Impact of the new interchange rule?

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Players are spending less time on the field than last year with the sub.

The big difference is that you can't come off early in a qtr now because you might only get 1 rest and so have to stay on for almost a whole quarter.

Maybe there's been a philosophical change and coaches have realised that stoppage based football rarely wins you the flag.
 
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Maybe there's been a philosophical change and coaches have realised that stoppage based football rarely wins you the flag.
Tell that to Ross Lyon and those supporting his style. There is a reason your coach has four premierships under his belt, and 'Ross the Boss' has three losing grand finals and eight failed finals campaigns.
 

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The big thing I noticed after watching about half the games over the weekend was fewer stoppages. Probably part interchange rule, part OOB interpretation but stoppages around the ground (as measured by hit-outs minus goals - I couldn't find straight stoppage stats) dropped this round to 50.9 per game on average from 60.2 over all of last year. While there was only about six less total stoppages there were also three more goals scored per game than last year's average, accounting for the discrepancy (it's nice to see the stats backing it up my hunch). There was a lot less congestion around the ball as a result.
 

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I think it will take about half a season for everyone to adjust, but fitter sides will certainly benefit more. It should lead to higher scoring games, and a longer kicking game too. Teams that manage their players better throughout the game will be in a stronger position come the final quarter, re. Sydney & Geelong. I think it'll make it harder for teams that are behind to catch up, so I think that upsets will be more unlikely.
 

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It needs to be a lot lower like 20 or 30 rotations. The more fatigued players are the more the game will open up, It just makes sense. But one part of the game that use to draw the crowds in were the big snoozers at each end with their one on one battles unfortunately the games has lost that part of game. But it was great to see less stoppages this weekend. Ohhh by the way what ever happened to the dropping the ball rule during a tackle


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But then people would complain that the skills aren't good enough when their tired and would call for teams to be cut from the AFL.
And why exactly does it have to open up? The game was fine the way it was. Not every single game needs to be a shootout with both teams kicking a hundred
 

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I think it'll make it harder for teams that are behind to catch up, so I think that upsets will be more unlikely.
Interesting stat - excluding the four floggings (WCE dft BL, GC dft Ess, Syd dft Col, WB def Freo), all the close games were won by the team behind at 3/4 time.
 

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Interesting stat - excluding the four floggings (WCE dft BL, GC dft Ess, Syd dft Col, WB def Freo), all the close games were won by the team behind at 3/4 time.
Those teams held a half time lead, except Melbourne (I think) and ultimately won. I think that there will be games with come backs like Hawthorn in the 3rd quarter, but a half-time lead will prove to be invaluable, as teams can relax in the third.
 

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But then people would complain that the skills aren't good enough when their tired and would call for teams to be cut from the AFL.
And why exactly does it have to open up? The game was fine the way it was. Not every single game needs to be a shootout with both teams kicking a hundred
You're kidding yourself if you thought the game was fine over the last 5 years. The issue you have is the die hard fans will tell you there is nothing wrong whilst the average fan was getting bored and confused over the rolling maul.

Last year on the fox footy show round table Mick Malthouse was bragging about how he was watching the NHL and how they set up their defensive structure through unlimited interchanges so he copied it, which lead his Collingwood team to the prelim final and nearly toppled the cats which in turn all the other coaches started to follow suit and that's when the interchange helped clogged up the game. Anywho I was also watching Mike and mike earlier this year and they had an ice hockey expert on after the all star game saying how good was it to see 3 on 3 with heaps of scoring, he went on to say the fans are leaving in their thousands due to defensive structures unlimited interchange and not enough scoring.

Anyway the point of my story is the NHL is having the same problem the AFL is having by not having enough scoring and when there is fatigue the game opens up more.
 

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You're kidding yourself if you thought the game was fine over the last 5 years. The issue you have is the die hard fans will tell you there is nothing wrong whilst the average fan was getting bored and confused over the rolling maul.

Last year on the fox footy show round table Mick Malthouse was bragging about how he was watching the NHL and how they set up their defensive structure through unlimited interchanges so he copied it, which lead his Collingwood team to the prelim final and nearly toppled the cats which in turn all the other coaches started to follow suit and that's when the interchange helped clogged up the game. Anywho I was also watching Mike and mike earlier this year and they had an ice hockey expert on after the all star game saying how good was it to see 3 on 3 with heaps of scoring, he went on to say the fans are leaving in their thousands due to defensive structures unlimited interchange and not enough scoring.

Anyway the point of my story is the NHL is having the same problem the AFL is having by not having enough scoring and when there is fatigue the game opens up more.
But what about all the complaining from fans that there isn't enough talent for 18 teams? Having more interchanges keeps players fresh so they can perform better
 

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But what about all the complaining from fans that there isn't enough talent for 18 teams? Having more interchanges keeps players fresh so they can perform better
There is always people who complain for the sake of complaining but this isn't about talent it's about how the game looks and creating a more then attractive product which is easy to follow. unfortunately over the last 5 to 10 years the game started to leave its roots as a one on one (contest within a contest) game where anybody doesn't matter shape or size could play to a midfielders only game where the main objective is to stop the the opposition from scoring and the main thing that has aided this has been the massive increase in the interchange rotations.
 

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Here's a good image from last year I made a thread about guys. Got the averages of importance stats to give us a gauge where the game is. I didn't realize the average interchange mark was so high. Jesus. 90 should be a good improvement. The game was quite enjoyable to watch in 2005/2006.


 

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By round 10 some jerk coach will have created a negative tactic
By "jerk" coach you mean "intelligent" yeah?

People get mad at coaches for negative winning strategies as if they'd rather their team lose more often but play "pretty" football.

Any coach who prioritises aestheticly pleasing football over winning should be sacked immediately.
 

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By "jerk" coach you mean "intelligent" yeah?

People get mad at coaches for negative winning strategies as if they'd rather their team lose more often but play "pretty" football.

Any coach who prioritises aestheticly pleasing football over winning should be sacked immediately.
Agreed. Nothing looks as good as a winning side on grand final day.
 

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By "jerk" coach you mean "intelligent" yeah?

People get mad at coaches for negative winning strategies as if they'd rather their team lose more often but play "pretty" football.

Any coach who prioritises aestheticly pleasing football over winning should be sacked immediately.
As a lions supporter, it's all I have to forward to.
 

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Didn't the game open up in the second half tonight. Reduced interchange brings fatigue which brings pressure which in turn made the game open up and become free flowing
Can just as easily lead to tired players playing sloppy football, and greater injury risk through excessive fatigue. Not really enough of a sample size of the "new format" with the current generation of players to judge either way.
 

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This week is the first week that teems will be backing up from a restricted interchange match the week prior.
Could be some interesting outcomes.
Personally, I'm not expecting the scoring frenzy of round 1 to be repeated.
 

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I think the average score should be around 100.
The years when I look back and think of when football was good to watch tend to be the higher scoring ones. 2000 I remember being very good, and the Geelong era of dominance from 2007-08 produced some very entertaining footy.

Then obviously the late 70s to early 90s were even more high scoring. 20 minute quarters initially meant shorter quarters but now they stop the clock for more things than they did when they initially brought in the 20 minute quarters so it's probably about the same now
 

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Personally, I'm not expecting the scoring frenzy of round 1 to be repeated.
Scoring frenzy, WTF ?
If there was I missed it.
When teams get close to an average of 112 a team, let me know about this scoring frenzy.

I think the average score should be around 100.
The years when I look back and think of when football was good to watch tend to be the higher scoring ones. 2000 I remember being very good, and the Geelong era of dominance from 2007-08 produced some very entertaining footy.

Then obviously the late 70s to early 90s were even more high scoring.
I can remember when Geelong had Gary Ablett playing and Blight coach it being the highest scoring team across a season.
I think they scored around 3000 points across 22 games around maybe 1992. It was the other extreme of the Ross Lyon coached teams. Those sides were all about scoring by Geelong but backline was nothing special and as a result 4 grand finals from 1989 to 1995 and no premierships.
 

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Think Melbourne's comeback and ability to stay ahead was partlydue to having more ic in reserve in the last quarter. Also think coaches are going to keep their young players on the bench in the last quarter as much as possible until they get a tank. Got a feeling oliver was on the bench on lot in the 4th
 

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Any coach who prioritises aestheticly pleasing football over winning should be sacked immediately.
Which is why when rules changes are being discussed, the opinion of coaches should be ignored.

All they care about is winning. They have no interest in making the game enjoyable and interesting to watch.
 

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The big thing I noticed after watching about half the games over the weekend was fewer stoppages. Probably part interchange rule, part OOB interpretation but stoppages around the ground (as measured by hit-outs minus goals - I couldn't find straight stoppage stats) dropped this round to 50.9 per game on average from 60.2 over all of last year. While there was only about six less total stoppages there were also three more goals scored per game than last year's average, accounting for the discrepancy (it's nice to see the stats backing it up my hunch). There was a lot less congestion around the ball as a result.
Lets wait a few more games though. I seem to recall high scoring in the first 2 rounds last year.
 

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Can just as easily lead to tired players playing sloppy football, and greater injury risk through excessive fatigue. Not really enough of a sample size of the "new format" with the current generation of players to judge either way.
We played the game for over 100 years with less then 40 interchanges and it was fine. All I'm saying is footy was more enjoyable to watch when it is free flowing and end to end. Coaches should not have a say on the state of the game as it's the clubs who pay their wages not the AFL all they care about is being employed
 
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