is less than the minimum wage...
You think the dole should be equal to or greater than minimum wage?
 

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You think the dole should be equal to or greater than minimum wage?
The fact that the dole is less than the minimum wage is evidence towards breaking the assumption that the dole can just be lived on. It is not sufficient to sustain you for very long, nor is it intended to be.

If you're asking what I think, my answer would be that I am not an expert. There are others who are, who can better say precisely how much money is required to live on, or to get a job. It is my opinion that the dole is too low, as it currently stands, because you cannot live on it and seek to improve yourself sufficiently to get a job, and that the various mechanisms which are used to force those on the dole to seek work are both not functioning towards that end and are making it harder for everyone involved, with the express purpose of making the dole itself too much effort to claim and stay compliant with.

Please note, too, that I'm not talking about getting a job in your field; this isn't about people being choosy. This is about the jobs market being very difficult, with people remaining unemployed for steadily longer as time progresses.
 

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Sozzled as fu** and doesn't know what he's saying
IT BLOODY WORKS
You latte sippers from the city bla bla
mention a few drought ridden towns
climate change is a lefty conspiracy
it works 2 get votes
its trump talk and the left have nothing

Play dirty then
The left should highlight how he cheated on his wife with a pockmarked behemoth
got her preg
shine a light on the winner
 

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Who’s the stupid, crazy, fiery redhead? Would have to be a greenie.
Begrudgingly though, Newstart does need to be increased. $75/week is way too much though. I’d make it about $40/week as long as they’re complying with their requirements. However, I’d drop the amount of jobs they need to apply for to about 10/month or slightly less.
 
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