Society/Culture If you were on Newstart, how would you spend your $40 a day?

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The ALP are a disgrace.
They played the darned if they do, darned if they don't game on the AA Bill, but today, a day where they could've made a stand to show the working class and the like that they have their best interests at heart, simply gave up and showed they're headed towards LNP Lite.

Albanese has a lot to do to win the respect of rusted on Labor voters imo, would imagine if this continues then the Greens vote will get stronger and the LNP will be handed the keys until about 2028.
 

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They played the darned if they do, darned if they don't game on the AA Bill, but today, a day where they could've made a stand to show the working class and the like that they have their best interests at heart, simply gave up and showed they're headed towards LNP Lite.

Albanese has a lot to do to win the respect of rusted on Labor voters imo, would imagine if this continues then the Greens vote will get stronger and the LNP will be handed the keys until about 2028.
I gave up on this country years ago mate.
 

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Wasnt that long back, tens of millions a year trying to ring Centrelink literally couldn’t even get to the switchboard and just got the ‘user busy’ treatment on there phone, because the system was that completely s**t.
Sorted copped that today, so it's still being used and it's a disgrace
 

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I'd just like to think of Australia as the United States of Australia these days
I don’t want to sound like one of those offended revisionist lefties, but John Howard seriously warped the values of Australian society.

We are a meaner, more selfish people.

And there is no going back now I’m afraid.
 

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We already knew what the Libs stand for, but this is the ALP that supported a raise of Newstart at the election.

What a disgrace.
Looks like they learnt all the wrong reasons from the ALP's loss.

Speculating about raising Newstart had nothing to do with that. The big-target strategy, the Adani mess, plus the ALP supposedly being too close with the Greens were the most relevant factors.
 

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I'd just like to think of Australia as the United States of Australia these days
We're America-lite.

We're not the US, otherwise there wouldn't be Medicare/Newstart, but we've been going in the wrong direction for quite a while.

Much of our population is functionally illiterate, our state schools provide declining and mediocre educational outcomes relative to other OECD countries, our governments have become increasingly unproductive since Howard's day (echoing a lighter form of legislative gridlock in the US). Plus we import too much trash culture from the US (like our own form of Big Brother).

maybe you should travel overseas to appreciate how ******* good it is here.
Hell, I've been to some holes in my time. I don't want Australia to turn into that; hence why we complain. Vigiliance is important for patriots and I am, after all, a patriot.
 
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Looks like they learnt all the wrong reasons from the ALP's loss.

Speculating about raising Newstart had nothing to do with that. The big-target strategy, the Adani mess, plus the ALP supposedly being too close with the Greens were the most relevant factors.
Funny thing is the Greens are the only ones standing up for the battler currently
 

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Funny thing is the Greens are the only ones standing up for the battler currently
Yeah but their image is such that they're absolute poison to the swinging centre.

Look, even many ALP voters think they're a bit fringe.

They really need to work on their image, but di Natale doesn't seem interested.
 

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maybe you should travel overseas to appreciate how ******* good it is here.
I agree with that sentiment but there are major issues that both main parties are complicit in either not addressing or underhandedly promoting.

All the large corporations have been allowed to lay off local Australian workers and outsource functions to cheap resources overseas. To some extent this is unavoidable.

But both main parties have also allowed record numbers of permanent immigrants and many more on skills shortage visas. Walk into any back office for a large company and you will see predominantly Indians. Even government roles are being resourced by Indian companies who fudge the skills shortage test in order to import and supply cheap labour. The irony/joke is that the market has become so flooded that often hundreds of locally qualified people are applying for roles that are deemed 'skilled shortage'. Wages increases (apart from government jobs) have stagnated.

As for financial assistance and help in finding work - I'm familiar with the Swiss system. It is efficient and it treats people like human beings. It supports people respectfully in their time when they are out of work. On the other hand, Australian Centrelink is a disgrace. The system is impenetrable and very frustrating. I am a calm, intelligent person but there have been times I have been shouting at the computer screen or automated phone menu.
 

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They really need to work on their image, but di Natale doesn't seem interested.
I think they need to invest in some PR to be honest...

All of the major parties could work on their image imo for various reasons, but munny wins at the moment and further to the right we as a country shift
 

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I agree with that sentiment but there are major issues that both main parties are complicit in either not addressing or underhandedly promoting.

All the large corporations have been allowed to lay off local Australian workers and outsource functions to cheap resources overseas. To some extent this is unavoidable.

But both main parties have also allowed record numbers of permanent immigrants and many more on skills shortage visas. Walk into any back office for a large company and you will see predominantly Indians. Even government roles are being resourced by Indian companies who fudge the skills shortage test in order to import and supply cheap labour. The irony/joke is that the market has become so flooded that often hundreds of locally qualified people are applying for roles that are deemed 'skilled shortage'. Wages increases (apart from government jobs) have stagnated.

As for financial assistance and help in finding work - I'm familiar with the Swiss system. It is efficient and it treats people like human beings. It supports people respectfully in their time when they are out of work. On the other hand, Australian Centrelink is a disgrace. The system is impenetrable and very frustrating. I am a calm, intelligent person but there have been times I have been shouting at the computer screen or automated phone menu.
All the Indians I have talked to have done some bulls**t degree in IT and bingo, permanent residence visa. Go into any servo, jump into a taxi, Indians and now truck driving. Parcel post all Indians. 2 truck driving schools in Perth have been busted for taking bribes, the f***ers can't drive so they drop $10,000 into the instructors lap.

Before the usual turn up and call me a racist, the Indians I know are all from rich families and seem like decent hard working conservative voters.
 

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All the Indians I have talked to have done some bulls**t degree in IT and bingo, permanent residence visa. Go into any servo, jump into a taxi, Indians and now truck driving. Parcel post all Indians. 2 truck driving schools in Perth have been busted for taking bribes, the ******s can't drive so they drop $10,000 into the instructors lap.

Before the usual turn up and call me a racist, the Indians I know are all from rich families and seem like decent hard working conservative voters.
I don't think 'all the Indians I've talked to' stands up as any reasonable research, you sound like you don't like Indians as you're stereotyping all Indians with individual cases.Poor post.
 

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All the Indians I have talked to have done some bulls**t degree in IT and bingo, permanent residence visa. Go into any servo, jump into a taxi, Indians and now truck driving. Parcel post all Indians. 2 truck driving schools in Perth have been busted for taking bribes, the ******s can't drive so they drop $10,000 into the instructors lap.

Before the usual turn up and call me a racist, the Indians I know are all from rich families and seem like decent hard working conservative voters.
Yeah I was not having a crack at Indians at all. They integrate really well in that they are generally hard working, family oriented, love their cricket etc. Almost to every individual I have found them really good people. But as a group they are certainly exploiting our slack (or complicit) immigration rules.
 

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Predictable and pathetic stuff.

Makes you wonder exactly what it would take for an Australian gov to raise Newstart.

Christ even the rodent said it’s too low.

But nah, let’s give more to those poor perpetually hard done by in there own mind pensioners.

 

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Predictable and pathetic stuff.

Makes you wonder exactly what it would take for an Australian gov to raise Newstart.

Christ even the rodent said it’s too low.

But nah, let’s give more to those poor perpetually hard done by in there own mind pensioners.

Agree with boosting newstart it's just too low but what the hell are you on about with complaining over fixing a situation where pensioners are obviously not getting a fair deal here? I'm still only in my 30s but we are all gonna get old one day mate..
 

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Welfare will continue to get destroyed by a deliberate Liberal party, and an appeasing Labor party.

As our social saftey net is eroded, watch as private prisons/gaols increase. Run by companies from the US and UK.

We've already put the hard yards in demonising 'dole bludgers'. It's just an accepted narrative now.
Who will be surprised to hear about a 'dole bludger' committing a crime? 'They deserve to be locked up'...

Unemployment is a cash cow.

Huge labour market.
Think that there's already been a case of 'slave labour' in a prison here. Have to find the article.
 

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Remember what happened to Duncan Storrar?
Came across as the #goodbloke to Australia for all of about five minutes, before the dries dug up a bunch of dirt saying he was a crook and abusive dad and most importantly, didn’t contribute to the tax base?

That bloke?
 
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