Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

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You could within a day get job in the construction industry .
That's the only industry I understand.
I'm guessing there are others with a national skills shortage too.


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sorted is for example an unemployed clerk and you could get him/her a job today?

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I suppose you better back up then mate.

You shoudn't get the impression that I am a conservative because I put time in to pointing out the idiocy of the contemporary left.

I am a libertarian. Not the conservative cartoon version of the concept, but the actual real thing, and you cannot have liberty without meaningful social responsibility.
 

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I suppose you better back up then mate.

You shoudn't get the impression that I am a conservative because I point out the idiocy of the contemporary left.

I am a libertarian. Not the conservative cartoon version of the concept, but the actual real thing, and you cannot have liberty without meaningful social responsibility.
I don't buy into the victim mentality at all.
For one he doesn't sound desperate and appears to be in a sound financial. Position going by what he revealed.
Two he seems more then capable of walking right into a semi skilled job outside his qualifications. Until he gets the job he wants

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If I was a betting man which I'm not because I enjoy other vices too much I think this government will raise Newstart but with even stricter compliance and most of it will be quarantined on a basics card.
 

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I don't buy into the victim mentality at all.
For one he doesn't sound desperate and appears to be in a sound financial. Position going by what he revealed.
Two he seems more then capable of walking right into a semi skilled job outside his qualifications. Until he gets the job he wants

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Why would someone who has worked enough to own their home put up with incessant crap for 340 bucks a week?
 

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Why would someone who has worked enough to own their home put up with incessant crap for 340 bucks a week?
Yea it doesn't make sense.

My personal view is a big fu** you to the government.
I don't want to be reliant for anything.

From housing, sickness, unemployment, retirement.

I make my own safety net.


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Yea it doesn't make sense.

My personal view is a big **** you to the government.
I don't want to be reliant for anything.

From housing, sickness, unemployment, retirement.

Well, maybe we are more alike than we think in that case.

However, we can't ever diminish government whilst our neighbor is existing in relative poverty.

I make my own safety net.
Good, but you do it on their terms and with their hand in your pocket. If they're going to rob me I would rather they give it to the folks down the road who are struggling by comparison, rather than stuff their own pockets and the pockets of their crony mates.
 

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Well, maybe we are more alike than we think in that case.

However, we can't ever diminish government whilst our neighbor is existing in relative poverty.



Good, but you do it on their terms and with their hand in your pocket. If they're going to rob me I would rather they give it to the folks down the road who are struggling by comparison, rather than stuff their own pockets and the pockets of their crony mates.
Yea it's on their terms. But hey it's the lesser evil, and provides our children with clean drinking water, education and medicine.

Not much I can do other then go remote and isolate on self sufficiency.

Which is not my preferred option of lifestyle.

It's better to carve out your own tiny piece of the pie, your own way then live complaining and victim to the system.








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Yea it's on their terms. But hey it's the lesser evil, and provides our children with clean drinking water, education and medicine.

Not much I can do other then go remote and isolate on self sufficiency.

Which is not my preferred option of lifestyle.

It's better to carve out your own tiny piece of the pie, your own way then live complaining and victim to the system.
Smart choices. Detach yourself from the corporate-political machine as much as possible, however, if there's going to be a cash cow, wouldn't you prefer to see it go to the battlers rather than most of the crap these campaigners spend it on? This is no other choice for me. If they're going to rob me then at least give it to the truly needy, and whilst you're at it start robbing your own ****ing mates at the same time Liberal Party pricks.
 

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Smart choices. Detach yourself from the corporate-political machine as much as possible, however, if there's going to be a cash cow, wouldn't you prefer to see it go to the battlers rather than most of the crap these campaigners spend it on? This is no other choice for me. If they're going to rob me then at least give it to the truly needy, and whilst you're at it start robbing your own ****ing mates at the same time Liberal Party pricks.
I think a measure of a good society is how they treat their vulnerable.
I'm all for supporting those that are incapable of supporting themselves
But Australia has a problem with too many self proclaimed victims and tall Poppy syndrome with no personal accountability living in a privileged society.

And to support that group , I have mentioned above, give them all the tools they need , like counseling to better themselves.

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I just researched it out if curiosity.

You are not eligible if:
Single your house equity is more then
$253, 750
Couple your house equity is more then
#380,500

Non house owner
If assets exceed
Single 456,750
Couples 583,500


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Those limits apply to assets outside of the principal home.
 

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It's so frustrating I've been seriously considering registering for disability just because it will be less bureaucracy to get some cash out of the system.
Same system (assets test etc) applies for getting newstart as for getting DSP. The extra thing for the DSP is you need to satisfy the impairment test. http://guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/1/1/i/10 So it involves doctors, specialists etc. There are minimum time limits on how long you have seen a particular doctor before Centrelink will accept their assessments. Then you need to have an ESAT (employment services assessment) to determine the hours per week that you can work. I think it's 8 hours or less for DSP. There are also distinctions between temporary and permanent disabilities. The list of requirements goes on and on. There are NFP's out there that can assist with DSP claims. It's a rabbit hole that you can get lost in especially if you don't know the law.

edit. here is a link to NSW legal aid which gives a brief overview of claiming DSP. https://www.legalaid.nsw.gov.au/publications/factsheets-and-resources/disability-support-pension-pamphlet
 
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Are you sure
This attachment states assets.
It doesn't stipulate outside your homeView attachment 697714

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Page 2 of the pdf -
What’s not assessed as an asset by
Centrelink?
You might currently exceed the assets cut-off
limits, however it’s possible you could arrange
your finances to pass the assets test. That’s
because there are a number of key assets
which are not assessed. They are:
1. Your home… and renovations you make
to it.
 

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sorted is for example an unemployed clerk and you could get him/her a job today?

sorted, P.M. Royal Flush immediately.
Looks like I'm taking a casual job for $26.45 an hour - 7 minutes drive from home instead of 3 hour daily commute I used to do. Will pay for my red wine and Optus Sport while I find a better paying job.

Centrelink and the job agency they signed me up to have been absolutely useless. As I said, my Newstart application was rejected without explanation, but why exclude me from access to the job agency? It seems it's an admission that the job agency adds no value in finding work for people but is just an outsourced layer of bureaucracy that enforces the pointless requirement for people to apply for 22 jobs per month to qualify for Newstart.
 

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Does anyone here actually know many living on Newstart because they're too lazy to get a job?

I've never met anyone with that disposition other than dealers.
Known a few - known a few more people whove just burnt out and spent a year or two recharging - then taken off again.

I never quite understand this right wing insistence on every single person needing to work.

I run a business - i get people in when i have overflow - one of them is a dead set dole bludger - hes f}#^*%#} useless.

I get him when im desperate, someone hasnt rocked up and i need a warm bod to feed a cable while im pulling the other end.

Anything more than that is beyond him - he doesnt have enough brainpower to metaphorically light a candle.

Seriously if left alone and presented with two options to do off his own initiative - one being a good option and one being a dead set idiotic idea that will cost you more time - he will more than likely take the latter.

I throw him a bit of work because i like the guy and hes had a rough trot in life thats killed any ambition confidence or drive.

But hes my dead set last choice - if an unknown is available through a labor hire place then ill take my chances on the unknown bloke.

Who the f%** do you think is going to employ a bloke like that full time righties?

Hes a handbrake not a help.

If he wants to sit on the rock and roll and be broke all his life - who even cares.
 

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Known a few - known a few more people whove just burnt out and spent a year or two recharging - then taken off again.

I never quite understand this right wing insistence on every single person needing to work.

I run a business - i get people in when i have overflow - one of them is a dead set dole bludger - hes f}#^*%#} useless.

I get him when im desperate, someone hasnt rocked up and i need a warm bod to feed a cable while im pulling the other end.

Anything more than that is beyond him - he doesnt have enough brainpower to metaphorically light a candle.

Seriously if left alone and presented with two options to do off his own initiative - one being a good option and one being a dead set idiotic idea that will cost you more time - he will more than likely take the latter.

I throw him a bit of work because i like the guy and hes had a rough trot in life thats killed any ambition confidence or drive.

But hes my dead set last choice - if an unknown is available through a labor hire place then ill take my chances on the unknown bloke.

Who the f%** do you think is going to employ a bloke like that full time righties?

Hes a handbrake not a help.

If he wants to sit on the rock and roll and be broke all his life - who even cares.
That's the trick for me.

In any group of humans above a certain size, you're going to have a genuine bottom 1% set of people. These people are unlikely to obtain sufficient skills or be sufficiently capable of self improvement, or aren't even going to want it. You can drag them along kicking and screaming, but they don't internalise it; like a lot of people, they just want to be left alone.

Do you a) force them to work for the dole, sending them along to work for charities where they might very well intimidate, steal, or just altogether be a waste of space and time for the people they're working with and for (one of the fellows I did WFTD with brought in a goon sack with him, hidden by the freezer bag he kept it in. People in charge just ignored it, because why would you confront someone who would bring and hide a goon sack?) and decrease their productivity b) leave them to their own devices and allow the businesses you're forcing them into to be far more productive in their absence and providing genuine options for those who legitimately want work (because the people who genuinely want a job, surprise surprise, will be active and will want to spend their time doing something productive) or do you c) let them ******* starve by providing them no welfare?

The question isn't 'how do we incentivise those without jobs to find them', because there is barely anyone at all who wants to be on the dole and do nothing else. The question is, how do we deal with the fact that there will always be a part of the population that is both unable and unwilling to work for their living? Do we let them starve? Do we force them to do what we want, building elaborate and devious measures to ensure that their lives are miserable, and in so doing simply torture the s**t out of the other jobless in order to catch them out? How do you deal with that 1%, in a civilised way?
 

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Does anyone here actually know many living on Newstart because they're too lazy to get a job?

I've never met anyone with that disposition other than dealers.
Living in Perth never met anyone like that but out in the country there is definitely people in my neighbourhood that I don't think have had any job in years and I'd be surprised if they were ever looking.

It's a ****ed way of existing though, imo overall nationwide it would be a very small % of people that would prefer it just to avoid doing a bit of work.

Can you even get a slab of VB for $40 anymore?
 

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Living in Perth never met anyone like that but out in the country there is definitely people in my neighbourhood that I don't think have had any job in years and I'd be surprised if they were ever looking.

It's a ****ed way of existing though, imo overall nationwide it would be a very small % of people that would prefer it just to avoid doing a bit of work.


Can you even get a slab of VB for $40 anymore?
That's why they move out to the bush though.
Rent is cheap, but the kids can still 'go to school'.
When they can be f’ed in dressing them and providing breakfast and lunch , and I'll take the rest of the benefits, (along with my 'remote' status), THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
The community will do that instead.
We are far enough away from the nearest Centrelink office so I don't have to apply for jobs like you city dickheads.
 

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That's why they move out to the bush though.
Rent is cheap, but the kids can still 'go to school'.
When they can be ****** in dressing them and providing breakfast and lunch , and I'll take the rest of the benefits, (along with my 'remote' status), THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
The community will do that instead.
We are far enough away from the nearest Centrelink office so I don't have to apply for jobs like you city dickheads.
Yep, they move out here for those reasons plus plenty of state housing available. Definitely been an influx of shady looking characters in recent years but thankfully crime still seems to remain pretty low. One thing I'll say that whilst a lot of the indigenous long time locals don't seem to work they aren't usually the ones causing any trouble either and tend to look after their children. It's white blow ins I think are on drugs, stealing stuff and sending their kids to school without any lunches.
 
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