I'll Kill You -Goodwin article

[CaptainDangerfield]

The Advertiser will i expect pay much more attention to the Crow players behavior off field than they have done in the past & i'm afraid our club/players has to shoulder part of the responsibility for that

The Ms Nicolle Cornes snippet in yesterdays SM was a pretty good example of what is to come, the headline alongside the photo of Stiffy was a bloody disgrace & hopefully one day the complete truth of this saga will be brought out into the public arena.

Did you expect anything less from our Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. I could say some derogatory comment that questions her path to Adelaide's journalistic upper echelon, but I won't. I just wonder if some of our more credible press people are embarrassed by the voice these "celebrity by association" hacks are given. Love it/loathe it/pffft.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Yeah I don't know about this expectation that top class sportsmen are supposed to show an example. Footballers are paid to play well and to represent their clubs in a positive light. It is the responsibility to represent their club that requires them to behave in a responsible manner when they are on public view. But where does the expectation come from that they are part of a drive to improve the behaviour of the community? They signed up to play football not be educators.

Goodwin and Ricciuto and the rest of them were stupid for acting like idiots in the public eye. They've done some slight damage to the image of the AFC but the issue of public morality doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned.

If a tennis player who is responsible only to themselves were to behave badly, let's say being involved in drug taking or driving dangerously then they deserve the same punishments as the rest of us. On top of that they would almost certainly lose sponsorship dollars. However what right has the community to demand of them that they be role models? That would be nice and people such as Pat Rafter get kudos for their exemplary behaviour but their is no rule that requires it as far as I can see.

Of course if a football club has signed up for sponsorship dollars to promote say an anti smoking message or to stop drink driving then it becomes the players responsibility to play their part. But as far as being responsible to set an example simply because you are a public figure I don't accept that's something the community can demand.

Stop it Toots, you're talking sense.

 

[noddy]

Goodwin and Ricciuto and the rest of them were stupid for acting like idiots in the public eye. They've done some slight damage to the image of the AFC but the issue of public morality doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned.

Not really on about the general publicToots but that's another issue.

I was pointing out an obligation by our leadership group to show our younger brigade of players how to act when not in a football environment.

& that is not to go on a all-night binge of boozing & following up the next day early in the morning by continuing on with that binge.

Whether we like it or not most youngsters are impressionable & will take notice of what their leaders are doing both on & off the field of play.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

... at least he wasn't run over by a taxi

 

[noddy]

... at least he wasn't run over by a taxi

Did it hurt much ??

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Did it hurt much ??

Ask Beau Waters

 

[macca23]

Stop it Toots, you're talking sense.

If Toots was hung for talking sense, they'd be hanging an innocent man!!

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Not really on about the general publicToots but that's another issue.
I was pointing out an obligation by our leadership group to show our younger brigade of players how to act when not in a football environment.

& that is not to go on a all-night binge of boozing & following up the next day early in the morning by continuing on with that binge.

Whether we like it or not most youngsters are impressionable & will take notice of what their leaders are doing both on & off the field of play.

Fair enough and I agree with what you're saying about showing an example to the younger players in your squad. IMO that's where Goodwin and Ricciuto have stuffed up. That and getting into a confrontation with the media.

 

[outback jack]

Fair enough and I agree with what you're saying about showing an example to the younger players in your squad. IMO that's where Goodwin and Ricciuto have stuffed up. That and getting into a confrontation with the media.

seem to be posting alot on the adelaide board lately toots, so much rubbish too its a bit of a shame. If anything something like the goodwin incident would bring a club together. How can you think any different? Obviously you haven’t played team sport much. You assume cause the media puts it in a bad light that it automatically would be the same for the younger players. And in goodwin and roo they are two leaders that you could only dream at having at the power. The difference between them is that warren tredrea likes to be the spotlight for his own personal reasons, unlike our team orientated players who rightly expect a bit of quiet time to themselves instead of stalkerish type behavior from a journalist. Just one of the burdens of being the clear number 1 club in SA i suppose.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Stop it Toots, you're talking sense.

Hope you had a good Christmas Chokie.

 

[brucetiki]

Rebekah Devlin a nice girl maybe, but she damn well has it in for the crows.
Hi everyone, been hanging around BF for some time reading your comments and as a full on Crows supporter enjoying what you guys have to say.
Now back to Rebekah. let me give everyone a little insight into what she is about. I have read quite a few articles that she has written about the Crows all of which are very opinionated and anti. She is a self-confessed Essendon wanna be Port Power supporter, lives in the Port and hangs around the Crows Tavern for any grimey little stories on the Crows. So I was not surprised she was the one that wrote the story. Every chance she gets she sticks the knife in.
You know I don't condone what Simon did for one moment,and yes he is a public figure but its because of who he is that he gets so much attention. These players do lots for charity so they certainly put back into the community, but I suppose those are pretty boring stories. Anyway thats my opinion for what its worth.

Hear hear, couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that someone resposible for the SOCIAL pages was responsible for writing the FRONT PAGE article shows that this was nothing more than a disgraceful act of defamation by the Advertiser, and they know that they won't be held to account because Media Watch isn't on at the moment.

Devlin has always had it in for the Crows (her pathetic little 'anti-Carey' campaign only the top of the list), this article only proves why she should stick to the social pages.

The death threat comments show how petty and pathetic the articles were, and should the club (or Goodwin) want to take defamation action over the 'death threat' comments, then I'd be 100% supportive of this action.

Questions also have to be asked as to why The Adver were crawling around the hotel. Obviously desperate for a story (and the Christmas Day edition of the Sunday Mail is only further proof with another two-page spread on questionable facts early on in that paper).

The Advertiser/Sunday Mail have lost the plot in the past week (not just with the Crows, but in report writing in general), and there should be some resignations as a result of what's been going on. No wonder Murdoch relocated - he's probably ashamed of what his first paper's become as well.

As for the behaviour of the players. It's a bit hard to say because the club would have hidden some of the truth and exaggerated as well to cover their tracks.

I think Graham Cornes wrote an excellent article on Saturday in relation to alcohol bans. Why not? The stuff tastes like petrol anyway, and the players would be better off not touching the stuff during their careers anyway.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

(and the Christmas Day edition of the Sunday Mail is only further proof with another two-page spread on questionable facts early on in that paper).

What was the thing on in the Mail? I must have missed it (easily done).

 

[arrowman]

Good to see the Advertiser living up to its reputation as the worst rag in Australia.

I was in Perth last week. You're wrong. Believe it or not.

 

[macca23]

I was in Perth last week. You're wrong. Believe it or not.

Very debatable.

Heath Black gets charged with assault after hospitalizing some chap when p*ssed at the races - gets about 2/3 of a column or about a sixth of a page buried away in the rag - see today's assembled offering of rubbish otherwise known as the Advertiser.

Simon Goodwin doesn't get charged with assault, after a minor altercation - and believe me, compared to Heath Black's it was very minor - and that gets given 4 pages including the full front page, plus pictorial editorial, in this rag of rags!!

It's hard to believe there's a shoddier paper anywhere in Australia, let alone in Perth.

 

[*PAF]

Very debatable.

Heath Black gets charged with assault after hospitalizing some chap when p*ssed at the races - gets about 2/3 of a column or about a sixth of a page buried away in the rag - see today's assembled offering of rubbish otherwise known as the Advertiser.

Simon Goodwin doesn't get charged with assault, after a minor altercation - and believe me, compared to Heath Black's it was very minor - and that gets given 4 pages including the full front page, plus pictorial editorial, in this rag of rags!!

It's hard to believe there's a shoddier paper anywhere in Australia, let alone in Perth.

If he had snotted a journalist trying to take photos of himself and team-mates getting ********ed, AND they actually had photos to prove it, I bet you he would have got as much (if not more) coverage as Goodwin got in the Advertiser though.

 

[macca23]

If he had snotted a journalist trying to take photos of himself and team-mates getting ********ed, AND they actually had photos to prove it, I bet you he would have got as much (if not more) coverage as Goodwin got in the Advertiser though.

Rubbish.

The Advertiser's so called revealing photos were photos of nothing more than the normal activities of young guys sylarking when having a drink - nothing in those at all.

As for Goodwin, it was a short-lived head-lock, not a hospital job like Black's, and there were no such photos of that.

The Advertiser's was a disgraceful beat-up and back-fired on them badly. They came out of this 100 times worse than Goodwin, and made a laughing stock of their paper in the media industry.

I know from a journalist within the Advertiser that several of their journos were severely embarrassed to be asociated with the paper at the time as they regarded it as over the top exaggerated gutter journalism done in a vindictive fashion.

 

[*PAF]

Rubbish.

The Advertiser's so called revealing photos were photos of nothing more than the normal activities of young guys sylarking when having a drink - nothing in those at all.

As for Goodwin, it was a short-lived head-lock, not a hospital job like Black's, and there were no such photos of that.

The Advertiser's was a disgraceful beat-up and back-fired on them badly. They came out of this 100 times worse than Goodwin, and made a laughing stock of their paper in the media industry.

I know from a journalist within the Advertiser that several of their journos were severely embarrassed to be asociated with the paper at the time as they regarded it as over the top exaggerated gutter journalism done in a vindictive fashion.

I have never said it was good journalism, just very opportunistic.
Same thing would happen in any other city given the same circumstances.

I'm sure if we dig deep enough we'll be able to find other examples of it.

 

[The Crows Truth]

I was in Perth last week. You're wrong. Believe it or not.

I wouldnt think so

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

start digging then!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Rubbish.

The Advertiser's so called revealing photos were photos of nothing more than the normal activities of young guys sylarking when having a drink - nothing in those at all.

As for Goodwin, it was a short-lived head-lock, not a hospital job like Black's, and there were no such photos of that.

The Advertiser's was a disgraceful beat-up and back-fired on them badly. They came out of this 100 times worse than Goodwin, and made a laughing stock of their paper in the media industry.

I know from a journalist within the Advertiser that several of their journos were severely embarrassed to be asociated with the paper at the time as they regarded it as over the top exaggerated gutter journalism done in a vindictive fashion.

But has it though Mac? What makes you think it is a laughing stock within the industry?

 

[jmorg1]

Same thing would happen in any other city given the same circumstances.

Rubbish. I didn't see a full four page technicoloured spread on the Milne/Montagna assault case, the Neitz altercation with the taxi driver and casino security or any other similar incidents in Melbourne.

 

[Crow-mo]

Rubbish. I didn't see a full four page technicoloured spread on the Milne/Montagna assault case, the Neitz altercation with the taxi driver and casino security or any other similar incidents in Melbourne.

don't take away the man's delusions of insight, at least leave him that.

 

[noddy]

I have never said it was good journalism, just very opportunistic.
Same thing would happen in any other city given the same circumstances.

I'm sure if we dig deep enough we'll be able to find other examples of it.

Come off it PAF the Advertiser made a complete fool of themselves with their so-called show all/tell all 4 page spread & i very much doubt if you could come up with something similar from any regional paper let alone a major capital tabloid like the Tser, bloody disgraceful journalism in my humble opinion.

Still does not excuse the behavior of our leadership group though.

 

[arrowman]

...It's hard to believe there's a shoddier paper anywhere in Australia, let alone in Perth.

Check it out some time. Seriously - I bought a West Australian expecting it to be about as decent a read as the Advertiser (ie, a couple of minutes) and I was surprised to find it was actually worse - shallower, more parochial, etc. Of course I can't judge if they'd go in for the same crap sensationalist stuff that the Addy has in the Goodwin case but there's every indication that they would.

At the very least, the Addy is not alone at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Come off it PAF the Advertiser made a complete fool of themselves with their so-called show all/tell all 4 page spread & i very much doubt if you could come up with something similar from any regional paper let alone a major capital tabloid like the Tser, bloody disgraceful journalism in my humble opinion.

Still does not excuse the behavior of our leadership group though.

As per my question to Macca, where's the evidence to show the Advertiser has made a fool of themselves. You, I and others on here think their handling of the incident ( if you can call it an incident ) was a disgrace but I don't see too many in the media being critical. Apart from David Wildy, I think most are just towing the party line, which in itself is a real shame.