Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

donkeypunchd

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Might be more believable if there was something in the picture to show it was actually sent on 11 Jun and wasn't sent as evidence of the appt he claims he didn't know about. If he was telling the truth, it would be easily fixed with centrelink and he could have shared better evidence.

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You’ve obviously never dealt with Centrelink. An incompetent, feckless, vindictive organisation if ever there was one. The recent scandal concerning robodebt (the method of calculating such debts is considered confidential information by Centrelink) is illustrative.

My wife was hounded for nearly two years by those b@stards over such an alleged robodebt. Her ‘agent’ was unhelpful, refused to correspond in writing as she demanded (to prevent her words being twisted), continued to shift the narrative and explanation for why the debt had been issued in the first place, lied about debt recovery mechanisms employed by Centrelink, and despite being advised that her debt was on hold pending resolution of the issue she got calls from debt collection agencies demanding payment of the ‘monies owed’. In the end they got a lawyer involved to assist in settling a debt that ended up being settled for less than $100 (one hundred).

Such a waste of money and time for all involved. Thankfully my wife retained all her receipts and correspondence relating to payments she received (a scholarship programme) so they couldn’t shaft her and were eventually forced to withdraw most of their claim. Their initial calculation was in the order of $9,000 so it’s easy to see that people who can’t defend their interests like my wife are in trouble when dealing with such a corrupt and malignant outfit.
 

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donkeypunchd

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Looks like I'm taking a casual job for $26.45 an hour - 7 minutes drive from home instead of 3 hour daily commute I used to do. Will pay for my red wine and Optus Sport while I find a better paying job.

Centrelink and the job agency they signed me up to have been absolutely useless. As I said, my Newstart application was rejected without explanation, but why exclude me from access to the job agency? It seems it's an admission that the job agency adds no value in finding work for people but is just an outsourced layer of bureaucracy that enforces the pointless requirement for people to apply for 22 jobs per month to qualify for Newstart.
The ‘job agencies’ are another rort. At my previous workplace we hired a fellow with a criminal record that included a stint behind bars. He got the job by looking online himself, despite being placed with the agency post release (which had been six months prior to starting). Despite having SFA to do with him getting work, the agency’s engagement with him increased after he got the job, they started hounding him to sign paperwork stating that they had succeeded in placing him in employment- stat padding, in other words. He finally agreed to sign the paperwork after they offered him a $75 gift card for Woolworths, which was delivered to him in person by his agent at our workplace- of course she travelled during work hours using an official vehicle, which was no doubt backcharged.

This is not an uncommon scenario, confirmed for me by another colleague who had previously worked with such an agency and had himself made such gift card deliveries in an attempt to pad his own stats. If the government is serious about cutting waste in the public sector this is the first place I’d be looking, though to me these agencies exist as a mechanism of control of the unemployed, and are likely to be spared any real cuts.
 

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The ‘job agencies’ are another rort. At my previous workplace we hired a fellow with a criminal record that included a stint behind bars. He got the job by looking online himself, despite being placed with the agency post release (which had been six months prior to starting). Despite having SFA to do with him getting work, the agency’s engagement with him increased after he got the job, they started hounding him to sign paperwork stating that they had succeeded in placing him in employment- stat padding, in other words. He finally agreed to sign the paperwork after they offered him a $75 gift card for Woolworths, which was delivered to him in person by his agent at our workplace- of course she travelled during work hours using an official vehicle, which was no doubt backcharged.

This is not an uncommon scenario, confirmed for me by another colleague who had previously worked with such an agency and had himself made such gift card deliveries in an attempt to pad his own stats. If the government is serious about cutting waste in the public sector this is the first place I’d be looking, though to me these agencies exist as a mechanism of control of the unemployed, and are likely to be spared any real cuts.
Great watch

 

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You are required to apply for 22 jobs per month. I reckon there was 8 I was qualified for. So the the day before the period end I applied for any random 16 jobs that I was totally unqualified for. A waste of everyone's time.
How many were for a latex salesman?
 

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IMO we don't want to. Everyone saw the 2014 budget, everyone knew what a cluster **** it was yet next 2 elections status quo X2.

Australia (majority) is happy where it is to a point. And while not the same everywhere the country just doesn't want change.
Hurtz 2 admit but we are such a conservative nation
The highly likely coming recession will be an interesting spanner into that works.
 

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Yep, that both sides of government have always been quite happy with.
Vast majority of deliberate worsening is done by Liberal Governments. They don't support welfare (or public healthcare) so they do it quietly, outsourcing and feign ignorance at the intentional results.
 
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Probably crappy asian marijuana, goon, and the occasional 2min noodles.

I'd need to find a way to survive 365 days of free time. I'd go nuts sober with nothing to do. There'd be no point saving $40, it'll never amount to anything. I'd have to spend it on substances until I can get the age pension
 

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Known a few - known a few more people whove just burnt out and spent a year or two recharging - then taken off again.

I never quite understand this right wing insistence on every single person needing to work.

I run a business - i get people in when i have overflow - one of them is a dead set dole bludger - hes f}#^*%#} useless.

I get him when im desperate, someone hasnt rocked up and i need a warm bod to feed a cable while im pulling the other end.

Anything more than that is beyond him - he doesnt have enough brainpower to metaphorically light a candle.

Seriously if left alone and presented with two options to do off his own initiative - one being a good option and one being a dead set idiotic idea that will cost you more time - he will more than likely take the latter.

I throw him a bit of work because i like the guy and hes had a rough trot in life thats killed any ambition confidence or drive.

But hes my dead set last choice - if an unknown is available through a labor hire place then ill take my chances on the unknown bloke.

Who the f%** do you think is going to employ a bloke like that full time righties?

Hes a handbrake not a help.

If he wants to sit on the rock and roll and be broke all his life - who even cares.
Simple - the Australian right are taking their cues from the US/UK right, which have both been influenced by the prejudices of Calvinism/Puritan Protestanism towards non-workers.

You’ve obviously never dealt with Centrelink. An incompetent, feckless, vindictive organisation if ever there was one. The recent scandal concerning robodebt (the method of calculating such debts is considered confidential information by Centrelink) is illustrative.

My wife was hounded for nearly two years by those b@stards over such an alleged robodebt. Her ‘agent’ was unhelpful, refused to correspond in writing as she demanded (to prevent her words being twisted), continued to shift the narrative and explanation for why the debt had been issued in the first place, lied about debt recovery mechanisms employed by Centrelink, and despite being advised that her debt was on hold pending resolution of the issue she got calls from debt collection agencies demanding payment of the ‘monies owed’. In the end they got a lawyer involved to assist in settling a debt that ended up being settled for less than $100 (one hundred).

Such a waste of money and time for all involved. Thankfully my wife retained all her receipts and correspondence relating to payments she received (a scholarship programme) so they couldn’t shaft her and were eventually forced to withdraw most of their claim. Their initial calculation was in the order of $9,000 so it’s easy to see that people who can’t defend their interests like my wife are in trouble when dealing with such a corrupt and malignant outfit.
The irritating thing about robo-debt was that it effectively pinged people who worked part-time while collecting Centrelink. Full-time welfare recipients, meanwhile, were not pinged very much if at all. If anything the whole scheme represented a disincentive to work in practice.

Great watch

If the LNP were serious about creating a surplus, they would abolish Jobactive and stop private companies from sucking at the public teat.
 

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The ‘job agencies’ are another rort. At my previous workplace we hired a fellow with a criminal record that included a stint behind bars. He got the job by looking online himself, despite being placed with the agency post release (which had been six months prior to starting). Despite having SFA to do with him getting work, the agency’s engagement with him increased after he got the job, they started hounding him to sign paperwork stating that they had succeeded in placing him in employment- stat padding, in other words. He finally agreed to sign the paperwork after they offered him a $75 gift card for Woolworths, which was delivered to him in person by his agent at our workplace- of course she travelled during work hours using an official vehicle, which was no doubt backcharged.

This is not an uncommon scenario, confirmed for me by another colleague who had previously worked with such an agency and had himself made such gift card deliveries in an attempt to pad his own stats. If the government is serious about cutting waste in the public sector this is the first place I’d be looking, though to me these agencies exist as a mechanism of control of the unemployed, and are likely to be spared any real cuts.
It's definitely a huge rort between the government and the job agencies.

In addition, I believe some of the major international consultancy companies have picked up government contracts for aboriginal affairs such as housing. Multi-hundred million dollar deals for no proven benefit.
 

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It's definitely a huge rort between the government and the job agencies.

In addition, I believe some of the major international consultancy companies have picked up government contracts for aboriginal affairs such as housing. Multi-hundred million dollar deals for no proven benefit.
The encroaching of transnational corporations with no real regard for the national interest onto traditionally government functions should concern us all.

It will increase the expense of running said functions with likely inferior service, for one thing. Secondly, the national interest and those of corporations are often very different.
 

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Today I rang Centrelink to ask after the progress of my Newstart claim. It's been over 2 months now and not a cent. I get a recorded message. "All of our operators are busy. Goodbye". There was no 'Would you like a callback'? or 'Approximate wait time is x minutes. Would you like to hold'? It was goodbye and it hung up. Unbe-*******-lievable!
 

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Today I rang Centrelink to ask after the progress of my Newstart claim. It's been over 2 months now and not a cent. I get a recorded message. "All of our operators are busy. Goodbye". There was no 'Would you like a callback'? or 'Approximate wait time is x minutes. Would you like to hold'? It was goodbye and it hung up. Unbe-*******-lievable!
Call up the complaints line and they'll put you through onto someone, have received a similar message in the past sorting out my studies, even at 830am, it's pathetic, all designed to delaying resolving whatever issue at hand so people give up.

I'd just go in to your local branch at opening time, bring your relevant documentation and demand to speak to a supervisor. 2+ months waiting on a claim is BS.
 

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Today I rang Centrelink to ask after the progress of my Newstart claim. It's been over 2 months now and not a cent. I get a recorded message. "All of our operators are busy. Goodbye". There was no 'Would you like a callback'? or 'Approximate wait time is x minutes. Would you like to hold'? It was goodbye and it hung up. Unbe-*******-lievable!
Ring the debt line. You will get to speak to a human then they can put you through to another human.
 

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Ring the debt line. You will get to speak to a human then they can put you through to another human.
That’s what ringing Centrelink is like now.

Just getting through on the phone to them is now enough of a challenge, a percentage of people will throw there hands in the air and give up.

I suspect that’s the point though, because that percentage of people giving up is saving the Libs a buck.
 

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That’s what ringing Centrelink is like now.

Just getting through on the phone to them is now enough of a challenge, a percentage of people will throw there hands in the air and give up.

I suspect that’s the point though, because that percentage of people giving up is saving the Libs a buck.
Correct

Delays, cuts to customer service forcing large queues/waiting times to speak to someone, "paperwork errors", they all add up and the masses giving up is the desired affect from the overlords.
 

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Correct

Delays, cuts to customer service forcing large queues/waiting times to speak to someone, "paperwork errors", they all add up and the masses giving up is the desired affect from the overlords.
Wasnt that long back, tens of millions a year trying to ring Centrelink literally couldn’t even get to the switchboard and just got the ‘user busy’ treatment on there phone, because the system was that completely s**t.
 

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We already knew what the Libs stand for, but this is the ALP that supported a raise of Newstart at the election.

What a disgrace.
They said they'd conduct a review and when pressed further Shorten said he wouldn't be having a review to see if they should REDUCE payments.
 
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