Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

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Norm Smith Medallist
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All providers have whats called the EPF Fund which is money the government gives them yearly to assist job seekers with various items if requested.If the request meets the guidelines its paid.
That's it? That's your explanation of your claim that people on Newstart can get fuel cards, Coles vouchers and free cars?
 

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At my precious role however I can state I had a caseload of between 150-160 job seekers
Let's assume you worked a 37.5 hour week, and 90% of that time was productive ie not in meetings/chatting to colleagues/talking s**t on Bigfooty. A 2016 Melbourne University study found that frontline staff spent on average 43.7% of their time in direct contact with job seekers. That works out to about 12 minutes per fortnight per client. That's about the time required to check compliance.
 

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Kpi’s can vary on the role you are in but if your a run of the mill job coach it will revolve around the amount of people you can get into work, not how many people you can breach which will disappoint many here.


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My daughter gets breached often. And Centrelink then resolve it that day when she contests.

She has TAFE 2 days a week, work placement training 1 day a week, and works 2 days a week.

She always gets told thats not enough and she needs to do more. They also always cancel appointments at the last minute, and when they schedule the appointment when she is doing work placement training 1 hour away and she tells them she cant make it they breach her.

Because work placement training doesnt count as a legit reason for missing an appointment.

Yes. Doing on the job training is not a vslid reason for missing an appointment with a work agency.

So their KPI may not be specifically breaching her, but if they cant get their KPI because they cant get the tick for getting her a job they will punish her by breaching her.
 

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My daughter gets breached often. And Centrelink then resolve it that day when she contests.

She has TAFE 2 days a week, work placement training 1 day a week, and works 2 days a week.

She always gets told thats not enough and she needs to do more. They also always cancel appointments at the last minute, and when they schedule the appointment when she is doing work placement training 1 hour away and she tells them she cant make it they breach her.

Because work placement training doesnt count as a legit reason for missing an appointment.

Yes. Doing on the job training is not a vslid reason for missing an appointment with a work agency.

So their KPI may not be specifically breaching her, but if they cant get their KPI because they cant get the tick for getting her a job they will punish her by breaching her.
It may possibly not be enough on the guidelines set out. If she is full time activity tested by centrelink therefore she has a minimum 20 hours a week of work to meet her requirements. If she is doing 15 hours work only then she may not be meeting her requirements. The rules were changed about 18 months to ago to prevent people from becoming professional students rather than working.

Again that's not the providers fault that's a government and centrelink requirement.
 

Goroyals22

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Let's assume you worked a 37.5 hour week, and 90% of that time was productive ie not in meetings/chatting to colleagues/talking s**t on Bigfooty. A 2016 Melbourne University study found that frontline staff spent on average 43.7% of their time in direct contact with job seekers. That works out to about 12 minutes per fortnight per client. That's about the time required to check compliance.
You don't see all your clients fortnightly for a variety of reasons so its a pointless stat but regardless its not going to change your mind about providers but perhaps if job seekers took a bit more personal responsibility they wont have issues re compliance and there providers.
 

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Another mess by Centrelink MyGov.

Customers have been left out of pocket – in one case by almost $10,000 – after a nationwide glitch affecting the Centrelink website saw people inadvertently pay back their debts several times over.​
"We went to the myGov portal to pay it and clicked on the link that said this is the money that you owe. We put the credit card details in, pressed submit and it said the page has not been found – it didn't say it had been processed or give us a receipt number. It just looked like it hadn't worked".​

 

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Another mess by Centrelink MyGov.

Customers have been left out of pocket – in one case by almost $10,000 – after a nationwide glitch affecting the Centrelink website saw people inadvertently pay back their debts several times over.​
"We went to the myGov portal to pay it and clicked on the link that said this is the money that you owe. We put the credit card details in, pressed submit and it said the page has not been found – it didn't say it had been processed or give us a receipt number. It just looked like it hadn't worked".​

They musn't have " had a go "
 

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Kpi’s can vary on the role you are in but if your a run of the mill job coach it will revolve around the amount of people you can get into work, not how many people you can breach which will disappoint many here.


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Hmmm...

I'm happy you're in here sharing info from the other side of things - which I don't possess, because I only know this system from the other side - but there's a bit of a tone thing happening here, suggesting that you're reading something into the general tenor of this thread. So, instead of giving sideways glances whenever you post, perhaps you could state, in relatively clear terms, what your position is (not your job; your stance, your politics) on this issue? Do you think the dole is too low; do you think the jobless are bludgers?

Huge problem with this board; people wanting to be taken seriously without showing their hand. Leads to people talking past each other, people being oblique, meaning getting obscured. Show your hand a little mate. Speak plainly.
 

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Don't be a smartarse because i quite enjoy your silliness.
Jobs are jobs and, today, we import 150,000+ backpackers to do the ones that young kids won't take up.
That's a fact.
I'm fully expecting a humorous smack-down via some obscure gif that you find, which i will enjoy immensely.
You campaigner.
Do me a favour; could you post a single one of those jobs; say, one of the abattoir positions you were talking about, one which you think is eminently gettable.
 

Craven Morehead

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Name the jobs?
What, each individual position?
Are you disputing that we give visa's to 150,000 international backpackers annually to fulfill a need?
A need that young unemployed Aussies refuse to consider because, it's all too hard.
I did post a link to this earlier.
I really, really hope we have a huge recession so these spoon-fed, mother-hugging, lazy s**ts are forced into the work-place.


Do me a favour; could you post a single one of those jobs; say, one of the abattoir positions you were talking about, one which you think is eminently gettable.
What, and put up with your pathetic excuses again?

If you can't get a job in an abattoir, as a fruit picker, as a fencer, as a stationhand, as a general labourer...it goes on and on and on...well, you simply don't want a job enough.
And people can sit in their hovel and whinge and bitch all they like...but the jobs are out there if they are prepared to do it tough for a while, travel and WORK.
 

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You want Australia to go into recession because you don't like the unwaged? I bet you'd call yourself a patriot too.
 

Craven Morehead

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Yes. Each individual position.

You made the statement and presented it as fact. Back it up.
I did in the link I quoted and in the follow up to your fellow crier.
There are plenty of jobs...that's why we need to continuously give special visas to 150,000+ international backpackers every year.
They mightn't be jobs that every one likes, or suits their skill set, or their 'supposed' educational standard...but they beat the hell out of sitting on your arse and complaining how 'life is doing you wrong' and it's all the Government's fault.
And, in most cases, if you show a bit of initiative and work ethic, they will lead to something better.
You want Australia to go into recession because you don't like the unwaged? I bet you'd call yourself a patriot too.
Oh Gough, you sitting there in your quaint little Adelaide book-shop and railing against the world's injustices as you take another toke on a bong is what makes me wake up in the morning.
Just to laugh at you.
 

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What, each individual position?
Are you disputing that we give visa's to 150,000 international backpackers annually to fulfill a need?
A need that young unemployed Aussies refuse to consider because, it's all too hard.
I did post a link to this earlier.
I really, really hope we have a huge recession so these spoon-fed, mother-hugging, lazy s**ts are forced into the work-place.




What, and put up with your pathetic excuses again?

If you can't get a job in an abattoir, as a fruit picker, as a fencer, as a stationhand, as a general labourer...it goes on and on and on...well, you simply don't want a job enough.
And people can sit in their hovel and whinge and bitch all they like...but the jobs are out there if they are prepared to do it tough for a while, travel and WORK.
No, actually, so I can sit down and work out exactly how much it might cost to move somewhere in order to work one of those jobs, if the transition from urban to rural - or whatever - is possible on the Dole, with or without any of its offshoot payments.

After all, it's better to say something with evidence to support it, no?

Give me a single job, available at any given location, advertised right now.
 
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QuietB

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What, each individual position?
Are you disputing that we give visa's to 150,000 international backpackers annually to fulfill a need?
A need that young unemployed Aussies refuse to consider because, it's all too hard.
I did post a link to this earlier.
I really, really hope we have a huge recession so these spoon-fed, mother-hugging, lazy s**ts are forced into the work-place.
Why would anyone want those s**tty jobs when you get paid $150k a year to dig coal out of someone’s farm?

And the whole time I’m doing it I can be pleased that I am doing gods work.

fu** fruit picking
 

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Currently Seek lists 750 farming sector jobs, of which 125 are farm labour roles, this is hardly a large number of jobs.

A selection of those roles.

Livestock and Cropping farm hand

It says join a team of three. The Job Role includes, but not limited, livestock and cropping management, manual labour, fencing repairs, seeding and harvest roles and heavy machinery and truck operation.

Successful applicant must have a HC Licence or above.


Vineyard Hand

Tasks include retic repair, weed spraying, vehicle pre checks, equipment Operation (Tractors, Loaders, Mini Excavators).

Horticulture/Agriculture Certificate


General farm hand

Primarily responsible for operating different machinery including header, boom spray, seeder and truck.

Must have two years experience.


Farm hand

Tasks include milking (4 yr-old, rapid exit herringbone dairy with cup-removers), general stock work. feeding cattle (front end loader experience useful) and fencing.

no accommodation is provided.

 

Craven Morehead

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aaaand...if we took away the 150,000 backpackers currently being employed because Aussies are too lazy, or can produce a million excuses NOT to do this work?
How many vacancies would there be then?

SEEK?
Hardly the go to place for positions vacant in the rural sector.
 

Craven Morehead

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Why would anyone want those s**tty jobs when you get paid $150k a year to dig coal out of someone’s farm?

And the whole time I’m doing it I can be pleased that I am doing gods work.

fu** fruit picking
The drug and alcohol testing regime would preclude most from the mining game.
That, and having to leave mummy's tender caress.
 

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Geez, fruit picking isn't that bloody bad. I've picked tomatoes, blueberries and kiwi fruits in the past and enjoyed every one of them - working outside, fresh air, constant exercise, hot foreigners...

Admittedly, I did all of these in my late teens - I imagine it would be far less enjoyable now in my mid 30s. Still, I'd rather that than to live on the dole and have to deal with the useless campaigners at Centrelink.

I also grew up in bum-fu** Victoria, so these farms were all within a bike ride's distance and I never had to relocate.
 

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aaaand...if we took away the 150,000 backpackers currently being employed because Aussies are too lazy, or can produce a million excuses NOT to do this work?
How many vacancies would there be then?

SEEK?
Hardly the go to place for positions vacant in the rural sector.
Isn't a lot of that seasonal work? Or is that not the case?

where would one look for work in rural areas?
 

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Norm Smith Medallist
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Currently Seek lists 750 farming sector jobs, of which 125 are farm labour roles, this is hardly a large number of jobs.

A selection of those roles.

Livestock and Cropping farm hand

It says join a team of three. The Job Role includes, but not limited, livestock and cropping management, manual labour, fencing repairs, seeding and harvest roles and heavy machinery and truck operation.

Successful applicant must have a HC Licence or above.


Vineyard Hand

Tasks include retic repair, weed spraying, vehicle pre checks, equipment Operation (Tractors, Loaders, Mini Excavators).

Horticulture/Agriculture Certificate


General farm hand

Primarily responsible for operating different machinery including header, boom spray, seeder and truck.

Must have two years experience.


Farm hand

Tasks include milking (4 yr-old, rapid exit herringbone dairy with cup-removers), general stock work. feeding cattle (front end loader experience useful) and fencing.

no accommodation is provided.


Wait. You're saying former engine plant workers from Ford, or former accountants, project managers and customer service staff at NAB, Telstra and Coles Myer can't just walk into a farming job? This is crazy talk!
 

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