Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

Craven Morehead

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Rental assistance is about $280 per month. Good luck finding a house for that. But most people in Australia don't rent and there's no assistance for mortgage payments. There will be many people having that awkward conversation with their bank and some facing foreclosure.

The health care card provides discounts for some expenses eg 17.5 per cent off gas and electricity - but the kicker is that if you are unemployed you will be at home more and be using more gas and electricity. Then you still have to find the other 82.5% of the bill when energy prices have increased by over 70% in the last 10 years. Newstart, which is indexed linked, has risen about 20% over the last 10 years. So the value of the health care card discount has significantly declined.

Clearly there will be some people rorting the system, and kids still living with parents who have no bills who can get by on $40 a day. But the Newstart allowance is grossly inadequate for the average person who has bills for rent/mortgage, house insurance, rates, energy, phone, car etc.
The entire premise of the thread is that people are surviving solely on the dole payment, which they are not.
I have no problem whatsoever with the payment being increased, but start the discussion from a platform with an element of truth instead of sensationalism.
(I realise you didn't start the thread).
I also see no reason why young unemployed, without children, can't be, shall we say coerced, into doing some of the more menial, yet well paid jobs in rural areas.
 

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Maybe those 150-160 job seekers knew you were a total waste of space in finding them a job and that the 'job seeker' agencies are just outsourced box-ticking compliance units for Centrelink.
The providers aren’t there to find you a job. They are there to assist you to find a job...
The ones that wanted jobs tended to get jobs and plenty of assistance. The ones who couldn’t care less got that level of servicing as they should.... still they still rolled in for fuel cards, Coles vouchers, assistance with licensing and rego payments and in some cases some even got a car....

One job seeker I handled was given a bike to assist with getting him to work... next day the bike was in cash converters as he traded it in for money to buy smokes.....


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Thanks. I'm not trying to dispute what you're saying, merely trying to get a perspective on it from a different angle.

How were you trained for the role? Was your background in this kind of a field? How were you instructed to approach clients?
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The providers aren’t there to find you a job. They are there to assist you to find a job...
The ones that wanted jobs tended to get jobs and plenty of assistance. The ones who couldn’t care less got that level of servicing as they should.... still they still rolled in for fuel cards, Coles vouchers, assistance with licensing and rego payments and in some cases some even got a car....

One job seeker I handled was given a bike to assist with getting him to work... next day the bike was in cash converters as he traded it in for money to buy smokes.....
Of course the providers have to go through the pretence that they are assisting people to find work. The fact that people are denied 'assistance' from the job seeker agencies when they are on waiting periods for Newstart payments tells you that they are actually Centrelink compliance units.

Please tell us how people on Newstart can get fuel cards and Coles vouchers. And cars!
 

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Yeah I thought the fuel cards were only for pensioners out in the country.
 

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The entire premise of the thread is that people are surviving solely on the dole payment, which they are not.
I have no problem whatsoever with the payment being increased, but start the discussion from a platform with an element of truth instead of sensationalism.
(I realise you didn't start the thread).
I also see no reason why young unemployed, without children, can't be, shall we say coerced, into doing some of the more menial, yet well paid jobs in rural areas.
Some people will be surviving on the dole and not much more when you add the other benefits. It's not enough to live on.

On top of that the the system is f’ed. Nothing at all properly works on the Centrelink website. Wait times to speak to someone on the phone are at least 30 minutes, usually more. The people on the phone generally don't have a clue - so a call that should take 10 minutes can drag on for over an hour. The people in Centrelink offices generally don't have a clue about the detail of the process. The processing times for claims are ridiculously long (mine took over 3 months). The jobseeker agencies provide little assistance is finding a job, they regularly cock up appointment times so payments are suspended, and communication between them and Centrelink is poor eg Centrelink will cancel jobseeker appointments without notifying either the agency or the client, so you turn up and they say 'oh sorry, they didn't tell us either'.

Compare this to the Swiss system where for a decent period payment levels are linked to your previous income level, and the agencies are properly resourced to assist you to find work.

Don't mind your idea to get young unemployed working.
 

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Yeah I thought the fuel cards were only for pensioners out in the country.
The Basicscard can be used in Coles, but you have to opt for Income Management, and the money on the card comes out of your payments.

Looking forward to hearing about free cars on Newstart!
 

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All providers have whats called the EPF Fund which is money the government gives them yearly to assist job seekers with various items if requested.If the request meets the guidelines its paid.
 

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That's what I've been saying. It's too easy to simply demonise the people working at the jobs agencies, some of which I've absolutely no doubt went in with the very best of intentions. The reason I'm asking the questions I'm asking is because I want to know how someone goes from being passionate about helping people to telling me to drop out of my degree or my payment will be cut.

I suppose what I'm asking you is if you became a bit disillusioned, or how quickly it happened. Was the training you were provided adequate, and the tasks provided to you catered to by your training? How do some agencies go from genuinely wanting to help people to cutting their payment because of a JobActive error, or providing the wrong advice against their client's interests?
The providers aren’t there to find you a job. They are there to assist you to find a job...
The ones that wanted jobs tended to get jobs and plenty of assistance. The ones who couldn’t care less got that level of servicing as they should.... still they still rolled in for fuel cards, Coles vouchers, assistance with licensing and rego payments and in some cases some even got a car....

One job seeker I handled was given a bike to assist with getting him to work... next day the bike was in cash converters as he traded it in for money to buy smokes.....


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This wasn't my experience of the Newstart payment, at either of my job agencies.
 
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I also see no reason why young unemployed, without children, can't be, shall we say coerced, into doing some of the more menial, yet well paid jobs in rural areas.
This is part of the problem with how the government has managed the unemployed over the past few decades. When WFTD was first introduced, Jeff Kennett made the comment that it would work better if it was aligned to actual employers in a form of real work experience but Howard dismissed that idea. The government's approach isn't a serious attempt to get the unemployed into the workforce, if anything it helps the real slack to remain slack while doing little for those that want employment.
 

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Goroyals22,
I have thought of working as a JSP as I have lived and seen the life from both ends of the spectrum.
But what gets me curious and I am not sure if your allowed to answer this.
KPI So I have no idea how that works as I relate KPI to sales and profits,In regards to being a JSP what could that be ?
 

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This is part of the problem with how the government has managed the unemployed over the past few decades. When WFTD was first introduced, Jeff Kennett made the comment that it would work better if it was aligned to actual employers in a form of real work experience but Howard dismissed that idea. The government's approach isn't a serious attempt to get the unemployed into the workforce, if anything it helps the real slack to remain slack while doing little for those that want employment.
I have done work for the dole m
Sorry that confuses me.
Is there on average 44.5 jobs per person avail?
And also locations?
If you have time I would love to see a jobs via location avail?
And also a break down full time or part time or casual.
 

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I have done work for the dole m

Sorry that confuses me.
Is there on average 44.5 jobs per person avail?
And also locations?
If you have time I would love to see a jobs via location avail?
And also a break down full time or part time or casual.
fu** you're asking the wrong guy , Mr Creighton would be the go-to on those questions.
 

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Goroyals22,
I have thought of working as a JSP as I have lived and seen the life from both ends of the spectrum.
But what gets me curious and I am not sure if your allowed to answer this.
KPI So I have no idea how that works as I relate KPI to sales and profits,In regards to being a JSP what could that be ?
Kpi’s can vary on the role you are in but if your a run of the mill job coach it will revolve around the amount of people you can get into work, not how many people you can breach which will disappoint many here.


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fu** you're asking the wrong guy , Mr Creighton would be the go-to on those questions.
Don't be a smartarse because i quite enjoy your silliness.
Jobs are jobs and, today, we import 150,000+ backpackers to do the ones that young kids won't take up.
That's a fact.
I'm fully expecting a humorous smack-down via some obscure gif that you find, which i will enjoy immensely.
You campaigner.
 

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You don’t understand economic cycles do you?

Maybe, the lazy free loaders at the top of the economic tree pay tax and not get hand outs.
LOL. Yeh right. Good one. Clearly you have I idea of what tax brackets are.
 

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Don't be a smartarse because i quite enjoy your silliness.
Jobs are jobs and, today, we import 150,000+ backpackers to do the ones that young kids won't take up.
That's a fact.
I'm fully expecting a humorous smack-down via some obscure gif that you find, which i will enjoy immensely.
You campaigner.
Saying jobs are jobs is all good and well, but the problem is today's labour market despite becoming more flexible, it has not become flexible in terms of jobs because while it might be okay for a uni student or school leaver to undertake any job. But once you enter the workforce there becomes an expectation by recruiters and HR types that you will cease job hopping and focus on your career and following the usual career pathway.
 

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Don't be a smartarse because i quite enjoy your silliness.
Jobs are jobs and, today, we import 150,000+ backpackers to do the ones that young kids won't take up.
That's a fact.
I'm fully expecting a humorous smack-down via some obscure gif that you find, which i will enjoy immensely.
You campaigner.
Boy , that escalated quickly.gif

I get that you're wound up about this but that's not my fault.
 
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